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[bodhitharta]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 22 2009,17:17)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 22 2009,16:03) Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 22 2009,09:49) I BD as long you using a miror to read the scriptures in the bible ,you will be confused by your reflection. and never come to the plain understanding of the thruth of Christ. Why insult me? You couldn't find any scripture to honestly present to me? Maybe you might be able to answer why Jesus said John 17:4-5 (New King James Version) 4 I have glorified You on the earth. I have finished the work which You have given Me to do. Why did Jesus say he was finished BEFORE the Cross? Hi BD, His given mission was to preach to the Jews. Then he was killed by the evil powers on high through their earthly servants. They regretted it[1Cor2.8]

This sounds much more scripturally accurate, thanks for the honesty.

[Tim Kraft]

A thought: Since spirit is eternal and we know it continues on after the physical body dies, then there is no resurrection of the spirit, it never died! The type of resurrection you are talking about could only be the physical body, thats the only part that dies and could be raised.
By this criteria, Lazzrus was resurrected by Jesus. Jesus never did say he would be resurrected. Jesus said, "I am the resurrection and the life"! The words of God, throuth Jesus, are the resurrection from death to life for those who believe. If one believes he is dead in sin then he has not been resurrected to new sinless life. If one believes he is cleansed, sanctified and free of any sin through Jesus, then he is resurrected from death to life. IMO, TK

[NickHassan]

Hi TK,
Man is body soul and spirit.
The plan of God is the salvation of the soul[1Peter]
Believing things does not make them true – that is the stuff of fairy tales.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Tim Kraft @ Nov. 22 2009,22:18)

A thought: Since spirit is eternal and we know it continues on after the physical body dies, then there is no resurrection of the spirit, it never died! The type of resurrection you are talking about could only be the physical body, thats the only part that dies and could be raised. By this criteria, Lazzrus was resurrected by Jesus. Jesus never did say he would be resurrected. Jesus said, "I am the resurrection and the life"! The words of God, throuth Jesus, are the resurrection from death to life for those who believe. If one believes he is dead in sin then he has not been resurrected to new sinless life. If one believes he is cleansed, sanctified and free of any sin through Jesus, then he is resurrected from death to life. IMO, TK

One thing for certain is resurrection is a physical thing but Lazarus wasn't resurrected he was "raised" from the dead

What I mean is the context in which these words are used when Jesus talks about people being resurrected he speaks about having a completely new body, Lazarus didn't have a new body and neither did Jesus so they would have been brought back to life in that sense but not in the context of THE RESURRECTION it is clear that Jesus did not have a new body as he showed thomas he was bearing scars

Their old body had not decayed and this shows that in this sense they were resucitated like someone who dies today and is brought back to life with the paddles. In THE RESURRECTION what was completely lost will be made whole again.

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
Jesus was resurrected into his old body to fulfil scripture[Acts 2] but now has a new heavenly one.
We follow him into his likeness at the sound of the trumpet.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 23 2009,07:10)

Hi BD, Jesus was resurrected into his old body to fulfil scripture[Acts 2] but now has a new heavenly one. We follow him into his likeness at the sound of the trumpet.

When was he given a new body as the scriptures say as you see him go he will return the "same"

Jesus didn't ascend to heaven in a resurrected body he ascended to heaven in a physical body just like Elijah did.

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
We are to be like to the man from heaven when we are given a new imperishable body.[1Cor15]

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
Which heaven of the three was Elijah taken up to?
The only time he is seen after that is on earth when Jesus went up the mountain.

[NickHassan]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 23 2009,08:03)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 23 2009,07:10) Hi BD, Jesus was resurrected into his old body to fulfil scripture[Acts 2] but now has a new heavenly one. We follow him into his likeness at the sound of the trumpet. When was he given a new body as the scriptures say as you see him go he will return the "same" Jesus didn't ascend to heaven in a resurrected body he ascended to heaven in a physical body just like Elijah did.

