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Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 24 2014,16:43) Hi MB,
Indeed anointing was used by God to establish and empower those chosen for certain works.
But the choice and the anointing were separate
The choice IS the real “anointing”, Nick. The smearing on of oil was the symbolic demonstration OF that previous anointing.Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 24 2014,18:44) Hi WU,
So the dove did not come down and rest on him?
It was just playacting?God does not deceive like men do
Nick,Do you think the Holy Spirit ALWAYS looks like a dove?
If not, then try to understand that the demonstration at the Jordan was to show MEN that Jesus was endowed with the Holy Spirit.
God didn't need to see a dove land on Jesus. Jesus didn't need to see a dove land on him. God made a physical sign for MEN to see – just like when He made the shadow go up the stairs instead of down them.
Not a “deception”, but a sign for human eyes.
Hi MB,
There is no more powerful anointing than that of the Holy Spirit.
John saw it happen at the Jordan and heard the proclamation of GodQuote (gadam123 @ May 25 2014,00:42) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 25 2014,08:09) Quote (gadam123 @ May 24 2014,00:48) The birth narratives of Jesus never speak about his anointing…….
Adam, any scripture that speaks about the CHRIST being born is speaking about God's ANOINTED ONE being born.Those scriptures never speak about the one WHO WILL SOMEDAY BE THE CHRIST being born.
He was the Christ (anointed one) before he was ever born on this earth.
So you are in error, because those scriptures DO INDEED speak about Jesus as God's anointed one – long BEFORE his baptism.
Hello brother Mike,The scriptures do mention about coming Messiah but they all point towards a future event when Messiah has to be anointed by God refer even angelic announcements they too point towards future when the child will be God's son and Messiah.
Love to you….Adam
Read the quote box above again, Adam. The Hebrew word “messiah”, and the Greek word “christ”, merely mean “anointed one”.How can God's messiah become anointed, when messiah already MEANS “anointed one”?
The actual “anointing” is the act of “setting apart as special or holy”. The one who has already been “set apart as special or holy” can later be SHOWN to be anointed by the symbolic smearing or pouring on of oil, grease, or even the Holy Spirit.
The dove landing on Jesus at the Jordan was God's way of showing MANKIND, through the SYMBOLIC action, that the man before them was indeed the one God had already anointed (“set apart as His very own, and sent into the world”.) John 10:36
The Holy Spirit doesn't ALWAYS look like a dove, Adam. This symbolic display was planned by God, in a way human beings could see it, for the benefit of human beings.
Quote (terraricca @ May 25 2014,10:48) WHEN THE AMBASSADOR GOES TO A COUNTRY HE REPRESENT HIS KING AND SO IT IS WITH CHRIST
That's right Pierre. And that ambassador doesn't only represent the king, but he also embodies all the power that king has.If the ambassador makes a deal or a promise, the king is bound to that deal or promise.
If one was to slap that ambassador across the face, it was taken as if the king himself had been slapped across the face.
Jesus came in the power of his King, Jehovah. Jesus even passed on the role of ambassador to his disciples, and told them, “whatever YOU bind on earth, it will be bound in heaven”.
Hi MB.
You say
“The actual “anointing” is the act of “setting apart as special or holy”.”But scripture does not say that.
Who is your source?Hi MB,
Even when God gives you a sign of the anointing happening and tells you for the first time that this is His Son you will not believe?Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 25 2014,12:31) Hi MB,
There is no more powerful anointing than that of the Holy Spirit.
John saw it happen at the Jordan and heard the proclamation of God
Yes Nick,At the Jordan, Jesus received the symbolic pouring out of something on him to SHOW he is the one God had already anointed (set apart as His very own, and sent into the world).
Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 25 2014,12:46) Hi MB.
You say
“The actual “anointing” is the act of “setting apart as special or holy”.”But scripture does not say that.
Who is your source?
Well,The scholar James Strong was one of the 8 people I linked for you yesterday.
But Mr. Strong didn't come up with this notion out of thin air, Nick. There are many SCRIPTURES that teach about ones who were “anointed” without a single drop of oil, or anything else, being poured on them.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 25 2014,12:49) Hi MB,
Even when God gives you a sign of the anointing happening and tells you for the first time that this is His Son you will not believe?
God's only begotten Son is mentioned in Psalm 2:7, and Proverbs 30:4……… long before Jesus was made flesh and ventured out to the Jordan River.We also know from Micah 5:2 that the Messiah who was to be sent into the world originated in ancient times……… long before Jesus emptied himself to be made in the likeness of a human being, and headed out to the Jordan. (We later find out that this very same Messiah was indeed the Son of God.)
So I do indeed believe the scriptures, Nick. All of them – not just the ones I hand pick.
Hi MB,
Psalm 2 is a prophecy about the end times and the rebellion on earth at the end of the millenium.
All prophetic.Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 25 2014,13:02) Hi MB,
Indeed he fulfilled prophecy.The Spirit of Christ is from ancient times
And this “Spirit of Christ” is the PERSON whose origins were from ancient times? This “Spirit of Christ” is the one to come out of Bethlehem as the son of David?Think harder, Nick.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 25 2014,13:05) Hi MB,
Psalm 2 is a prophecy about the end times and the rebellion on earth at the end of the millenium.
All prophetic.
I disagree about that. But what about Proverbs 30? What is your answer to that one?Hi MB,
Where is this word PERSON found in the verses you quote
It is a Trinitarian addition.
It helps natural menQuote (Nick Hassan @ May 25 2014,14:27) Hi MB,
Is the Spirit a person?
Whoever came down from heaven, not to do his own will, but to do the will of God, was a person, Nick.So I ask you the same question you just asked me. What is your answer? If it is “NO”, then “the Spirit” is NOT the one who said the words of John 6:38.
Hi MB,
You say
“Whoever came down from heaven, not to do his own will, but to do the will of God, was a person, Nick”Only by the logic of natural men.
But it is not written-not that such matters bother them
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