What religions are you posters? curious

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 20 2009,12:11)

Hi BD, The so called super apostles are not of the Spirit of Christ.

Who were the Apostle that Paul were talking about? Apostles of who?

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
Many were brought into the kingdom and the gifts were shared among them but not all lived in submission to God.

Presumption leads to iniquity.

[kerwin]

Bodhitharta wrote:

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I understand but Paul was talking about Peter and those disciples for a fact and it wasn't the first time.

I do believe that Paul at one time was judged by some in the Church at Corinth and his defense was to  compare himself to Peter and Jesus’ brothers but that is not what occurred in this case as he also taught a parallel lesson to the Galatians.

Galatians 1:6-9(NIV) reads:

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I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!

If you teach a perverted form of the gospel of Anointed One then you are teaching another Jesus though his name may be the same.

John teaches the same thing with these words.

1 John 4:1-6(NIV) reads:

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Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world. You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world. They are from the world and therefore speak from the viewpoint of the world, and the world listens to them. We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is not from God does not listen to us. This is how we recognize the Spirit of truth and the spirit of falsehood.

Paul also stated “if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received,”

[bodhitharta]

Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 20 2009,17:25)

Bodhitharta wrote: Quote I understand but Paul was talking about Peter and those disciples for a fact and it wasn't the first time. I do believe that Paul at one time was judged by some in the Church at Corinth and his defense was to  compare himself to Peter and Jesus’ brothers but that is not what occurred in this case as he also taught a parallel lesson to the Galatians. Galatians 1:6-9(NIV) reads: Quote I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned! If you teach a perverted form of the gospel of Anointed One then you are teaching another Jesus though his name may be the same. John teaches the same thing with these words. 1 John 4:1-6(NIV) reads: Quote Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world. You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world. They are from the world and therefore speak from the viewpoint of the world, and the world listens to them. We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is not from God does not listen to us. This is how we recognize the Spirit of truth and the spirit of falsehood. Paul also stated “if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received,”

Paul also says this:

2 Corinthians 11:4-7 (New King James Version)
4 For if he who comes preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or if you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted—you may well put up with it!

Is that what he said in Galatians?

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 20 2009,12:21)

Hi BD, Many were brought into the kingdom and the gifts were shared among them but not all lived in submission to God. Presumption leads to iniquity.

Why does Paul think he has the ability to turn people over to Satan

1 Timothy 1:20 (New King James Version)
20 of whom are Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I delivered to Satan that they may learn not to blaspheme.

1 Corinthians 5:5 (New King James Version)
5 deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.[a]

Jesus delivered from Satan

Luke 4:18 (New King James Version)
18 “ The Spirit of the LORD is upon Me,
Because He has anointed Me
To preach the gospel to the poor;
He has sent Me to heal the brokenhearted,[a]
To proclaim liberty to the captives
And recovery of sight to the blind,
To set at liberty those who are oppressed;

[kerwin]

Bodhitharta wrote:

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Paul also says this: 2 Corinthians 11:4-7 (New King James Version) 4 For if he who comes preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or if you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted—you may well put up with it! Is that what he said in Galatians?

The words, "I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— which is really no gospel at all.", sounds like a different way of making the same point.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 20 2009,18:41)

Bodhitharta wrote: Quote Paul also says this: 2 Corinthians 11:4-7 (New King James Version) 4 For if he who comes preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or if you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted—you may well put up with it! Is that what he said in Galatians? The words, "I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— which is really no gospel at all.", sounds like a different way of making the same point.

Are you saved by The grace of Christ? Or the Grace of God through Christ?

[kerwin]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 20 2009,14:05)

Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 20 2009,18:41) Bodhitharta wrote: Quote Paul also says this: 2 Corinthians 11:4-7 (New King James Version) 4 For if he who comes preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or if you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted—you may well put up with it! Is that what he said in Galatians? The words, "I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— which is really no gospel at all.", sounds like a different way of making the same point. Are you saved by The grace of Christ? Or the Grace of God through Christ?

