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I ask that we do not argue here or point fingers. Just check the appropriate choice and explain why.
I chose the last one as I believe we are commanded to establish sound doctrine while showing love for one another by not quarreling over words on non-critical issues. Let what you've written stand for other to decide, for what good does it do, if you have laid out the truth but it gets rejected because of how you treated others getting it across.
Besides; “to their own master, servants stand or fall. And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand.”
Trust God to work in their lives.
WmST
your questions are not covering what the main points are in scriptures,;LET GOD BE FOUND TRUE ;in all things and all men liars,
Pierre
Hi William,
We are not to argue with someone we feel that God would call a fool, I know that for sure. In all things we are to be Spirit led, even in our discussions and we are to wait upon the Lord to bring the understanding. Sometimes that means to just agree to wait on the Lord to bring agreement and cutoff the conversation that is turning into a cymbal clanging argument. At times you just need to walk away peacefully and turn it over to the Lord. We all need to realize that we don't see things as clear as we will someday which should keep us from leaning on our own understanding.I know it is hard to walk away when another person is following you all over with their bitterness and falsely accusing you. That would be when you just have nothing more to do with them, imo. Lots of verses about that in Proverbs. Learn from the relationship and let it make you better (not bitter) and wiser with the people that do have wisdom enough to know there is a lot to learn yet and they could be wrong or they could help someone with the understanding that they have been freely given.
Prov 10:18 He who conceals hatred has lying lips, And he who spreads slander is a fool.
Prov 10:23 Doing wickedness is like sport to a fool, And so is wisdom to a man of understanding.
Prov 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes, But a wise man is he who listens to counsel.
Prov 12:16 A fool's anger is known at once, But a prudent man conceals dishonor.
Prov 13:16 Every prudent man acts with knowledge, But a fool displays folly.
Prov 14:7 Leave the presence of a fool, Or you will not discern words of knowledge.
Prov 14:16 A wise man is cautious and turns away from evil, But a fool is arrogant and careless.
Prov 17:7 Excellent speech is not fitting for a fool, Much less are lying lips to a prince.
Prov 18:2 A fool does not delight in understanding, But only in revealing his own mind.
Prov 18:7 A fool's mouth is his ruin, And his lips are the snare of his soul.
Prov 20:3 Keeping away from strife is an honor for a man, But any fool will quarrel.
Prov 23:9 Do not speak in the hearing of a fool, For he will despise the wisdom of your words.
Prov 26:4 Do not answer a fool according to his folly, Or you will also be like him.
Prov 26:5 Answer a fool as his folly deserves, That he not be wise in his own eyes.
Prov 27:3 A stone is heavy and the sand weighty, But the provocation of a fool is heavier than both of them.
Prov 27:22 Though you pound a fool in a mortar with a pestle along with crushed grain, Yet his foolishness will not depart from him.
Prov 29:20 Do you see a man who is hasty in his words ? There is more hope for a fool than for him.
So, William, the point, discern if you are addressing a fool or one who demonstrates understanding and humility. You would handle each one differently. One you walk away from, the other you discuss with and learn from as to your weakness and then sharpen one another. You, William are no fool but you are very careful with what you say and you demonstrate discernment.
I usually don't vote in polls unless one choice is worded exactly like I could 100% agree with, but there is my understanding from scripture anyway.
Love to you Bro,
KathiKathi
Quote I know it is hard to walk away when another person is following you all over with their bitterness this is not true ,but can you prove all things you present ? no, and this is your problem not anyone else,
if you could prove things I would be the first to accept the true teaching,I love truth of God,
this site is a Christian site not of false teachings but of truth,
Pierre
Pierre,
Obviously it hasn't happened to you yet. I didn't write my post to point fingers, just shared an observation.Seeking Truth,
I favor the third option you give but even then once the conversation has become fruitless it is best to drop it.
Quote (Lightenup @ July 25 2011,15:56) Pierre,
Obviously it hasn't happened to you yet. I didn't write my post to point fingers, just shared an observation.
Kathiyes it did a while ago but it stoped
Pierre
Thanks Kathi,
I started this poll out of a desire to determine if I was out of line by refusing to carry on arguments. I really do believe it is wrong to argue endlessly on non-essential issues, but others feel its lazy, cowardly, lacking integrity, etc. so I wanted to see if there are any valid arguments to doing so.Good point on fools, I always liked the saying “Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.”
