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Quote (Ed J @ April 08 2012,05:40) Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 08 2012,04:57) Quote (toby @ April 05 2012,20:30) It appears that you 'walk away' because you cannot answer ……………..
Toby,Are you posting in this thread to support Ed in his claim that there is LITERALLY only one god mentioned in scripture?
Or are you here merely because you saw a place where you could make yet another false accusation about me?
Please, add your thoughts to the “god” discussion we're having. Are there “many gods in heaven and on earth”, like Paul says? Or is Jehovah LITERALLY the ONLY god ever mentioned in scripture?
Hi Mike,Are you purposefully misrepresenting what I have said?
I said: THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD, misguided people think
there are other gods; they “ARE” mentioned in Scripture!Isaiah 36:18-20 Beware lest Hezekiah persuade you, saying, The LORD will deliver us.
Hath any of the gods of the nations delivered his land out of the hand of the king of Assyria?
Where are the gods of Hamath and Arphad? where are the gods of Sepharvaim? and have they
delivered Samaria out of my hand? Who are they among all the gods of these lands, that have
delivered their land out of my hand, that the LORD should deliver Jerusalem out of my hand?God bless
Ed J
Mike, remember this verse?“Ye are even my witnesses.
Is there 'a God' beside me? yea,
there is 'no God'; I know not any. (Isa 44:8)עד (Joshua 22:34) Ed (Witness)
Quote (Ed J @ April 07 2012,12:40) I said: THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD, misguided people think
there are other gods………….
Oh. Like the misguided people who wrote the God-inspired scriptures?Was Jesus “misguided”? Was Paul? Was John? Was King David? (The list goes on and on)
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 08 2012,16:06) HI MB,
Why do you think God said what ED quoted?
Nso that people like you would know witch God to worship ,because any other god than GOD the almighty are lesser gods and can not help us but he can.
Quote (terraricca @ April 08 2012,04:14) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 08 2012,16:06) HI MB,
Why do you think God said what ED quoted?
Nso that people like you would know witch God to worship ,because any other god than GOD the almighty are lesser gods and can not help us but he can.
Pierre,Your answer is incomplete. God is love; without him there is no love. Those other gods are not love; to worship them is to worship that which is not by nature God.
Quote (kerwin @ April 08 2012,18:21) Quote (terraricca @ April 08 2012,04:14) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 08 2012,16:06) HI MB,
Why do you think God said what ED quoted?
Nso that people like you would know witch God to worship ,because any other god than GOD the almighty are lesser gods and can not help us but he can.
Pierre,Your answer is incomplete. God is love; without him there is no love. Those other gods are not love; to worship them is to worship that which is not by nature God.
KerwinGod has Love and he his LOVE only in the way of all what he does is for the interest of all ,but Gods wrath is on his way ,for all those who refuse the Grace he as put out to men out of LOVE
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 08 2012,22:15) Hi T,
The grace is accessible through Jesus Christ.
You must be born again.
Nyou are an great ignorant ,you have wasted your live with the born again believe ,
I told the truth but you can not see or ear it you are that def and blind,just like the pharisees in Jesus time,
Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 08 2012,04:57) Quote (toby @ April 05 2012,20:30) It appears that you 'walk away' because you cannot answer ……………..
Toby,Are you posting in this thread to support Ed in his claim that there is LITERALLY only one god mentioned in scripture?
Or are you here merely because you saw a place where you could make yet another false accusation about me?
Please, add your thoughts to the “god” discussion we're having. Are there “many gods in heaven and on earth”, like Paul says? Or is Jehovah LITERALLY the ONLY god ever mentioned in scripture?
Mikeboll, the Scriptures says there is only one God that is over all and that is Jehovah, Almighty God (or YHWH as some say).As for the explicitly and deliberately worded question: no, Jehovah God is not the only 'god' (small case indicating 'not a true God') mentioned in Scriptures.
Someone who is a 'god' is shown to be a ruler of Angelic or human standing (or even lifeless material that is taken as an object of worship like money or a statue or a Harley Davidson!)
But as for a True God, no, there is only one true God, Jehovah, God Almighty.
