What religions are you posters? curious

[bodhitharta]

Quote (942767 @ Nov. 19 2009,13:48)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 19 2009,13:15) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 19 2009,09:37) Hi BD, You have no respect for the God of Israel and even offer improvements on His teachings. Anathema. Nick, I WORSHIP THE GOD of ISREAL , THE GOD OF ALL FLESH What part of that you disagree with? Are you trying to steal GLORY from God? Hi BD: This what Jesus said:   Quote Jhn 4:22   Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.   Jhn 4:23   But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.   Jhn 4:24   God [is] a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship [him] in spirit and in truth.   Jhn 4:25   The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.   Jhn 4:26   Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am [he]. Jhn 14:6   Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. It is impossible for anyone to worship God in spirit and in truth if one has not believe the truth and one's sins have not been washed away by the blood of "the lamb of God" Love in Christ, Marty

"SALVATION IS OF THE JEWS"

What are you talking about Jews don't believe in human sacrifice.

What do you think Jesus meant when he says "SALVATION IS OF THE JEWS"?

Was he talking about himself in the plural?

[bodhitharta]

Quote (peace2all @ Nov. 19 2009,14:23)

Quote (Tim Kraft @ Nov. 18 2009,09:19) Quote (peace2all @ Nov. 17 2009,14:42) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 17 2009,12:58) Quote (peace2all @ Nov. 17 2009,12:52) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 17 2009,12:43) Hi BD, James tells us about where sin begins. From OUR lusts. adam and eve instead of ignoring wrongful thoughts instead nourished selfish desires and there acts of sin were resulted. so now when we are born our desires are inclined to do what is sinful thats why its so hard to do whats right. life is hard without gods guidance to keep doing unsinful things. born in sin not of sin. So you agree that they already had the same selfish desires that everyone had after them, right? So that would mean they were created that way. No one is born with a mind doomed to make bad decisions it simply is not true. romans 5:12. we inherited there imperfections, they did not need to have jesus sacrifice his life for them because they were perfect. free of sin and ddeath. after thier act of sin they were imperfect and cast out of the garden thus all there offspring from then forth are born in sin sinners we are becasue we die. thanks. don't fret if you do gods will and repent and accept jesus you will be part of his original plan.   . so keep seeking the truth and it will come to you just don't fight it, accept it and keep growing in knowledge. stay away from mans doctrines and falsehoods or the truth will be hard to find or accept peacetoall: The word "sin" and the word "Satan" and the word "Devil" were not in the story of the garden of eden in Genesis! Not in the KJV! Bod is on target IMO. TK Tim its because you choose not to accept. in what you had from previous quotes said nothing of satan or devil, but i did mention sin. so who was the serpent? is satan called the father of the lie? when was death first handed down to man? as you well know scriptures throughout hte bible interact and support other scriptures thats the great thing about the bible it will hold fast to prove things within it so as to fortify the truth of such writings. romans does a fine job with that topic. because adam & eve were the first ones to offically receive death as it states and it is thus created sin law within the world ad given down to all men. satan is the father of the lie and that time in eden in the beginning was the first written lie thus he is the father having born or created the lie. you both argue and ignore thruth which you should be embrassing if it is what you really seek. why ignore or add comments that have no bearing to the truth that is written. romans 5:12,13 completely tells us the origin of sin what it has done to those after adam & eve. some poeple do not want to learn or be taught, but want to be the teachers, they  want to save face or don't want to accept that what they know is not all truth. fighting what the scriptures show is counter productive. start praying to god for his holy spirit to help you gain a better understanding of the scriptures and god will help you to stop fighting and ignoring it and your eyes will open.

You don't make any sanse if man was made immortal there would not have been a tree of life in the garden, therefore Man was made in a mortal state.

You fight what the scripture clearly shows, man was made mortal.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 19 2009,14:25)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 19 2009,13:15) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 19 2009,09:37) Hi BD, You have no respect for the God of Israel and even offer improvements on His teachings. Anathema. Nick, I WORSHIP THE GOD of ISREAL , THE GOD OF ALL FLESH What part of that you disagree with? Are you trying to steal GLORY from God? Hi BD, You prefer the teachings of another.

Is there another God?

I don't know what you believe you have told me of several gods I only know of ONE GOD.

Would God like you speaking of other gods as though there is another creator.

Can anyone actually have another God?