Love you Sis
Good quote William! I would totally agree that it is very wise not to carry on most arguments. Although, I have seen people come around to agreeing with another's view when the right reasoning is put in front of them. They would be the wise and understanding person and not the fool though. No use arguing with a fool.
Love to you too Bro,
KathiSo long as people are led astray on this forum and all has become flesh then you can argue and argue or praise and praise and its nothing, meaningless gabble. Just a waste of time – egocentrism self seeking garbage.
Seeking Truth,
Learning to determine what is and what is not a 'non-essential issue” is part of seeking the truth.
Lightenup,July wrote:[/quote]
Clouds and wind, and rain there is none, Is one boasting in a false gift.Greetings ….. Discorse is healthy as long as each side of an argument begs attention and both participants maintain an open mind and not attempt to force their will or beliefs on one another…
Quote (princess @ July 25 2011,10:07) Lightenup,July wrote:[/quote]
Clouds and wind, and rain there is none, Is one boasting in a false gift.
If you want to quote me, Princess, all you have to do is push the little 'quote' button at the top of the post. I just did that to your post here as an example and it works quite nicely
Quote (Lightenup @ July 26 2011,04:45) Quote (princess @ July 25 2011,10:07) Quote (Lightenup @ July 25 2011,08:56)
Clouds and wind, and rain there is none, Is one boasting in a false gift.
If you want to quote me, Princess, all you have to do is push the little 'quote' button at the top of the post. I just did that to your post here as an example and it works quite nicely
seems you understood the post and its meaning, that is the most important. quite simple really.Quote (theodorej @ July 26 2011,09:24) Greetings ….. Discorse is healthy as long as each side of an argument begs attention and both participants maintain an open mind and not attempt to force their will or beliefs on one another…
theoI agree but then is it not possible to be united then separation is an obligation
Pierre
Quote (kerwin @ July 25 2011,23:23) Seeking Truth, Learning to determine what is and what is not a 'non-essential issue” is part of seeking the truth.
kerwinZec 4:10 “Who despises the day of small things? Men will rejoice when they see the plumb line in the hand of Zerubbabel.
Mt 10:42 And if anyone gives even a cup of cold water to one of these little ones because he is my disciple, I tell you the truth, he will certainly not lose his reward.”
Mt 18:5 “And whoever welcomes a little child like this in my name welcomes me
Lk 7:47 Therefore, I tell you, her many sins have been forgiven—for she loved much. But he who has been forgiven little loves little.”
Lk 16:10 “Whoever can be trusted with very little can also be trusted with much, and whoever is dishonest with very little will also be dishonest with much.
WHAT IS ESSENTIAL ? KERWIN.
Pierre
Here William,
Another verse which should be figured into all the 'discussions' here:1 Pet 3:8To sum up, all of you be harmonious, sympathetic, brotherly, kindhearted, and humble in spirit; 9not returning evil for evil or insult for insult, but giving a blessing instead; for you were called for the very purpose that you might inherit a blessing.
Blessings,
KathiQuote (Lightenup @ July 26 2011,13:13) Here William,
Another verse which should be figured into all the 'discussions' here:1 Pet 3:8To sum up, all of you be harmonious, sympathetic, brotherly, kindhearted, and humble in spirit; 9not returning evil for evil or insult for insult, but giving a blessing instead; for you were called for the very purpose that you might inherit a blessing.
Blessings,
Kathi
Kathithe same apostles also says this ;
2Pe 1:3 His divine power has given us everything we need for life and godliness through our knowledge of him who called us by his own glory and goodness.2Pe 1:12 So I will always remind you of these things, even though you know them and are firmly established in the truth you now have.
2Pe 1:13 I think it is right to refresh your memory as long as I live in the tent of this body,
2Pe 1:14 because I know that I will soon put it aside, as our Lord Jesus Christ has made clear to me.
2Pe 1:15 And I will make every effort to see that after my departure you will always be able to remember these things.
2Pe 1:16 We did not follow cleverly invented stories when we told you about the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we were eyewitnesses of his majesty.
2Pe 1:17 For he received honor and glory from God the Father when the voice came to him from the Majestic Glory, saying, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.”2Pe 2:1 But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves.
2Pe 2:2 Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.
2Pe 2:3 In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
2Pe 2:4 For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them into gloomy dungeons to be held for judgment;it s amazing what scriptures can teach us ,so that we do not need others in this world to help us to be driven ashtray.with there own element of interpretation
Pierre
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