To have any other as God is Pagan and sinful:
“'Thou shalt have no other God but me.', sayeth Jehovah”To All…………Jesus said………..> thou art the “ONLY” True GOD” What part of “ONLY” don't Some here understand” and again as for God there are many (SO CALLED) Gods but unto us there is “ONLY” ONE GOD. God himself said He looked for another GOD and said He found NONE> How clear can it get and yet there are some here who can not understand this simple truth spoken to us by Jesus Paul and GOD himself.
And they call others blind, that is a JOKE at best. and even more, they go against God the FATHER'S OWN straight forward WORDS. They can't even accept his direct and straight forward Words AMAZING!
peace and love…………………………………………………………gene
Quote (toby @ April 08 2012,01:29) As for the explicitly and deliberately worded question: no, Jehovah God is not the only 'god'
Thank you. Your answer is scriptural.Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 07 2012,16:06) HI MB,
Why do you think God said what ED quoted?
Nick,Why do you think Jehovah said there was no savior except for Him when we know He SENT many other saviors?
Nick, Jehovah is the God of gods. Who are these other gods in heaven and on earth that Jehovah is the God OF?
Mike……….They are “FALSE” GODS becasue there is “ONLY” ONE “TRUE” GOD, Saying they are GODS is a LIE.
I have shown you where GOD himself said that He looked for another GOD and Said there were NONE. Your False Gods do not exist as true GODS of any kind. When are you going to start to believe what Jesus and GOD the Father said? All true believers have NO GOD except ONE and that is the Same GOD Jesus Had. When are you preexistences going to stop distorting scriptures to meet you false conceptions of His words. God himself CLEARLY SAID HE looked and found NO other GODS> Is your arrogance so Great it even goes against GODS own words? GOD says He found NO other GODS, but Mike say yes there is other GODS. I wonder who should we believe MIKE or GOD HIMSELF? I Choose GOD!peace and love……………………………………………………….gene
Quote (kerwin @ April 07 2012,18:21) Quote (terraricca @ April 08 2012,04:14) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 08 2012,16:06) HI MB,
Why do you think God said what ED quoted?
Nso that people like you would know witch God to worship ,because any other god than GOD the almighty are lesser gods and can not help us but he can.
Pierre,Your answer is incomplete. God is love; without him there is no love. Those other gods are not love; to worship them is to worship that which is not by nature God.
Didn't Jehovah Himself foretell that Jesus would be called a might god?Didn't John call Jesus the “only begotten god” in John 1:18?
Didn't Thomas call Jesus his Lord and God?
Didn't Manoah call an angel representative of Jehovah a god?
Didn't Paul call Satan a god?
Didn't Jehovah Himself call Satan the god of Ekron?
Who was the god that brought wrath upon the Israelites when the King of Moab sacrificed his son? (2 Kings 3:27)
Who were the gods of Egypt that matched many of the signs Moses did before Pharaoh – the same gods Jehovah later said he punished?
Why the titles “God MOST HIGH” and “God OF gods”, and “God ALMIGHTY” if there are no other gods for Jehovah to be more mighty than, or higher than, or the God OF?
I really need to start a thread on this because so many people are so confused.
PEOPLE, LISTEN UP:
Many today consider the word “god” to refer SOLELY to “The Omniscient Creator of All Things”. But the word did NOT refer SOLELY to that One in the days the Bible was written. You cannot sensibly say “There is only one god, period” if you believe the very scriptures you claim to be following. You can say there is only one “Omniscient Creator of All Things”, and I will whole-heartedly agree with you. But you cannot possibly SCRIPTURALLY say there is only one god in existence – for it is a lie against the written word of God Himself. Jehovah is the God OF many other gods.These gods are not “fake” or “untrue” gods. Heck, Jesus is ONE OF THEM!
And the others, like Satan, are truly powerful beings who do hold sway over many things.As Gene points out, Jesus calls Jehovah “the only true God”. But Gene is lost as to what that means. For example, I could call Jehovah “the only true Savior”, and I would be right – because no one else has even the strength to save one hair on their head if not for Jehovah allowing it. So in that right, He IS the “ONLY true Savior”, despite the fact that He SENT many other saviors of His people. Does this mean that David was a “false savior”? Does it mean that Saul was an “untrue savior”? Does it mean that Jesus was only a savior in the minds of pagans?