I am not sure what you mean by "saved".  If you are speaking of salvation then it is not over until God judges the quick and the dead on judgment day.

The power is God's.  Jesus is only the King God placed on the throne of David.   Still God blesses those whom choose to obey all of Jesus' teachings.

So you can say one receives the spirit of holiness by the grace of God through faith in Jesus the Anointed One and if one lives by the spirit then they will inherit the kingdom of God.

I hope that answers your question.

[Ed J]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 20 2009,05:16)

to use as many here even call Satan "God" and using small letters such as "god" does not change the desecration.

Satan is called the god of this world, and that is who you offer here.

Gal.1:6-9 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 20 2009,20:49)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 20 2009,14:05) Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 20 2009,18:41) Bodhitharta wrote: Quote Paul also says this: 2 Corinthians 11:4-7 (New King James Version) 4 For if he who comes preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or if you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted—you may well put up with it! Is that what he said in Galatians? The words, "I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— which is really no gospel at all.", sounds like a different way of making the same point. Are you saved by The grace of Christ? Or the Grace of God through Christ? I am not sure what you mean by "saved".  If you are speaking of salvation then it is not over until God judges the quick and the dead on judgment day. The power is God's.  Jesus is only the King God placed on the throne of David.   Still God blesses those whom choose to obey all of Jesus' teachings. So you can say one receives the spirit of holiness by the grace of God through faith in Jesus the Anointed One and if one lives by the spirit then they will inherit the kingdom of God. I hope that answers your question.

No, I was specifying it was the GRACE of GOD and not the GRACE of CHRIST, but I thought your answer was exactly the way the scriptures speak of salvation and I'm glad you understand because many believe they are "saved" just because they read the "sinners prayer" and claim they've given their life to Christ

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 21 2009,00:30)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 20 2009,05:16) to use as many here even call Satan "God" and using small letters such as "god" does not change the desecration. Satan is called the god of this world, and that is who you offer here. Gal.1:6-9 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

Ed,

You should reread that and think. Paul does not teach the Gospel of the Kingdom of Heaven as Jesus did so what Gospel does Paul preach? He preaches "another gospel" and he already said about himself:

For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:
Romans 9:2-4

Also Paul says that Jesus appeared to him on the road to demascus as a Spirit but Jesus sid the next time he would appear on this earth he would be in the flesh and bones he left with, Ironically Paul says several times that Satan can appear as an angel of light and that satan can transform himself as an angel of light well, how does paul know that so well and why does Paul have Jesus quoting Pagan scripture

And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
Acts 9:4-6

When did Jesus go around putting scales on peoples eyes?

and delivering people to Satan?

Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme.
1 Timothy 1:19-20

How is it paul can deliver someone to Satan?

Doesn't Jesus deliver us FROM Satan?

And Why does Paul state that you will be judged according to HIS GOSPEL

In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
Romans 2:15-17

Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
Romans 16:24-26

Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel:
2 Timothy 2:7-9

Paul never mentions the virgin birth and instead says that

Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
Romans 1:2-4

Jesus was made the inheritor of David's throne according to the Spirit if you want to believe Jesus(I do)

Luke 20:43-47 (King James Version)

44 David therefore calleth him Lord, how is he then his son?

[peace2all]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 21 2009,03:51)

Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 21 2009,00:30) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 20 2009,05:16) to use as many here even call Satan "God" and using small letters such as "god" does not change the desecration. Satan is called the god of this world, and that is who you offer here. Gal.1:6-9 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. Ed, You should reread that and think. Paul does not teach the Gospel of the Kingdom of Heaven as Jesus did so what Gospel does Paul preach? He preaches "another gospel" and he already said about himself: For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh: Romans 9:2-4 Also Paul says that Jesus appeared to him on the road to demascus as a Spirit but Jesus sid the next time he would appear on this earth he would be in the flesh and bones he left with, Ironically Paul says several times that Satan can appear as an angel of light and that satan can transform himself as an angel of light well, how does paul know that so well and why does Paul have Jesus quoting Pagan scripture And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks. Acts 9:4-6 When did Jesus go around putting scales on peoples eyes? and delivering people to Satan? Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme. 1 Timothy 1:19-20 How is it paul can deliver someone to Satan? Doesn't Jesus deliver us FROM Satan? And Why does Paul state that you will be judged according to HIS GOSPEL In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel. Romans 2:15-17 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began, Romans 16:24-26 Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel: 2 Timothy 2:7-9 Paul never mentions the virgin birth and instead says that Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; Romans 1:2-4 Jesus was made the inheritor of David's throne according to the Spirit if you want to believe Jesus(I do) Luke 20:43-47 (King James Version) 44 David therefore calleth him Lord, how is he then his son?

