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Hi all,
The question:
When does the biological father become the biological father?Please vote in this poll and give your thoughts. Are humans considered a mother or father, in a sense, before the child is born from the point of conception or not? If not, when does the biological father become the biological father?
Elizabeth called Mary the mother of her Lord when Mary was pregnant. Was Mary the mother at that point or was Elizabeth being prophetic?
Luke 1:39Now at this time Mary arose and went in a hurry to the hill country, to a city of Judah, 40and entered the house of Zacharias and greeted Elizabeth. 41When Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, the baby leaped in her womb; and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit. 42And she cried out with a loud voice and said, “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb! 43“And how has it happened to me, that the mother of my Lord would come to me? 44“For behold, when the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the baby leaped in my womb for joy. 45“And blessed is she who believed that there would be a fulfillment of what had been spoken to her by the Lord.”
Thank you for voting!
KathiI voted at conception, however there is some debate in the phrases “mother (or father) to be” if the child does not make it to fruition some would argue that you failed to meet the criteria. I disagree, we lost a child in the second trimester and I believe like David “I will go to him (her), but he (she) will not return to me.”. Birth only changes location (birth is not the miracle, conception is).
My opinion – Wm
Kathi
this question of your ;
Quote When does the biological father become the biological father? as no bearing on Jesus unless you believe that he is the offspring of Joseph.
Pierre
Hi William,
Thanks for voting. I'm sorry for your loss. Scripture says that God knows us in the womb.Romans 8:18
For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worth comparing with the glory that is to be revealed to us.Love to you,
KathiQuote (terraricca @ April 21 2011,15:23) Kathi this question of your ;
Quote When does the biological father become the biological father? as no bearing on Jesus unless you believe that he is the offspring of Joseph.
Pierre
Pierre,
This question is about a human biological father and the understanding that the human biological father is a father before the child is born/begotten.If people can see that many have the understanding that a man is a father even before the child is born/begotten, then they might be able to understand that God was a Father before the Son was born/begotten before the ages, if the Son was within the Father beforehand.
Did you vote?
Kathi
It is sentiment that makes one say 'Mother' before birth.
New Motherhood is a very emotional state and everything needs to be done to make the prospective mother feel good.
Calling her 'Mom' is one such way. It has the positive psychological effect of a reassurance to the woman that her pregnancy will result in a prophetic healthy full term birth.
Kathi, you rightly say 'Prophetic'.
Men are not normally sentimental in the same way so he is called 'Expectant Father' he is never called 'Father' until actual birth is complete.
The thing here is to take away sentiment from the equation and address the hard cold reality.
What do you called a woman who is expecting a baby?
Do you call her 'A mother' or 'An Expectant mother'?'Hi Darling, guess what – you are GOING TO BE a Father'
'Hi sister, Great news – I'm going to be a Mother'
'Hi Mom, guess what – you are GOING TO BE a Grandmother'
Why is said 'Going to be' if it is certain and a FACT..?
And she said when she just found out that she was pregnant, “and you are the biological father.”
If a woman has only been with one man during the last several months, she can safely say that even when she has just conceived, it is factual. Science can prove it too.
Istari,
Sentiment didn't make the father a biological father, conception did which involved his sperm.
Quote (Lightenup @ April 21 2011,15:56) And she said when she just found out that she was pregnant, “and you are the biological father.” If a woman has only been with one man during the last several months, she can safely say that even when she has just conceived, it is factual. Science can prove it too.
The pregnant girl wouldn't say, “you are going to be the biological father” would she Istari? She would say…you ARE the biological father.Kathi,
Could you respond to the queries I posted concerning the 'mother'… Maybe the post was about the father, I don't know but my queries were concerning the 'Mother'.
'Biological Father' is a term meaning the one through the fertilisation came.
It is not the same as 'The Father' as in 'Fatherhood' which is what I believe the question is about.We can always haggle about alternative issues but my point from the other thread and before that was and still is that 'Mother[hood]' (And Father[hood]' are following the actual birth:
'Congratulations to the new Mom – you have a little boy!'Istari,
I understand that people speak of pregnant women as expectant mothers or 'mothers to be' but I think you would agree that she is the biological mother of her child at the moment of conception…right? It would be incorrect to think of her as the biological mother 'to be' if she were pregnant, as if she wasn't already the biological mother at that time.The poll question was concerning the 'biological' father which, I hope makes things clearer to you and others. If you voted that one becomes the biological father only after the birth, how can that be? How can the biological father not be the biological father before birth too? What changes biologically within the baby…isn't the father's dna present within the fertilized ovum at the time of fertilization? Does the father's DNA come to the baby through the process of birth or the process of conception? If conception, then that is when the biological father becomes the 'biological' father. Understand?
Istari,
you said
Quote Biological Father' is a term meaning the one through the fertilisation came.
It is not the same as 'The Father' as in 'Fatherhood' which is what I believe the question is about.Ok, so at least you can see that a guy is the biological father before the birth because he fertilized the ovum. I think that you would have voted differently if you would have understood the question. The question is about being a biological father which causes one to also be the father in a sense, at the moment of conception and to become a father in another sense after the birth.
Kathi
Hahaha, that is such a funny question, when does the biological father become a biological father.
Id like to know who picked…c…Did you know that a virgin can become a mother, it happens, but usually the child born is 100% identical to the mother and always a girl, so Jesus was unique in this, so my mother said.
Karmarie,
I think the one who voted for the third choice was Istari. Ask him. That should be an interesting chat for you.Kathi
Kathy! life begins at conception. That makes the man the biological Father….and that is what i voted….
Peace Irene
Quote (Lightenup @ April 22 2011,19:51) Thanks Irene for voting! I agree. Kathi
allit may seem that at conception there is the prospect of becoming a father or a mother but until there is birth no one can be called father or mother in my book
the scriptures say that the end of a thing is better then the beginning,so is birth over dead
Pierre
So Pierre, you weren't the biological father when your wife conceived your children, you were only the biological father after their birth? Do you understand what 'biological father' means? If your wife said that you were the biological father when she found out she was pregnant would you say that you weren't?? Someone had to be.
biological father (plural biological fathers)
The man from whom one inherits half of one's DNA and from whom men inherit their Y chromosome.
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/biological_fatherPierre, so when did your kids inherit half of your DNA…at birth or at conception?? I am giving you another chance to come clean here Pierre. Otherwise you show us something about yourself. There is only one correct answer to this poll.
Kathi
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