what truth do we know for sure ?

[terraricca]

Quote (chosenone @ July 14 2011,23:45)

Pierre,  sorry, I appologise, I didn't know you were Jewish. God Bless.

CO

AM I ?

[princess]

T,

Paul is considered christian, one of the first.  We just made mention of this in a prior conversation. Pauls words wipe out all others, even jesus', hence Pauline Christianity.

Paul says:

Rom.13
[12] the night is far gone, the day is at hand.

Jesus says:

Luke.21
[8] Take heed that you are not led astray; for many will come in my name,
saying, . . . `The time is at hand!' Do not go after them.

[terraricca]

Quote (princess @ July 15 2011,05:58)

T, Paul is considered christian, one of the first.  We just made mention of this in a prior conversation. Pauls words wipe out all others, even jesus', hence Pauline Christianity. Paul says: Rom.13 [12] the night is far gone, the day is at hand. Jesus says: Luke.21 [8] Take heed that you are not led astray; for many will come in my name, saying, . . . `The time is at hand!' Do not go after them.

princess

you are quoting Paul words in a strange way ;

Ro 13:12 The night is nearly over; the day is almost here. So let us put aside the deeds of darkness and put on the armor of light.

Paul was talking to Christians and talked about there progress and yes to them the night was almost over because as they mature the full light in Christ will become trough and so no longer live or think in the darkness of the world ,

there will never some thing that would eliminate God s son words,at the least until he submit all to his God and father.

Pierre

[terraricca]

all

why is it that so many like to see in scriptures what there is not ?

is it because they do not believe that scriptures his the true word of God and so need our own interpretation .

or is more that we are separated the ones who do not accept the word of God are rejecting the written word given by the disciples of Christ trough the holy spirit of truth,and so rejecting the spirit of Christ ,while on the other hand those who accept the scriptures as they are and do the research need to clear up passages so that truth may appear more evidently and more accurate.

think on the ten maiden only five were accepted

Jn 1:5 The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it.

Pierre

[terraricca]

All

Ex 20;7 Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain; for the Lord thy God will not acquit him that takes his name in vain.LXX version

Ex 20:7 “You shall not misuse the name of the LORD your God, for the LORD will not hold anyone guiltless who misuses his name.INV

Ex 20:7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.KJV

the commandments were give to the people of God ,based on the promise to Jacob,God ad chosen a nation and it was Israel,

so taken the name of God in vain or misuse it ,in a shameful way ,resisting Gods will ,this would put an Israelite in danger of dead,

what is Vain or misuse ;put it this way use Gods name as permitted or call him father,but do not misuse the them either ,

so love God respect his name and his word the scriptures as truth and you shall live in peace.

Mk 3:29 But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of an eternal sin.”

Mt 12:32 Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.

Lk 12:10 And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven.

Jn 14:26 But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.

1Th 4:8 Therefore, he who rejects this instruction does not reject man but God, who gives you his Holy Spirit.

Heb 6:4 It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit,

if we believe in God the creator of all things and that he has send his son , to us and this is Jesus Christ ,and that we have recognize this in our hearts ,and know that the scriptures are his written word the holy truth,you have now taste the heavenly gift what is the grace of God trough his son sacrifice.

so when someone reject that sacrifice he is done because there is no other means to be saved under the heaven,that it.

Pierre

[ftk]

Princess:

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Rom.13 [12] the night is far gone, the day is at hand.

Perhaps the night represents darkness, ignorance, no light, no incite into the truth of God, lack of knowledge which had passed away with the old covenant and the Jewish temple worship. They were in darkness and sin. They did not have the truth/light.