– romans 1:15-17 :there is eagerness on my part to declare the good news for i am not ashamed of the good news it is in fact gods power for salvation to everyone having faith for in it gods rightousness is being revealed by rason of faith just as it is written . the bible is gods gospel it is his word. paul is in line to what it preaches through it. read and preach his good news, have faith. why are people arguing over such petty stupid things and trying to so disect the bible and argue for nothing. do you not see that what is needed is to do gods will with your whole heart and mind with pure faith from the heart. read his word have a relationship with himself and his sone and have faith. keep your eyes on that prize and all will follow without extra work.

[peace2all]

Quote (peace2all @ Nov. 21 2009,07:49)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 21 2009,03:51) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 21 2009,00:30) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 20 2009,05:16) to use as many here even call Satan "God" and using small letters such as "god" does not change the desecration. Satan is called the god of this world, and that is who you offer here. Gal.1:6-9 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. Ed, You should reread that and think. Paul does not teach the Gospel of the Kingdom of Heaven as Jesus did so what Gospel does Paul preach? He preaches "another gospel" and he already said about himself: For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh: Romans 9:2-4 Also Paul says that Jesus appeared to him on the road to demascus as a Spirit but Jesus sid the next time he would appear on this earth he would be in the flesh and bones he left with, Ironically Paul says several times that Satan can appear as an angel of light and that satan can transform himself as an angel of light well, how does paul know that so well and why does Paul have Jesus quoting Pagan scripture And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks. Acts 9:4-6 When did Jesus go around putting scales on peoples eyes? and delivering people to Satan? Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme. 1 Timothy 1:19-20 How is it paul can deliver someone to Satan? Doesn't Jesus deliver us FROM Satan? And Why does Paul state that you will be judged according to HIS GOSPEL In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel. Romans 2:15-17 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began, Romans 16:24-26 Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel: 2 Timothy 2:7-9 Paul never mentions the virgin birth and instead says that Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; Romans 1:2-4 Jesus was made the inheritor of David's throne according to the Spirit if you want to believe Jesus(I do) Luke 20:43-47 (King James Version) 44 David therefore calleth him Lord, how is he then his son? – romans 1:15-17 :there is eagerness on my part to declare the good news for i am not ashamed of the good news it is in fact gods power for salvation to everyone having faith for in it gods rightousness is being revealed by rason of faith just as it is written .  the bible is gods gospel it is his word. paul is in line to what it preaches through it. read and preach his good news, have faith. why are people arguing over such petty stupid things and trying to so disect the bible and argue for nothing. do you not see that what is needed is to do gods will with your whole heart and mind with pure faith from the heart. read his word have a relationship with himself and his sone and have faith. keep your eyes on that prize and all will follow without extra work.

he did mention the kingdom in 2 timothy 4:18 / 1 corinthians15:50 . from my understanding paul did write those books also.

[Ed J]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 21 2009,03:51)

Doesn't Jesus deliver us FROM Satan?

Hi BD,

Jesus does deliver people from Satan; and that is why He died for your sins(Gospel).
Heb.9:22: …without shedding of (Jesus)blood is no remission(for your sins).

