When Jesus became the Anointed of God

[NickHassan]

Quote (terraricca @ April 02 2012,17:44)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 02 2012,21:24) Hi T, So you understand that what Jesus said was from God? N Jesus came down from heaven he said that do you believe him

Hi T,
Certainly the human vessel was used to say that.
Did the postman write to you too?

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 03 2012,04:00)

Quote (terraricca @ April 02 2012,17:44) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 02 2012,21:24) Hi T, So you understand that what Jesus said was from God? N Jesus came down from heaven he said that do you believe him Hi T, Certainly the human vessel was used to say that. Did the postman write to you too?

N

so the son of God is just the mail man .well,well,

wait until you meet him if you will have that opportunity ,

no respect for the head of the church,no respect and honor to the one that as given his live to save you Hmmmm…..?

[GeneBalthrop]

Nick………This is what is wrong with Preexistences , they put Jesus on a Pestle and look to Him, and do not realize that Without GOD'S Spirit (IN) him he could not have accomplished any of the thing he did. They don't even believe Jesus own word either, the Son of Man could do “NOTHING” of HIMSELF They have eyes to see but see not, and ears to hear but hear not, they have altogether went backward and have become unprofitable.

Peace and Love to you and yours……………………………………………………..gene

[NickHassan]

Hi T,
Just as natural men wanted to worship Paul and Barnabus because God worked through him so the same with the Lord.
Jn 5.19
“..the Son can do NOTHING of himself”

as with his brothers
Jn 15.5
“..for apart from me you can do NOTHING”

The flesh profits NOTHING [Jn6.63]

All is of God by His Spirit

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 03 2012,13:15)

Hi T, Just as natural men wanted to worship Paul and Barnabus because God worked through him so the same with the Lord. Jn 5.19 “..the Son can do NOTHING of himself” as with his brothers Jn 15.5 “..for apart from me you can do NOTHING” The flesh profits NOTHING [Jn6.63] All is of God by His Spirit

N

I can see it is your convenient cut out in scriptures to make up your own meaning to make it fit your personal view,

is that the way we do wen we have a PURE HEART ?

[NickHassan]

Hi T,
Do you not believe scripture?
What do you believe?

[kerwin]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 02 2012,09:24)

Hi T, So you understand that what Jesus said was from God?

Nick,

Just as John's baptism came from God so did the Anointed.

As you state God's Word does come from God.

[terraricca]

Quote (kerwin @ April 03 2012,15:10)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 02 2012,09:24) Hi T, So you understand that what Jesus said was from God? Nick, Just as John's baptism came from God so did the Anointed. As you state God's Word does come from God.

K

did John the Baptist ever said that he came down from the father ???????????

[Ed J]

Quote (terraricca @ April 03 2012,08:35)

K did John the Baptist ever said that he came down from the father ???????????

Hi Pierre,

Luke 20:4 The baptism of John, was it from heaven, or of men?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[kerwin]

Quote (terraricca @ April 03 2012,03:35)

Quote (kerwin @ April 03 2012,15:10) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 02 2012,09:24) Hi T, So you understand that what Jesus said was from God? Nick, Just as John's baptism came from God so did the Anointed. As you state God's Word does come from God. K did John the Baptist ever said that he came down from the father ???????????

Pierre,

What is meant when Jesus asked if John's Baptism came from heaven?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ April 01 2012,20:07)

Hi Mike, I have, from cover to cover, and it says no such thing?

Are you reading your Bible with TODAY'S understanding of “god” – with the understanding that “god” refers SOLELY to the one Omniscient Creator of All Things?

Or are you reading your Bible with the understanding of the way the term was used when the writers wrote the scriptures?

Here's a test:
Judges 13:22 “We are doomed to die!” he said to his wife. “We have seen a god!”

Ed, do you understand that this angel of God was also a god himself? If you do not, then you are not reading the Bible correctly – from the standpoint and understanding of those who wrote it.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (kerwin @ April 01 2012,20:52)

Mike, I argue that Jesus is not an angel; one of those which you choose to call gods.

Then you argue with scripture, not me………….on both counts.

Angels are spirit messengers of God, of which Jesus is definitely one. (Rev 1:1)

And angels are called gods in Biblical times because in those days, they did not understand the word as most of us do today. They did not consider the word “god” to refer ONLY to the Omniscient Creator of All Things. Instead, it referred to many different spirit beings, and even human beings.