Hi BD,
I am glad you acknowledge that Jesus will return but it will be in the same WAY, not in the same form, he was seen to leave.[Acts1]

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 23 2009,08:17)

Hi BD, Which heaven of the three was Elijah taken up to? The only time he is seen after that is on earth when Jesus went up the mountain.

There is more than three there are 7

(12) The seven heavens and the earth, and all beings therein, declare His glory: there is not a thing but celebrates His praise; And yet ye understand not how they declare His glory! Verily He is Oft-Forbear, Most Forgiving!
( سورة الإسراء , Al-Isra, Chapter #17, Verse #44)

(15) Say: "Who is the Lord of the seven heavens, and the Lord of the Throne (of Glory) Supreme?"
( سورة المؤمنون , Al-Mumenoon, Chapter #23, Verse #86)

Yes, he was seen with Moses and Jesus it doesn't matter how far he went into heaven he certainly was taken up by God to heaven

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 23 2009,08:20)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 23 2009,08:03) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 23 2009,07:10) Hi BD, Jesus was resurrected into his old body to fulfil scripture[Acts 2] but now has a new heavenly one. We follow him into his likeness at the sound of the trumpet. When was he given a new body as the scriptures say as you see him go he will return the "same" Jesus didn't ascend to heaven in a resurrected body he ascended to heaven in a physical body just like Elijah did. Hi BD, I am glad you acknowledge that Jesus will return but it will be in the same WAY, not in the same form, he was seen to leave.[Acts1]

That's not what the scripture says

who also said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven.”
Acts 1:10-12

Also if Jesus had a different type of Body than he left with it wouldn't age but revelation speaks of a very aged Jesus

Revelation 1:13-15 (New King James Version)
13 and in the midst of the seven lampstands One like the Son of Man, clothed with a garment down to the feet and girded about the chest with a golden band. 14 His head and hair were white like wool, as white as snow, and His eyes like a flame of fire; 15 His feet were like fine brass, as if refined in a furnace, and His voice as the sound of many waters;

For this to be accurate it shows aging

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
Indeed he will return in the same manner as that by which he left.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 23 2009,11:35)

Hi BD, Indeed he will return in the same manner as that by which he left.

Flesh and bones, right?

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
No. As Jesus was taken up out of their sight so he will come back to earth.
Now dressed in an imperishable body he will rule.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 24 2009,04:59)

Hi BD, No. As Jesus was taken up out of their sight so he will come back to earth. Now dressed in an imperishable body he will rule.

If that is true why will he only rule for 1000 years?

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
Would you offer to rewrite the plan of God?

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 24 2009,05:17)

Hi BD, Would you offer to rewrite the plan of God?

Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
1 Corinthians 15:49-51

Jesus was flesh and blood and did inherit the Kingdom of God,right? Now how is it Paul says

For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
1 Corinthians 15:52-54

So flesh and blood can inherit the Kingdom of God.

Well you know Paul, right?

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
Did you see Jesus when he entered heaven?
Paul was not a liar.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 24 2009,15:13)

Hi BD, Did you see Jesus when he entered heaven? Paul was not a liar.

Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
1 Corinthians 15:49-51

For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
1 Corinthians 15:52-54

First he says corruption CANNOT Incorruption and then he say corruption CAN put on incorruption

Which one of these are true?

[Constitutionalist]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 24 2009,01:24)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 24 2009,15:13) Hi BD, Did you see Jesus when he entered heaven? Paul was not a liar. Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. 1 Corinthians 15:49-51 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 1 Corinthians 15:52-54 First he says corruption CANNOT Incorruption and then he say corruption CAN put on incorruption Which one of these are true?

I believe what it means is man in his sinful nature in his flesh and blood CANNOT automatically be inherient of incorruption by basically his own means. And that a process must incur and that process requires 'Elohim himself, only 'Elohim can reward corruption with incorruption, I hope you are following what I am trying to allude too here.

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