Yet you continue to reject the Gospel.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (peace2all @ Nov. 21 2009,07:49)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 21 2009,03:51) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 21 2009,00:30) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 20 2009,05:16) to use as many here even call Satan "God" and using small letters such as "god" does not change the desecration. Satan is called the god of this world, and that is who you offer here. Gal.1:6-9 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. Ed, You should reread that and think. Paul does not teach the Gospel of the Kingdom of Heaven as Jesus did so what Gospel does Paul preach? He preaches "another gospel" and he already said about himself: For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh: Romans 9:2-4 Also Paul says that Jesus appeared to him on the road to demascus as a Spirit but Jesus sid the next time he would appear on this earth he would be in the flesh and bones he left with, Ironically Paul says several times that Satan can appear as an angel of light and that satan can transform himself as an angel of light well, how does paul know that so well and why does Paul have Jesus quoting Pagan scripture And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks. Acts 9:4-6 When did Jesus go around putting scales on peoples eyes? and delivering people to Satan? Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme. 1 Timothy 1:19-20 How is it paul can deliver someone to Satan? Doesn't Jesus deliver us FROM Satan? And Why does Paul state that you will be judged according to HIS GOSPEL In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel. Romans 2:15-17 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began, Romans 16:24-26 Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel: 2 Timothy 2:7-9 Paul never mentions the virgin birth and instead says that Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; Romans 1:2-4 Jesus was made the inheritor of David's throne according to the Spirit if you want to believe Jesus(I do) Luke 20:43-47 (King James Version) 44 David therefore calleth him Lord, how is he then his son? – romans 1:15-17 :there is eagerness on my part to declare the good news for i am not ashamed of the good news it is in fact gods power for salvation to everyone having faith for in it gods rightousness is being revealed by rason of faith just as it is written .  the bible is gods gospel it is his word. paul is in line to what it preaches through it. read and preach his good news, have faith. why are people arguing over such petty stupid things and trying to so disect the bible and argue for nothing. do you not see that what is needed is to do gods will with your whole heart and mind with pure faith from the heart. read his word have a relationship with himself and his sone and have faith. keep your eyes on that prize and all will follow without extra work.

I agree with you! But then if you believe that then why did you critisize my relationship with God when all I said was we should love God with all our heart , Mind and Soul and believe in all the messengers and His Christ? Was your eyes not on the prize?

[bodhitharta]

Quote (peace2all @ Nov. 21 2009,08:06)

Quote (peace2all @ Nov. 21 2009,07:49) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 21 2009,03:51) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 21 2009,00:30) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 20 2009,05:16) to use as many here even call Satan "God" and using small letters such as "god" does not change the desecration. Satan is called the god of this world, and that is who you offer here. Gal.1:6-9 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. Ed, You should reread that and think. Paul does not teach the Gospel of the Kingdom of Heaven as Jesus did so what Gospel does Paul preach? He preaches "another gospel" and he already said about himself: For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh: Romans 9:2-4 Also Paul says that Jesus appeared to him on the road to demascus as a Spirit but Jesus sid the next time he would appear on this earth he would be in the flesh and bones he left with, Ironically Paul says several times that Satan can appear as an angel of light and that satan can transform himself as an angel of light well, how does paul know that so well and why does Paul have Jesus quoting Pagan scripture And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks. Acts 9:4-6 When did Jesus go around putting scales on peoples eyes? and delivering people to Satan? Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme. 1 Timothy 1:19-20 How is it paul can deliver someone to Satan? Doesn't Jesus deliver us FROM Satan? And Why does Paul state that you will be judged according to HIS GOSPEL In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel. Romans 2:15-17 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began, Romans 16:24-26 Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel: 2 Timothy 2:7-9 Paul never mentions the virgin birth and instead says that Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; Romans 1:2-4 Jesus was made the inheritor of David's throne according to the Spirit if you want to believe Jesus(I do) Luke 20:43-47 (King James Version) 44 David therefore calleth him Lord, how is he then his son? – romans 1:15-17 :there is eagerness on my part to declare the good news for i am not ashamed of the good news it is in fact gods power for salvation to everyone having faith for in it gods rightousness is being revealed by rason of faith just as it is written .  the bible is gods gospel it is his word. paul is in line to what it preaches through it. read and preach his good news, have faith. why are people arguing over such petty stupid things and trying to so disect the bible and argue for nothing. do you not see that what is needed is to do gods will with your whole heart and mind with pure faith from the heart. read his word have a relationship with himself and his sone and have faith. keep your eyes on that prize and all will follow without extra work. he did mention the kingdom in  2 timothy 4:18 / 1 corinthians15:50 . from my understanding paul did write those books also.

