When Jesus became the Anointed of God

[GeneBalthrop]

Quote (gadam123 @ May 24 2014,17:48)

Quote (terraricca @ May 23 2014,23:44) gadam the apostles did know through Christ and his mother Mary ,that Jesus Christ was from above and is the son of God but did only speak of what all people could not deny and have seen and so are witness to it ,(what happen at the Jordan river) but Jesus was ordain way before that time long ago ,and received the holy spirit long before the Jordan , Thanks for your response to my post. The birth narratives of Jesus never speak about his anointing but about his conception by the Holy Spirit. Also his son-ship with God is always mentioned as future event in the announcements of angels. I don't see anything past or before creation of these things except in Epistles and John where his pre-existence mentioned indirectly which is being debated here in this forum.

Gadam……….exactly right brother he was mentioned as a son in a future sense . For he “SHALL” be called the Son of the MOST HIGH not that he already was called the son of the MOST HIGH , but “SHALL” be.  

You have that right brother, Jesus was never a SON of God until he became one, even though it was in God's plan from the beginning of creation for It to .

Nick is posting and speaking the truth here , the others are pushing exactly what Satan wants people to believe , that Jesus is not truly a SON OF MAN, that he is different then we are And thereby making it out to be impossible for us poor human being to attain to the same Glory and Honor as he has. A very cleaver plan by Satan to cause us all to not “TRULY” identify with our BROTHER Jesus . He and his followers all work to make Jesus different then we are to cause mankind to think they can not “TRULY” come to the measure and full stature of Christ. Satan hates mankind because of the position God has placed on us all, his followers also hate mankind , believing we are inferior beings, not realizing that mankind is the CROWN JEWELL of all of God's creation.

They neither understand that God has put “ALL THINGS” under the foot of man and that includes Satan also.  

Satan's “DOCTRINE of SEPARATION.” , that makes Jesus different
then we are is preached by all the synagogues of Satan and his children also

I thank God the Father that he has allowed at least a few to see the truth.

Peace and love to you and your Adam……………………gene

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 24 2014,16:43)

Hi MB, Indeed anointing was used by God to establish and empower those chosen for certain works. But the choice and the anointing were separate

The choice IS the real “anointing”, Nick. The smearing on of oil was the symbolic demonstration OF that previous anointing.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 24 2014,18:44)

Hi WU, So the dove did not come down and rest on him? It was just playacting? God does not deceive like men do

Nick,

Do you think the Holy Spirit ALWAYS looks like a dove?

If not, then try to understand that the demonstration at the Jordan was to show MEN that Jesus was endowed with the Holy Spirit.

God didn't need to see a dove land on Jesus.  Jesus didn't need to see a dove land on him.  God made a physical sign for MEN to see – just like when He made the shadow go up the stairs instead of down them.

Not a “deception”, but a sign for human eyes.

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
There is no more powerful anointing than that of the Holy Spirit.
John saw it happen at the Jordan and heard the proclamation of God

[mikeboll64]

Quote (gadam123 @ May 25 2014,00:42)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 25 2014,08:09) Quote (gadam123 @ May 24 2014,00:48) The birth narratives of Jesus never speak about his anointing……. Adam, any scripture that speaks about the CHRIST being born is speaking about God's ANOINTED ONE being born. Those scriptures never speak about the one WHO WILL SOMEDAY BE THE CHRIST being born. He was the Christ (anointed one) before he was ever born on this earth.   So you are in error, because those scriptures DO INDEED speak about Jesus as God's anointed one – long BEFORE his baptism. Hello brother Mike, The scriptures do mention about coming Messiah but they all point towards a future event when Messiah has to be anointed by God refer even angelic announcements they too point towards future when the child will be God's son and Messiah. Love to you….Adam

Read the quote box above again, Adam.  The Hebrew word “messiah”, and the Greek word “christ”, merely mean “anointed one”.

How can God's messiah become anointed, when messiah already MEANS “anointed one”?

The actual “anointing” is the act of “setting apart as special or holy”.  The one who has already been “set apart as special or holy” can later be SHOWN to be anointed by the symbolic smearing or pouring on of oil, grease, or even the Holy Spirit.

