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Quote (Jodi Lee @ Oct. 06 2010,04:33) To ALL, There is NO story in the bible of a jealous angel wanting to be God and God kicking him out of heaven. Revelation 12, Ezekiel 28 and Isaiah 14 discuss KINGS and these kings are said to fall from heaven. The bible gives plenty examples of man’s fall.
Taking one liners from various parts of the bible, pulling them out of their context, and using them to fit your doctrine is not establishing truth, and it is absurd to argue such methods are using the bible as a whole.
Luke 10:15 And you, Capernaum, who are exalted to heaven, will be brought down to Hades.
La 2:1 How the Lord has covered the daughter of Zion With a cloud in His anger! He cast down from heaven to the earth The beauty of Israel, And did not remember His footstool In the day of His anger.
Isaiah 10:33 Behold, the Lord, The Lord of hosts, Will lop off the bough with terror; Those of high stature will be hewn down, And the haughty will be humbled. 34 He will cut down the thickets of the forest with iron, And Lebanon will fall by the Mighty One.
Jer 6:15 Were they ashamed when they had committed abomination? No! They were not at all ashamed; Nor did they know how to blush. Therefore they shall fall among those who fall; At the time I punish them, They shall be cast down,” says the Lord.
Jer 50:32 The most proud shall stumble and fall, And no one will raise him up; I will kindle a fire in his cities, And it will devour all around him.”
Ps 36:12 there the workers of iniquity have fallen; They have been cast down and are not able to rise.
Psalms 89:44 You have made his glory cease, And cast his throne down to the ground.
Eze 31:16 I made the nations shake at the sound of its fall, when I cast it down to hell together with those who descend into the Pit; and all the trees of Eden, the choice and best of Lebanon, all that drink water, were comforted in the depths of the earth.
Eze 32:18 “Son of man, wail over the multitude of Egypt, And cast them down to the depths of the earth, Her and the daughters of the famous nations, With those who go down to the Pit:
Daniel 4:24 this is the interpretation, O king, and this is the decree of the Most High, which has come upon my lord the king: 25 They shall drive you from men, your dwelling shall be with the beasts of the field, and they shall make you eat grass like oxen. They shall wet you with the dew of heaven, and seven times shall pass over you, till you know that the Most High rules in the kingdom of men, and gives it to whomever He chooses. 26 And inasmuch as they gave the command to leave the stump and roots of the tree, your kingdom shall be assured to you, after you come to know that Heaven rules.
Acts 17:26 And He has made from one blood every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth, and has determined their preappointed times and the boundaries of their dwellings,
Daniel 2:20 Daniel answered and said: “Blessed be the name of God forever and ever, For wisdom and might are His. 21 And He changes the times and the seasons; He removes kings and raises up kings; He gives wisdom to the wise And knowledge to those who have understanding.
Job 12:23 He makes nations great, and destroys them; He enlarges nations, and guides them.24 He takes away the understanding of the chiefs of the people of the earth, And makes them wander in a pathless wilderness.
Psalm 75:6 For exaltation comes neither from the east Nor from the west nor from the south. 7 But God is the Judge: He puts down one, And exalts another. 8 For in the hand of the Lord there is a cup, And the wine is red; It is fully mixed, and He pours it out; Surely its dregs shall all the wicked of the earth Drain and drink down.
There exists NO scripture that says YHWH “allows” a force of supernatural evil beings to inflict and curse people, on the contrary He says that He ALONE inflicts and curses people. There exists No scripture that says YHWH “allows” a force of supernatural evil beings to rule over the nations, on the contrary He says that it is He who has charge over kings and their kingdoms, He gives them wisdom, He makes them rich. He raises them up and brings them down according to His Will. Scripture shows that people who believed that “other beings” were capable of doing such things, were people who were FOOLISH, and are those creating false gods.
Our desire is to dwell with YHWH in the Kingdom of God also called the Kingdom of Heaven, where His Will reigns and not the carnal will of man, where there is peace not war, where there is righteousness not sin.
Apparently however dwelling in heaven with YHWH is NOT GOOD ENOUGH for some. Apparently heaven to many angels is a WORTHLESS place where God cannot even receive respect let alone peace.
The doctrine of fallen angels essential makes God out to be a LIAR, and it destroys man’s hope for Heavenly Peace!
It is a VILE doctrine that utterly disgraces YHWH!!
Hi Jodi,Quote Taking one liners from various parts of the bible,
Pulling them out of their context, and using them to fit your doctrine
is not establishing truth, and it is absurd to argue such methods are using the bible as a whole.
I think we all can clearly see ‘your pattern’ described here for us!
We should take your advice as well, not bothering to argue with you either!What's BLACK and WHITE and RED all over ?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Jodi Lee @ Oct. 06 2010,07:49) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 06 2010,06:40) Jodi,
Please you realize your starting to flood the thread, and its OFF topic.
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This is like the 5th or 6th time I had to tell you
I am discussing that Fallen Angels DO NOT exist, that is absolutely on topic.I have been posting scriptures that talk about the fall of MAN, who is indeed a slanderer.
So I am in fact ON TOPIC, you just don't like where it's going!!
The ONLY time I am aware of you telling me I am off topic was once months ago and then more recently one other time in the “Christ was not created” thread, of which I have not been posting in.
Hi Jodi,I agree you are on topic, but that doesn't make what you assert true; does it?
Quote (Jodi Lee @ Oct. 06 2010,02:01) I am more then happy to start a thread on fallen angels if you be so anal that such cannot be included on the devil's fall thread. My next post on this thread will be on the identity of the devil and when the devil fell, I am sure it will be just as pleasing to you as my “off topic” posts!!
Actually your discussing whether the Devil exisits or not.
the topic is surrounding the subject of the “fallen angel”
I should know because i wrote the thread.
In this thread i have mentioned yuor off topic many times.
I reveiwed the whole thing recently.But anyways,
I sent you a Pm, you never answered, im waiting of you responseHi SF,
I just tried to send you a reply to your pm but when I checked what was sent it only had your original message on it.
I am more then happy to have a debate with you and set up some guidelines for the debate.
When can we get started?
You want to debate the identity of the devil right?
Quote (Jodi Lee @ Oct. 06 2010,02:43) Hi SF, I just tried to send you a reply to your pm but when I checked what was sent it only had your original message on it.
I am more then happy to have a debate with you and set up some guidelines for the debate.
When can we get started?
You want to debate the identity of the devil right?
I just responded back,we will talk about it there,
if for some reason you have a problem with sending the PM,go to this thread and we will work it out there,
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