Mentioning is not preaching about the Gospel of the Kingdom of Heaven

[Ed J]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 21 2009,11:07)

Quote (peace2all @ Nov. 21 2009,07:49) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 21 2009,03:51) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 21 2009,00:30) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 20 2009,05:16) to use as many here even call Satan "God" and using small letters such as "god" does not change the desecration. Satan is called the god of this world, and that is who you offer here. Gal.1:6-9 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. Doesn't Jesus deliver us FROM Satan? do you not see that what is needed is to do gods will with your whole heart and mind with pure faith from the heart. read his word have a relationship with himself and his sone and have faith. keep your eyes on that prize and all will follow without extra work. I agree with you! But then if you believe that then why did you critisize my relationship with God when all I said was we should love God with all our heart , Mind and Soul and believe in all the messengers and His Christ? Was your eyes not on the prize?

Hi BD,

Then why do you preach a different Jesus?
One that is antichrist

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 21 2009,12:11)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 21 2009,11:07) Quote (peace2all @ Nov. 21 2009,07:49) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 21 2009,03:51) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 21 2009,00:30) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 20 2009,05:16) to use as many here even call Satan "God" and using small letters such as "god" does not change the desecration. Satan is called the god of this world, and that is who you offer here. Gal.1:6-9 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. Doesn't Jesus deliver us FROM Satan? do you not see that what is needed is to do gods will with your whole heart and mind with pure faith from the heart. read his word have a relationship with himself and his sone and have faith. keep your eyes on that prize and all will follow without extra work. I agree with you! But then if you believe that then why did you critisize my relationship with God when all I said was we should love God with all our heart , Mind and Soul and believe in all the messengers and His Christ? Was your eyes not on the prize? Hi BD, Then why do you preach a different Jesus? One that is antichrist

The only Jesus I preach about is the One God sent

[peace2all]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 21 2009,11:07)

Quote (peace2all @ Nov. 21 2009,07:49) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 21 2009,03:51) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 21 2009,00:30) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 20 2009,05:16) to use as many here even call Satan "God" and using small letters such as "god" does not change the desecration. Satan is called the god of this world, and that is who you offer here. Gal.1:6-9 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. Ed, You should reread that and think. Paul does not teach the Gospel of the Kingdom of Heaven as Jesus did so what Gospel does Paul preach? He preaches "another gospel" and he already said about himself: For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh: Romans 9:2-4 Also Paul says that Jesus appeared to him on the road to demascus as a Spirit but Jesus sid the next time he would appear on this earth he would be in the flesh and bones he left with, Ironically Paul says several times that Satan can appear as an angel of light and that satan can transform himself as an angel of light well, how does paul know that so well and why does Paul have Jesus quoting Pagan scripture And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks. Acts 9:4-6 When did Jesus go around putting scales on peoples eyes? and delivering people to Satan? Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme. 1 Timothy 1:19-20 How is it paul can deliver someone to Satan? Doesn't Jesus deliver us FROM Satan? And Why does Paul state that you will be judged according to HIS GOSPEL In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel. Romans 2:15-17 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began, Romans 16:24-26 Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel: 2 Timothy 2:7-9 Paul never mentions the virgin birth and instead says that Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; Romans 1:2-4 Jesus was made the inheritor of David's throne according to the Spirit if you want to believe Jesus(I do) Luke 20:43-47 (King James Version) 44 David therefore calleth him Lord, how is he then his son? – romans 1:15-17 :there is eagerness on my part to declare the good news for i am not ashamed of the good news it is in fact gods power for salvation to everyone having faith for in it gods rightousness is being revealed by rason of faith just as it is written .  the bible is gods gospel it is his word. paul is in line to what it preaches through it. read and preach his good news, have faith. why are people arguing over such petty stupid things and trying to so disect the bible and argue for nothing. do you not see that what is needed is to do gods will with your whole heart and mind with pure faith from the heart. read his word have a relationship with himself and his sone and have faith. keep your eyes on that prize and all will follow without extra work. I agree with you! But then if you believe that then why did you critisize my relationship with God when all I said was we should love God with all our heart , Mind and Soul and believe in all the messengers and His Christ? Was your eyes not on the prize?