The day of the lord has come. Light came with Jesus to enlighten all who would come to him. The light is “at hand” or “within reach” or now!! Darkness is sin! Light is life in Christ! All sin thinking was removed through Jesus and his finished work. IMO,TK

[terraricca]

Quote (ftk @ July 18 2011,05:07)

Princess:   Quote Rom.13 [12] the night is far gone, the day is at hand. Perhaps the night represents darkness, ignorance, no light, no incite into the truth of God, lack of knowledge which had passed away with the old covenant and the Jewish temple worship. They were in darkness and sin. They did not have the truth/light. The day of the lord has come. Light came with Jesus to enlighten all who would come to him. The light is “at hand” or “within reach” or now!! Darkness is sin! Light is life in Christ! All sin thinking was removed through Jesus and his finished work. IMO,TK

TK

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Perhaps the night represents darkness, ignorance, no light, no incite into the truth of God, lack of knowledge

this is true ,but if you believe that the old covenant was also darkness then you are in error ,

Christ appears according to the old covenant,the true worshipers (apostles to be ) were waiting to the coming of the Christ,the date was known to them and the sign add come (John the baptist)the voice in the desert

it was the religion leaders that have taken the people into darkness,by going away of Gods law and worship.

there is no darkness in the word of God from Genesis to Revelation ,if you see darkness it is not in scriptures but in yourself that the darkness lays.

Pierre

[ftk]

Pierre: Maybe you know what darkness is better than I do or even Jesus does. Jesus came to the “lost sheep”. Jesus came to a darkened world of sin. Who was in sin? Those going to temple and following mans laws, rules, rituals, washings and all types of man made religion. Those outside didn't even know what “sin” was except through temple worshipers.

Jesus didn't come to give his life for righteous people! If they were already righteous what would be the need? Jesus came to show mankind the truth of where God is and what God desires. If he came to show the truth they must have been in error. If the people were doing fine by the law of Moses then Jesus need not come!

What would be the need for light is there was not darkness? What would be the need for purification of mankind if the law was doing its job? Come on Pierre, if the old covenant had been able to make the worshipers perfect there would be no need for the new.

The light of God came, in Jesus and taught the world. Forget all the “carnality” and “born with sin” ! Man was created perfect by God in the begining. Man only lost his perfection with God by “believing he had”!! Religion beat man down as unclean, unrighteous, a sinner, bad, no good. Man believed he was separated from perfection/God by his own self/judgment/condemnation. Believing you are imperfect doesn't make you imperfect it makes you “believe” you are imperfect. That is “illusion of truth” not truth.

Mankind became like a computer that has been programed incorrectly. One would not throw a good working computer away because it is programed badly. A hard/drive full of evil programing must be cleaned out first and then re-programed with truth. IMO,TK

[terraricca]

Quote (ftk @ July 19 2011,04:25)

Pierre: Maybe you know what darkness is better than I do or even Jesus does. Jesus came to the “lost sheep”. Jesus came to a darkened world of sin. Who was in sin?  Those going to temple and following mans laws, rules, rituals, washings  and all types of man made religion. Those outside didn't even know what “sin” was except through temple worshipers. Jesus didn't come to give his life for righteous people! If they were already righteous what would be the need? Jesus came to show mankind the truth of where God is and what God desires. If he came to show the truth they must have been in error. If the people were doing fine by the law of Moses then Jesus need not come! What would be the need for light is there was not darkness?  What would be the need for purification of mankind if the law was doing its job?  Come on Pierre, if the old covenant had been able to make the worshipers perfect there would be no need for the new. The light of God came, in Jesus and taught the world.  Forget all the “carnality” and “born with sin” ! Man was created perfect by God in the begining. Man only lost his perfection with God by “believing he had”!! Religion beat man down as unclean, unrighteous, a sinner, bad, no good. Man believed he was separated from perfection/God by his own self/judgment/condemnation.  Believing you are imperfect doesn't make you imperfect it makes you “believe” you are imperfect. That is “illusion of truth” not truth. Mankind became like a computer that has been programed incorrectly. One would not throw a good working computer away because it is programed badly. A hard/drive full of evil programing must be cleaned out first and then re-programed with truth. IMO,TK

TK

so Satan is also a imaginary being,?

and wen did religion came in men s world ?

Pierre

[terraricca]

all

are you a member of a organized religion,? if you do what are the reasons for your joining that organization ?you are born in it ,you are there because of your friends,you there because you feel it is a good place to be in,i believe it is the truth that they preach,ect……..

WHERE IS GOD IN THOSE REASONS ? yes God is not considered to be a influence in that decision is it ?
and yet is it not our soul that is at stake ? yes it is but it seems many only live for today in this world not for the next one what is the real world where live is everlasting and no wickedness is found,

what is it that you want ?