Sure they can worship others as god but can there objects of worship actually be God.

You claim I have some other God because I won't worship Jesus as God and insist on only calling him CHRIST but really Nick that is who Jesus is, The Christ.

[942767]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 19 2009,15:44)

Quote (942767 @ Nov. 19 2009,13:48) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 19 2009,13:15) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 19 2009,09:37) Hi BD, You have no respect for the God of Israel and even offer improvements on His teachings. Anathema. Nick, I WORSHIP THE GOD of ISREAL , THE GOD OF ALL FLESH What part of that you disagree with? Are you trying to steal GLORY from God? Hi BD: This what Jesus said:   Quote Jhn 4:22   Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.   Jhn 4:23   But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.   Jhn 4:24   God [is] a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship [him] in spirit and in truth.   Jhn 4:25   The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.   Jhn 4:26   Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am [he]. Jhn 14:6   Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. It is impossible for anyone to worship God in spirit and in truth if one has not believe the truth and one's sins have not been washed away by the blood of "the lamb of God" Love in Christ, Marty "SALVATION IS OF THE JEWS" What are you talking about Jews don't believe in human sacrifice. What do you think Jesus meant when he says "SALVATION IS OF THE JEWS"? Was he talking about himself in the plural?

Hi BD:

Jesus is a Jew from the lineage of David after the flesh.

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Deu 18:18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. Deu 18:19 And it shall come to pass, [that] whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require [it] of him. Deu 18:20 But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[bodhitharta]

Quote (peace2all @ Nov. 19 2009,14:43)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 19 2009,14:25) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 19 2009,13:15) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 19 2009,09:37) Hi BD, You have no respect for the God of Israel and even offer improvements on His teachings. Anathema. Nick, I WORSHIP THE GOD of ISREAL , THE GOD OF ALL FLESH What part of that you disagree with? Are you trying to steal GLORY from God? Hi BD, You prefer the teachings of another. BD from some of the things you write and the ignoring of scriptures its hard to know what you believe. sounds like you really don't understand scriptures and you go out on these wild paths of unsound questions, lots of doubt and in some cases you answer that god would or wouldn;t do something. why you would think you know what he would do or not is crazy. possibly you need guidence in scriptual understanding, no big deal we all need it but to never accept the truth and only what you think and not biblical writtings is not going to help you at all. but maybe you don't care. some are here to do harm, mislead, confuse – satans works in all ways

The Holy Bible does say that God hates human sacrifice, am I wrong?

[peace2all]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 19 2009,15:54)

Quote (peace2all @ Nov. 19 2009,14:43) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 19 2009,14:25) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 19 2009,13:15) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 19 2009,09:37) Hi BD, You have no respect for the God of Israel and even offer improvements on His teachings. Anathema. Nick, I WORSHIP THE GOD of ISREAL , THE GOD OF ALL FLESH What part of that you disagree with? Are you trying to steal GLORY from God? Hi BD, You prefer the teachings of another. BD from some of the things you write and the ignoring of scriptures its hard to know what you believe. sounds like you really don't understand scriptures and you go out on these wild paths of unsound questions, lots of doubt and in some cases you answer that god would or wouldn;t do something. why you would think you know what he would do or not is crazy. possibly you need guidence in scriptual understanding, no big deal we all need it but to never accept the truth and only what you think and not biblical writtings is not going to help you at all. but maybe you don't care. some are here to do harm, mislead, confuse – satans works in all ways The Holy Bible does say that God hates human sacrifice, am I wrong?

BD you make me laugh, you are so out there. death was not handed to man until they disobeyed gods law, it then was handed down, you are trying to evade the truth tht is written your arguing about nothing to prove a point that leads to nowhere. your questioning god with your questions. immortal mortal, you go off on the subject at hand "sin" it states death was only given to man after the act of sin. before that they were perfect. keep throwing out there things so you come to only your understanding, like i said there are people who don't use scriptures and only offer their own ideas and don't care to learn but to mislead or confuse. you don''t want truth so good luck to you. your like a child with no understanding of anything and keep asking questions but not listening or caring for the truth written in your face. by your re questioning everything with no backing is making out god to be a lier and that bible is not sending out its message. god luck to you. from what you write you do not believe anything in the bible at all. go write your own bible what you only believe it will serve you best leave gods bible to those who believe. thanks

[peace2all]

BD i don't even where your questions come from or where you want to go with them? you ask random questions anda do not lead to what your wanting to know or prove. what do you believe in ? since you denounce all scriptually quoted verses shown. you'd fit in great with catholic church, they dont preach with scriptures and you can do anything you want as long as you do your hail marry and give money.