i don't recall critizing you. all that i've said was when we have talked about a cetain tops and scriptures that are laid out for you in detail with no way to not understand or argue about what it clearly says you have and denied and also gone off topic to things not relating to the topic. you have mentioned you worship jesus as god. that is not what the almighty god has said, you must only worship the one true god, jesus is not ment to be worshiped as a god.
if one mentions the same things as spoken from jesus, puts them on the same union as gods & with jesus and it should be with us. we are all considered his sons. do you think it was possible that pauls mission from god was not to exactly preach word for word or the exact same footsteps in life as jesus. maybe he is to teach man something else by his actions and words, you don't know. plus there is no reason to even want to question or argue such trivial things.that is not the issue and goal at hand for mankind. god has from the beginning tried to stear and tell us what is needed. we for some reason are trying to devide ourselves and set ourselves as strangers and foreigners to one another but we are all sons we are all supposed to be on that same path. when people argue and fight about issues that are not true doctrines and teachings of the bible and just accept it because it has been a tradition for centuries and just dont want to change ways or want to be told or shown that some things are not so is not productive. there are few things in the christian religion – what im talking about that are what seperate us from being whole. ex: trinity- there are many many scriptures that specifically state that jesus and god are not the same, that they are not equal, that they are not one, yet that man made doctrine mind you added 3-4 centuries after christs death is still here and has to be imagined and have ones own perceptions or ideas entered into the equation to try to make it so. it is not taught as what is our things that god requires of us. then the whole cross debate. nowhere does it say to worship it as it is so today, but the bible says to not worship false gods or idols or icons yet man does. then the issue of holidays of today – they are all originated from pagan solastice worship. from what i know of the bible that is a very big NONO, yet it is popular because man incorperated it into the word and thus religion. and the argumnet of bible version – ive got 7 and they are teh same message from what ive compared, one might use old english and harder to use langusge but they are all interpretations translated from the original manuscript therefore one is not more accurate or better than another, w
e don't live in olden times and having one translated to modern english is still worthy. there are a few more but those are the big issues i think. it is better to safeguard oneself then to not do gods will by doing things not scriptual sound or even detested by god. we were all given rightousness back through jesus and we must now do our part in having a relationship with him and his son and to have faithand repent our evil ways. these things have to be pure from heart and pure of mind, he knows us and we cannot fool him. we are all gods sons and when we do those things genuinely, all other things will follow and our actions and speech and works will reflect that. our fleshy actions will not ever help us towrds god – its only thru faith and wanting a relationship that helps- jesus did the hard part he made it right again we just need to walk the path. thanks!