The dove landing on Jesus at the Jordan was God's way of showing MANKIND, through the SYMBOLIC action, that the man before them was indeed the one God had already anointed (“set apart as His very own, and sent into the world”.)  John 10:36

The Holy Spirit doesn't ALWAYS look like a dove, Adam.  This symbolic display was planned by God, in a way human beings could see it, for the benefit of human beings.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (terraricca @ May 25 2014,10:48)

WHEN THE AMBASSADOR GOES TO A COUNTRY HE REPRESENT  HIS KING AND SO IT IS WITH CHRIST

That's right Pierre.  And that ambassador doesn't only represent the king, but he also embodies all the power that king has.

If the ambassador makes a deal or a promise, the king is bound to that deal or promise.

If one was to slap that ambassador across the face, it was taken as if the king himself had been slapped across the face.

Jesus came in the power of his King, Jehovah.  Jesus even passed on the role of ambassador to his disciples, and told them, “whatever YOU bind on earth, it will be bound in heaven”.  

[NickHassan]

Hi MB.
You say
“The actual “anointing” is the act of “setting apart as special or holy”.”

But scripture does not say that.
Who is your source?

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
Even when God gives you a sign of the anointing happening and tells you for the first time that this is His Son you will not believe?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 25 2014,12:31)

Hi MB, There is no more powerful anointing than that of the Holy Spirit. John saw it happen at the Jordan and heard the proclamation of God

Yes Nick,

At the Jordan, Jesus received the symbolic pouring out of something on him to SHOW he is the one God had already anointed (set apart as His very own, and sent into the world).

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 25 2014,12:46)

Hi MB. You say “The actual “anointing” is the act of “setting apart as special or holy”.” But scripture does not say that. Who is your source?

Well,

The scholar James Strong was one of the 8 people I linked for you yesterday.

But Mr. Strong didn't come up with this notion out of thin air, Nick. There are many SCRIPTURES that teach about ones who were “anointed” without a single drop of oil, or anything else, being poured on them.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 25 2014,12:49)

Hi MB, Even when God gives you a sign of the anointing happening and tells you for the first time that this is His Son you will not believe?

God's only begotten Son is mentioned in Psalm 2:7, and Proverbs 30:4……… long before Jesus was made flesh and ventured out to the Jordan River.

We also know from Micah 5:2 that the Messiah who was to be sent into the world originated in ancient times……… long before Jesus emptied himself to be made in the likeness of a human being, and headed out to the Jordan. (We later find out that this very same Messiah was indeed the Son of God.)

So I do indeed believe the scriptures, Nick. All of them – not just the ones I hand pick.

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
Indeed he fulfilled prophecy.

The Spirit of Christ is from ancient times

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
Psalm 2 is a prophecy about the end times and the rebellion on earth at the end of the millenium.
All prophetic.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 25 2014,13:02)

Hi MB, Indeed he fulfilled prophecy. The Spirit of Christ is from ancient times

And this “Spirit of Christ” is the PERSON whose origins were from ancient times? This “Spirit of Christ” is the one to come out of Bethlehem as the son of David?

Think harder, Nick.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 25 2014,13:05)

Hi MB, Psalm 2 is a prophecy about the end times and the rebellion on earth at the end of the millenium. All prophetic.

I disagree about that. But what about Proverbs 30? What is your answer to that one?

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
Is the Spirit a person?

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
What do you disagree about in Ps 2?

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
Where is this word PERSON found in the verses you quote
It is a Trinitarian addition.
It helps natural men

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 25 2014,14:27)

Hi MB, Is the Spirit a person?

Whoever came down from heaven, not to do his own will, but to do the will of God, was a person, Nick.

So I ask you the same question you just asked me. What is your answer? If it is “NO”, then “the Spirit” is NOT the one who said the words of John 6:38.

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
You say
“Whoever came down from heaven, not to do his own will, but to do the will of God, was a person, Nick”

Only by the logic of natural men.

But it is not written-not that such matters bother them

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