[NickHassan]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 19 2009,15:52)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 19 2009,14:25) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 19 2009,13:15) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 19 2009,09:37) Hi BD, You have no respect for the God of Israel and even offer improvements on His teachings. Anathema. Nick, I WORSHIP THE GOD of ISREAL , THE GOD OF ALL FLESH What part of that you disagree with? Are you trying to steal GLORY from God? Hi BD, You prefer the teachings of another. Is there another God? I don't know what you believe you have told me of several gods I only know of ONE GOD. Would God like you speaking of other gods as though there is another creator. Can anyone actually have another God? Sure they can worship others as god but can there objects of worship actually be God. You claim I have some other God because I won't worship Jesus as God and insist on only calling him CHRIST but really Nick that is who Jesus is, The Christ.

Hi BD,
There is one God for us but men keep designing their own.
The harsh god of islam is very popular.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (peace2all @ Nov. 19 2009,16:30)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 19 2009,15:54) Quote (peace2all @ Nov. 19 2009,14:43) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 19 2009,14:25) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 19 2009,13:15) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 19 2009,09:37) Hi BD, You have no respect for the God of Israel and even offer improvements on His teachings. Anathema. Nick, I WORSHIP THE GOD of ISREAL , THE GOD OF ALL FLESH What part of that you disagree with? Are you trying to steal GLORY from God? Hi BD, You prefer the teachings of another. BD from some of the things you write and the ignoring of scriptures its hard to know what you believe. sounds like you really don't understand scriptures and you go out on these wild paths of unsound questions, lots of doubt and in some cases you answer that god would or wouldn;t do something. why you would think you know what he would do or not is crazy. possibly you need guidence in scriptual understanding, no big deal we all need it but to never accept the truth and only what you think and not biblical writtings is not going to help you at all. but maybe you don't care. some are here to do harm, mislead, confuse – satans works in all ways The Holy Bible does say that God hates human sacrifice, am I wrong? BD you make me laugh, you are so out there. death was not handed to man until they disobeyed gods law, it then was handed down, you are trying to evade the truth tht is written your arguing about nothing to prove a point that leads to nowhere. your questioning god with your questions. immortal mortal, you go off on the subject at hand "sin" it states death was only given to man after the act of sin. before that they were perfect. keep throwing out there things so you come to only your understanding, like i said there are people who don't use scriptures and only offer their own ideas and don't care to learn but to mislead or confuse. you don''t want truth so good luck to you. your like a child with no understanding of anything and keep asking questions but not listening or caring for the truth written in your face. by your re questioning everything with no backing is making out god to be a lier and that bible is not sending out its message. god luck to you. from what you write you do not believe anything in the bible at all. go write your own bible what you only believe it will serve you best leave gods bible to those who believe. thanks

What do you mean can you tell me where God told Adam he was made to live forever on earth? Why was there a tree of life in the garden if they were created perfect with immortality, does that make sense to you?

I believe Jesus is The Christ, do you believe that?

I believe he was sent from God, do you believe that?

I believe you must accept and believe all of God's prophets and His Christ, do you believe that?

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 19 2009,16:46)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 19 2009,15:52) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 19 2009,14:25) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 19 2009,13:15) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 19 2009,09:37) Hi BD, You have no respect for the God of Israel and even offer improvements on His teachings. Anathema. Nick, I WORSHIP THE GOD of ISREAL , THE GOD OF ALL FLESH What part of that you disagree with? Are you trying to steal GLORY from God? Hi BD, You prefer the teachings of another. Is there another God? I don't know what you believe you have told me of several gods I only know of ONE GOD. Would God like you speaking of other gods as though there is another creator. Can anyone actually have another God? Sure they can worship others as god but can there objects of worship actually be God. You claim I have some other God because I won't worship Jesus as God and insist on only calling him CHRIST but really Nick that is who Jesus is, The Christ. Hi BD, There is one God for us but men keep designing their own. The harsh god of islam is very popular.