2Pe 1:16 We did not follow cleverly invented stories when we told you about the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we were eyewitnesses of his majesty.
2Pe 1:17 For he received honor and glory from God the Father when the voice came to him from the Majestic Glory, saying, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.”
2Pe 1:18 We ourselves heard this voice that came from heaven when we were with him on the sacred mountain.
2Pe 1:19 And we have the word of the prophets made more certain, and you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts.
2Pe 1:20 Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation.
2Pe 1:21 For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.

yes scriptures is needed to learn the will of God ,

Pierre

[ftk]

Pierre:

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…so Satan is also a imaginary being,?

Satan is a spiritual lie against the spirit of truth! Is that a being? Maybe! How do you fight a “lie”? The only way to fight a lie is finding the truth! When the “truth” is found(light) it will cast out or dispel the darkness/untruth!!

We are in search of the “truth” about God are we not? The only way the truth about God that Jesus brought and gave to us, can be hindered or blocked, is if lies and deceptions bring darkness of mind. So we fight for light. To be enlightened to the truth.

There are no rules or rituals or laws or things that must be done to find the truth, just searching for Jesus the light of God is the calling to mankind. All the rest is religion. A waste of time. Jesus said to believe what he says is truth from God. To believe you don't have to move. You don't have to go anywhere. You don't have to do anything. You just accept and believe Jesus or reject what he says and build your religion from some other man or entity. The gospel is simple! IMO, TK

[terraricca]

Quote (ftk @ July 24 2011,08:27)

Pierre: Quote …so Satan is also a imaginary being,? Satan is a spiritual lie against the spirit of truth! Is that a being? Maybe!  How do you fight a “lie”? The only way to fight a lie is finding the truth! When the “truth” is found(light) it will cast out or dispel the darkness/untruth!! We are in search of the “truth” about God are we not? The only way the truth about God that Jesus brought and gave to us, can be hindered or blocked, is if lies and deceptions bring darkness of mind. So we fight for light. To be enlightened to the truth. There are no rules or rituals or laws or things that must be done to find the truth, just searching for Jesus the light of God is the calling to mankind. All the rest is religion. A waste of time. Jesus said to believe what he says is truth from God. To believe you don't have to move. You don't have to go anywhere. You don't have to do anything. You just accept and believe Jesus or reject what he says and build your religion from some other man or entity. The gospel is simple!  IMO, TK

TK

so Christ was tested by lies in the desert ?

so Eve was tempted by a snake that lied to her and she believe the lie ?

and so there are no demons,or a being called Satan ?

sorry Tim ,it seems we do not read the same bible

Pierre

[ftk]

Pierre: I don't see that it matters whether you call a serpent a snake or she just heard a voice in her head, the information that came was a lie against the truth. All lies or spirit/thoughts & words that do not align with God are temporary man made illusion that will be revealed and cast away eventually as we see the light of truth.

I am referencing all thought processing pertaining to things of God (not earthly business). New testament truth is either truth words/spirit, from God, with its fruit of life or there come lies and deceptions of miss-aligned the truth, that distort it, darken it, weaken it or alter it to death. Evil words/spirits are information from devils, demons, lies and deceptions against the truth! Words/spirits of darkness and all forms of distortion of life, lead to death. Evil spirits/words are like a cancer that eats away at truth/life, leaving death. It matters not who or how they come to you or what name you give them, don't be tricked or fooled by their crafty cunning that robs a man of truth of God and eventually destroys him.

The truth is the Gospel and the Gospel is Good News…always!

All information is flowing through our minds, some good from God that gives life to the hearer and some evil that brings destruction of life. This is the truth that is set before us. Good and evil! Its our choice what to believe. If we choose life/good and refuse to ever let it go, then life is what we will live in and produce, here, on earth as it is in Heaven.

What is the difference whether one says, a devil came to him to tempt him or a liar came to him to tempt him to disbelieve. The test Jesus had in the wilderness was “IF THOU BE THE SON OF GOD” do this or that. Jesus knew he was the son of God so there was no need to test. The mere term “test” indicates maybe or maybe not! The word “tempt” is even more the temptation to not believe.