So when I “choose” to call them gods, it is because I choose to understand the scriptures from the perspective of those who wrote them down, and to call a spade what THEY have called a spade – regardless of how politically incorrect it might be in the 21st century.

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
So the opinions of the ignorant [as in your verse] are sufficient without witnesses?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (kerwin @ April 01 2012,21:05)

All those words state is that the Anointed had glory with God. They do not say the Messiah was there.

Isn't the Messiah the “Anointed”?  

Quote (kerwin @ April 01 2012,21:05)

You are reading into them that the Messiah was there as it is not written.

If the Anointed was there, then the Messiah was there, for they are one and the same.

Quote (kerwin @ April 01 2012,21:05)

Jesus asked to be given the glory which infers he did not have it yet.

Jesus asks to be given the glory he once had with God before the world began.  That's what the words “I HAD” mean, Kerwin.  It means Jesus himself HAD this glory alongside God before the world began.

Kerwin, in your zeal to write your own scriptures, you give the impression that you can't understand simple language skills. When else would someway say, Give me what I HAD, and you would think they were talking about something they haven't yet had?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 01 2012,21:08)

Hi MB You say “If the PERSON Jesus said he had glory with God before the world began, then the PERSON Jesus had glory with God before the world began.” Moving towards the catholic three PERSONS in God idea?

Not at all. Do you deny that Jesus was a person, Nick?

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
Does scripture say he is a person?
If it does I agree.

Jesus was anointed by God and God called him His Son at the Jordan but you prefer an earlier unwritten date?

Why are God's words insufficient for you?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (terraricca @ April 01 2012,21:18)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 02 2012,20:36) Hi T, Do you believe jn7 16-18? N Jn 7:16 Jesus answered, “My teaching is not my own. It comes from him who sent me.

All that is needed is the first six words that I bolded. If, as Nick says, the spirit of Christ was God, then the spirit of christ would not be saying, My teaching is not my own.

If the teaching IS God's, and the spirit of christ IS God, then how can the teaching not be his own?

Nick has many flaws such as this in his doctrine. Even the other non-preexisters don't buy into his scam.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (terraricca @ April 01 2012,21:14)

Quote (Ed J @ April 02 2012,20:35) Hi Pierre, Do you believe as Mike does?    …that Jesus is(?) 'a god'? God bless Ed J edj Yes i do ,even Moses was a god

That is scripturally correct, Pierre. And that is what people like you and I strive to be – scripturally correct……………..despite how the words are understood in today's society.

I am taught by the written word of God – not by the popular word usage of the 21st century.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 02 2012,10:33)

Nick………This is what is wrong with Preexistences , they put Jesus on a Pestle and look to Him, and do not realize that Without GOD'S Spirit (IN) him he could not have accomplished any of the thing he did.

You're wrong, Gene.  We place Jesus exactly where the scriptures place Jesus.  We do not raise him up to be God Himself, like the Trinitarians.  Nor do we lower him to a man “exactly like the rest of us”, just so we can feel more empowered to accomplish the things he did.

Instead, our Jesus is right in the middle of those two positions – exactly were the scriptures also place him.

We know that God did the miracles through Jesus.  And we know that Jesus was filled by God's Holy Spirit.  But what Nick is trying to claim is that it was the spirit of God who was speaking to God in many scriptures.

Like the one where Jesus said he did not come to do his own will, but the will of He who sent him. Nick says it was the spirit speaking through Jesus saying this.

Now, why would the spirit of God say such a thing, Gene? Why would the spirit of God have a different will than God Himself?

[NickHassan]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 03 2012,10:44)

Quote (terraricca @ April 01 2012,21:18) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 02 2012,20:36) Hi T, Do you believe jn7 16-18? N Jn 7:16 Jesus answered, “My teaching is not my own. It comes from him who sent me. All that is needed is the first six words that I bolded.  If, as Nick says, the spirit of Christ was God, then the spirit of christ would not be saying, My teaching is not my own. If the teaching IS God's, and the spirit of christ IS God, then how can the teaching not be his own?   Nick has many flaws such as this in his doctrine.  Even the other non-preexisters don't buy into his scam.

Hi MB,
Still wrestling with God?

It is sad that you cannot accept the teachings.[jn 7.16]

Certainly the servant Spirit of Christ was sent to speak what God taught him and told him to say.

We too can be taught by the Spirit of truth

[Author]

Posts