NO! It merely means that I was EMPHASIZING Jehovah as being ABOVE all these OTHER saviors. Just as Jesus was EMPHASIZING Jehovah as being ABOVE all the other gods when he called Him “the only true God”. Jesus himself pointed out that those to whom the word of God came were called gods.
And Paul pointed out that there are “INDEED many gods in heaven and on earth”.
So YES, there is but ONE Omniscient Creator of All Things. But NO, there is NOT only one god.
To ALL……….So tell us where and who is theLIER…………..Mike or GOD ?
Isa 43:10 …> Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD< and my servant whom I have Chosen: that you may know and believe Me, and understand that I am he; “BEFORE” me there was “NO” God formed, neither shall there be, “AFTER” me.
Isa 44:6……..> Thus saith the LORD the KING of ISREAL, and His redeemer th LORD of hosts; I am the first, and the Last; and beside me there is “NO” GOD.
Isa 44:8……..> Fear you not neither be afraid; have not i told you form that time, and have declared it? you are even my witnesses. Is there a God “BESIDE” me? yea, there is “NO” GOD; I know not any>
But Mike Does , even though GOD said He didn't know of another GOD beside Him.
to all who have ears to hear be careful of those who preach other GODS unless you reduce the Word GOD to mean a strong or might man. As Jesus and Moses and others are But non of these are GODS or gods.
Scripture have no such thing as a lower case God to imply a lesser God of any kind, this is just a trick by trinitarians and Preexistence to up grade Jesus to a God status. To try to maker him an object of worship. We are to worship ONLY ONE GOD and that is the ONE and ONLY GOD JESUS worshiped. IMO
peace and love to you all………………………gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 09 2012,11:35) To ALL……….So tell us where and who is theLIER…………..Mike or GOD ? Isa 43:10 …> Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD< and my servant whom I have Chosen: that you may know and believe Me, and understand that I am he; “BEFORE” me there was “NO” God formed, neither shall there be, “AFTER” me.
Isa 44:6……..> Thus saith the LORD the KING of ISREAL, and His redeemer th LORD of hosts; I am the first, and the Last; and beside me there is “NO” GOD.
Isa 44:8……..> Fear you not neither be afraid; have not i told you form that time, and have declared it? you are even my witnesses. Is there a God “BESIDE” me? yea, there is “NO” GOD; I know not any>
But Mike Does , even though GOD said He didn't know of another GOD beside Him.
to all who have ears to hear be careful of those who preach other GODS unless you reduce the Word GOD to mean a strong or might man. As Jesus and Moses and others are But non of these are GODS or gods.
Scripture have no such thing as a lower case God to imply a lesser God of any kind, this is just a trick by trinitarians and Preexistence to up grade Jesus to a God status. To try to maker him an object of worship. We are to worship ONLY ONE GOD and that is the ONE and ONLY GOD JESUS worshiped. IMO
peace and love to you all………………………gene
GEX 15:11 “ Who is like You among the gods, O LORD?
Who is like You, majestic in holiness,
Awesome in praises, working wonders?
EX 18:11 “Now I know that the LORD is greater than all the gods; indeed, it was proven when they dealt proudly against the people.”
EX 20:3 “ You shall have no other gods before Me.
EX 20:23 ‘ You shall not make other gods besides Me; gods of silver or gods of gold, you shall not make for yourselves.EX 20:23 ‘ You shall not make other gods besides Me; gods of silver or gods of gold, you shall not make for yourselves.
EX 23:13 “Now concerning everything which I have said to you, be on your guard; and do not mention the name of other gods, nor let them be heard from your mouth.LEV 19:4 ‘Do not turn to idols or make for yourselves molten gods; I am the LORD your God.
NU 25:2 For they invited the people to the sacrifices of their gods, and the people ate and bowed down to their gods.
NU 33:4 while the Egyptians were burying all their firstborn whom the LORD had struck down among them. The LORD had also executed judgments on their gods.
DT 4:28 “ There you will serve gods, the work of man’s hands, wood and stone, which neither see nor hear nor eat nor smell.