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Quote (peace2all @ Nov. 21 2009,13:08)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 21 2009,11:07) Quote (peace2all @ Nov. 21 2009,07:49) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 21 2009,03:51) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 21 2009,00:30) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 20 2009,05:16) to use as many here even call Satan "God" and using small letters such as "god" does not change the desecration. Satan is called the god of this world, and that is who you offer here. Gal.1:6-9 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. Ed, You should reread that and think. Paul does not teach the Gospel of the Kingdom of Heaven as Jesus did so what Gospel does Paul preach? He preaches "another gospel" and he already said about himself: For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh: Romans 9:2-4 Also Paul says that Jesus appeared to him on the road to demascus as a Spirit but Jesus sid the next time he would appear on this earth he would be in the flesh and bones he left with, Ironically Paul says several times that Satan can appear as an angel of light and that satan can transform himself as an angel of light well, how does paul know that so well and why does Paul have Jesus quoting Pagan scripture And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks. Acts 9:4-6 When did Jesus go around putting scales on peoples eyes? and delivering people to Satan? Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme. 1 Timothy 1:19-20 How is it paul can deliver someone to Satan? Doesn't Jesus deliver us FROM Satan? And Why does Paul state that you will be judged according to HIS GOSPEL In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel. Romans 2:15-17 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began, Romans 16:24-26 Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel: 2 Timothy 2:7-9 Paul never mentions the virgin birth and instead says that Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; Romans 1:2-4 Jesus was made the inheritor of David's throne according to the Spirit if you want to believe Jesus(I do) Luke 20:43-47 (King James Version) 44 David therefore calleth him Lord, how is he then his son? – romans 1:15-17 :there is eagerness on my part to declare the good news for i am not ashamed of the good news it is in fact gods power for salvation to everyone having faith for in it gods rightousness is being revealed by rason of faith just as it is written .  the bible is gods gospel it is his word. paul is in line to what it preaches through it. read and preach his good news, have faith. why are people arguing over such petty stupid things and trying to so disect the bible and argue for nothing. do you not see that what is needed is to do gods will with your whole heart and mind with pure faith from the heart. read his word have a relationship with himself and his sone and have faith. keep your eyes on that prize and all will follow without extra work. I agree with you! But then if you believe that then why did you critisize my relationship with God when all I said was we should love God with all our heart , Mind and Soul and believe in all the messengers and His Christ? Was your eyes not on the prize? i don't recall critizing you. all that i've said was when we have talked about a cetain tops and scriptures that are laid out for you in detail with no way to not understand or argue about what it clearly says you have and denied and also gone off topic to things not relating to the topic. you have mentioned you worship jesus as god. that is not what the almighty god has said, you must only worship the one true god, jesus is not ment to be worshiped as a god. if one mentions the same things as spoken from jesus, puts them on the same union as gods & with jesus and it should be with us. we are all considered his sons. do you think it was possible that pauls mission from god was not to exactly preach word for word or the exact same footsteps in life as jesus. maybe he is to teach man something else by his actions and words, you don't know. plus there is no reason to even want to question or argue such trivial things.that is not the issue and goal at hand for mankind. god has from the beginning tried to stear and tell us what is needed. we for some reason are trying to devide ourselves and set ourselves as strangers and foreigners to one another but we are all sons we are all supposed to be on that same path. when people argue and fight about issues that are not true doctrines and teachings of the bible and just accept it because it has been a tradition for centuries and just dont want to change ways or want to be told or shown that some things are not so is not productive. there are few things in the christian religion – what im talking about that are what seperate us from being whole. ex: trinity- there are many many scriptures that specifically state that jesus and god are not the same, that they are not equal, that they are not one, yet that man made doctrine mind you added 3-4 centuries after christs death is still here and has to be imagined and have ones own perceptions or ideas entered into the equation to try to make it so. it is not taught as what is our things that god requires of us. then the whole cross debate. nowhere does it say to worship it as it is so today, but the bible says to not worship false gods or idols or icons yet man does. then the issue of holidays of today – they are all originated from pagan solastice worship. from what i know of the bible that is a very big NONO, yet it is popular because man incorperated it into the word and thus religion. and the argumnet of bible version – ive got 7 and they are teh same message from what ive c ompared, one might use old english and harder to use langusge but they are all interpretations translated from the original manuscript therefore one is not more accurate or better than another, we don't live in olden times and having one translated to modern english is still worthy.  there are a few more but those are the big issues i think. it is better to safeguard oneself then to not do gods will by doing things not scriptual sound or even detested by god. we were all given rightousness back through jesus and we must now do our part in having a relationship with him and his son and to have faithand repent our evil ways. these things have to be pure from heart and pure of mind, he knows us and we cannot fool him. we are all gods sons and when we do those things genuinely, all other things will follow and our actions and speech and works will reflect that. our fleshy actions will not ever help us towrds god – its only thru faith and wanting a relationship that helps- jesus did the hard part he made it right again we just need to walk the path. thanks!

I have never said I worship Jesus as God

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