Sadly we do read the same Bible. You see and hear through eyes and ears trained by you over time. Your perceptions of truth are based on what you have already chosen to believe and how deep the roots are. In other words how willing to change to find the truth of God. If you say, I already know, then you are full and there is no more room for truth. Same book different perceptions. IMO, TK

[Ed J]

Quote (terraricca @ July 24 2011,02:06)

Quote (ftk @ July 24 2011,08:27) Pierre: Quote …so Satan is also a imaginary being,? Satan is a spiritual lie against the spirit of truth! Is that a being? Maybe!  How do you fight a “lie”? The only way to fight a lie is finding the truth! When the “truth” is found(light) it will cast out or dispel the darkness/untruth!! We are in search of the “truth” about God are we not? The only way the truth about God that Jesus brought and gave to us, can be hindered or blocked, is if lies and deceptions bring darkness of mind. So we fight for light. To be enlightened to the truth. There are no rules or rituals or laws or things that must be done to find the truth, just searching for Jesus the light of God is the calling to mankind. All the rest is religion. A waste of time. Jesus said to believe what he says is truth from God. To believe you don't have to move. You don't have to go anywhere. You don't have to do anything. You just accept and believe Jesus or reject what he says and build your religion from some other man or entity. The gospel is simple!  IMO, TK TK so Christ was tested by lies in the desert ? so Eve was tempted by a snake that lied to her and she believe the lie ? and so there are no demons,or a being called Satan ? sorry Tim ,it seems we do not read the same bible Pierre

Hi Pierre,

Excellent Post!   …and I see your use of capital letters has improved as well.   …Good Job!

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[GeneBalthrop]

TK………….You have posed it right, they just need to have some physical attachment to it in order to understand it, Satan to them is a Person not a Spirit (intellect) they can't percieve it. Jesus overcame Himself , his own personal wants and desires in the wilderness, not some elusive being going around jumping in and out of People. And you are right it is all about the spirit (intellect) of Truth verses the Spirit (intellect) of a LIE. Jesus put his own demon or will to death in the wilderness and scummed to the will of The Father, using Gods very words to conquer his own will. The “TEST” was indeed a test of Wills, God's WILL or His Will.

peace and love to you and yours…………………………………..gene

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 24 2011,07:48)

Jesus overcame Himself , his own personal wants and desires in the wilderness, not some elusive being going around jumping in and out of People.

Gene,

You are truly a card!  

Who do you and Tim think the “original serpent” that was thrown out of heaven along with a third of the angels is?

Is there now “Woe to the earth and those living there” because a “LIE” has gone down to us and that “LIE” is filled with fury because HE knows HIS time is short?

Btw Tim, what's with the ftk?  

peace,
mike

[GeneBalthrop]

Mike………..So tell us what this Satan of Yours looks like, is he really a “SNAKE OR SERPENT” surely you know right becasue he is a “real Person” to you Mike. Just as GOD is a Material Person to You also right Mike. You have never learned what Spirits really are yet so that does account for you ignorance on this i realize that. So tell us Mike what does your “SATAN BEING” Look like, being He goes around like a roaring Lion stocking people, surely you can identify him to us Mike. O wise one.

peace and love…………………………………….gene

[mikeboll64]

Hey Gene,

Tell me what Michael the archangel looks like.  What?  You can't?  Oh, then that must mean he doesn't really exist!

[GeneBalthrop]

Mike………..There you go again saying i am saying that Angels do not exist I never said they did not exist But where does it say Satan is an Angel of any kind. I never said Satan as an adversarial “SPIRIT” does NOT EXIST, that is you putting word in my mouth again. Give yourself a tile for that Mike OK> You shouldn't LIE about what others are saying right?. IMO

[mikeboll64]

Gene,

I asked you a simple question. So maybe YOU should get a tile for saying I said something I didn't say.

Address the point if you can Gene. YOUR claim is that because I don't personally know what Satan looks like, he doesn't really exist. I've made the same point about Michael the archangel. Please address that point instead of crying, Gene.

Gene, does the fact that YOU don't personally know what Michael the archangel looks like mean that he doesn't exist? YES or NO?

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