DT 5:7 ‘ You shall have no other gods before Me.
DT 6:14 “ You shall not follow other gods, any of the gods of the peoples who surround you,DT 32:17 “ They sacrificed to demons who were not God,
To gods whom they have not known,
New gods who came lately,
Whom your fathers did not dread.
DT 32:37 “And He will say, ‘ Where are their gods,
The rock in which they sought refuge?wen are you look at things the way they really are
Do you see all the gods mentioned in Pierre's post, Gene? Who are all those gods?
Gene, just answer this one question:
How could Jehovah foretell that Jesus was to be called mighty god if there ARE no other gods except for Jehovah?
Hi All.
It might be wise to understand that anyone or anything called 'god' who is not Jehovah must not be regarded in the same context as the 'God' Jehovah.
To be a 'god' just means 'To have power and authority'.
All who are 'god', but not Jehovah, are GIVEN their 'Power and Authority' by Jehovah.
Bear in mind that the word 'God' is capitalised by the writer whether in Scriptures, in a personal testament, in books, on the Internet or in this forum.
I can say 'Jehovah is almighty god' – am I wrong?
I can say 'Satan was said to be God of this world' – am I wrong?
I can say 'Moses was GOD of Aaron' – am I wrong?Anyone in ANY POSITION OF POWER AND AUTHORITY over others of his own kind can be said to be 'a god'. However, all but Jehovah are given their Power and Authority in limited measure by the one, and ONLY ONE, who is the Source of ALL POWER AND AUTHORITY.
Man is 'God' over the Animals.
A Judge is 'God' over his Courtroom.
A Father is 'God' (by Scriptural tradition) in his OWN household
A Husband is 'God' (by Scriotural tradition) over his wife.
A Referee is 'God' over the game.
The winning player is 'God' over his opponents.But all of these can and ultimately are both appointed and removed from their (Temporary) 'Godship' as NONE of these are the same as the one who holds the source of all power and authority from who it can never be taken away.
Even Jesus Christ only holds the 'Full Power and Authority' that is Almighty Jehovah God, for a period of time after which he hands it back to Almighty Jehovah God.
But know this – Almighty Jehovah God still is God over his Christ even as Christ holds the full power of Almighty Jehovah God. Christ cannot usurp Jehovah God Almighty and become 'Jesus God Almighty'.
Quote (toby @ April 09 2012,16:14) Hi All. It might be wise to understand that anyone or anything called 'god' who is not Jehovah must not be regarded in the same context as the 'God' Jehovah.
To be a 'god' just means 'To have power and authority'.
All who are 'god', but not Jehovah, are GIVEN their 'Power and Authority' by Jehovah.
Bear in mind that the word 'God' is capitalised by the writer whether in Scriptures, in a personal testament, in books, on the Internet or in this forum.
I can say 'Jehovah is almighty god' – am I wrong?
I can say 'Satan was said to be God of this world' – am I wrong?
I can say 'Moses was GOD of Aaron' – am I wrong?Anyone in ANY POSITION OF POWER AND AUTHORITY over others of his own kind can be said to be 'a god'. However, all but Jehovah are given their Power and Authority in limited measure by the one, and ONLY ONE, who is the Source of ALL POWER AND AUTHORITY.
Man is 'God' over the Animals.
A Judge is 'God' over his Courtroom.
A Father is 'God' (by Scriptural tradition) in his OWN household
A Husband is 'God' (by Scriotural tradition) over his wife.
A Referee is 'God' over the game.
The winning player is 'God' over his opponents.But all of these can and ultimately are both appointed and removed from their (Temporary) 'Godship' as NONE of these are the same as the one who holds the source of all power and authority from who it can never be taken away.
Even Jesus Christ only holds the 'Full Power and Authority' that is Almighty Jehovah God, for a period of time after which he hands it back to Almighty Jehovah God.
But know this – Almighty Jehovah God still is God over his Christ even as Christ holds the full power of Almighty Jehovah God. Christ cannot usurp Jehovah God Almighty and become 'Jesus God Almighty'.
tobyyes and it all be coming to ;all be of God : so that there will be no more anyone called God except God the father of all creation
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