Wow!, I am sure glad you finally concede that there is only one God, now the next step is you must give up the idea that anyone or any religion can have any other God because you know God is the God of ALL Flesh, once you understand that then you can get to the most honest thing you can say and that is "I don't agree with what you claim to know about God"

Then you can explain and I can explain and in the end we may have common beliefs but we may have unresolveable conflicts that only God can know and that He can decide between us on the day of Judgement.

But to keep insulting God and The Sovereign Nature of God is not befitting any believer.

Consider someone critisizing God out of ignorance and finding out what they were really Mocking was God, How Shameful!

Because whether Jews, Christians or Muslims are right or wrong there is no God over each of them There is One God over all of them.

Did you ever read Jehovah or YHWH at all in the NT?

We Know that YHWH is referred to as "God" and "Father" in the NT but we know they are the same God and it is the same in any other language so speaking against "God" as pronounced in another language such as ALLAH is mocking God nonetheless

French Dieu
German Gott
Czech Bůh
Spanish Dios

All these are names of God. the only difference is in Arabic ALLAH means THE GOD as in ONLY

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
Your god is not our God.
Your teachings are not our teachings.
You offer a strange god and we abhor strange gods.

[kerwin]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 19 2009,15:04)

Hi BD, Your god is not our God. Your teachings are not our teachings. You offer a strange god and we abhor strange gods.

Are all Jesuses the same Jesus?

Are all Anointed Ones the same Anointed Ones?

2 Corinthians 11:4(KJV) reads:

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For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

[Tim Kraft]

Quote (peace2all @ Nov. 19 2009,14:23)

Quote (Tim Kraft @ Nov. 18 2009,09:19) Quote (peace2all @ Nov. 17 2009,14:42) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 17 2009,12:58) Quote (peace2all @ Nov. 17 2009,12:52) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 17 2009,12:43) Hi BD, James tells us about where sin begins. From OUR lusts. adam and eve instead of ignoring wrongful thoughts instead nourished selfish desires and there acts of sin were resulted. so now when we are born our desires are inclined to do what is sinful thats why its so hard to do whats right. life is hard without gods guidance to keep doing unsinful things. born in sin not of sin. So you agree that they already had the same selfish desires that everyone had after them, right? So that would mean they were created that way. No one is born with a mind doomed to make bad decisions it simply is not true. romans 5:12. we inherited there imperfections, they did not need to have jesus sacrifice his life for them because they were perfect. free of sin and ddeath. after thier act of sin they were imperfect and cast out of the garden thus all there offspring from then forth are born in sin sinners we are becasue we die. thanks. don't fret if you do gods will and repent and accept jesus you will be part of his original plan.   . so keep seeking the truth and it will come to you just don't fight it, accept it and keep growing in knowledge. stay away from mans doctrines and falsehoods or the truth will be hard to find or accept peacetoall: The word "sin" and the word "Satan" and the word "Devil" were not in the story of the garden of eden in Genesis! Not in the KJV! Bod is on target IMO. TK Tim its because you choose not to accept. in what you had from previous quotes said nothing of satan or devil, but i did mention sin. so who was the serpent? is satan called the father of the lie? when was death first handed down to man? as you well know scriptures throughout hte bible interact and support other scriptures thats the great thing about the bible it will hold fast to prove things within it so as to fortify the truth of such writings. romans does a fine job with that topic. because adam & eve were the first ones to offically receive death as it states and it is thus created sin law within the world ad given down to all men. satan is the father of the lie and that time in eden in the beginning was the first written lie thus he is the father having born or created the lie. you both argue and ignore thruth which you should be embrassing if it is what you really seek. why ignore or add comments that have no bearing to the truth that is written. romans 5:12,13 completely tells us the origin of sin what it has done to those after adam & eve. some poeple do not want to learn or be taught, but want to be the teachers, they  want to save face or don't want to accept that what they know is not all truth. fighting what the scriptures show is counter productive. start praying to god for his holy spirit to help you gain a better understanding of the scriptures and god will help you to stop fighting and ignoring it and your eyes will open.

peace2all: In reading the post you wrote I truly did not feel peace from your words. Maybe I read it wrong.
To say I do not accept satan or the devil or sin is probably pretty close to true! I do not accept lies, untruth or beliefs that would separate me from the source of creation, Allah or God the indescribable force of life.
I made a statement of truth that those words are not in the KJV Bible in the Garden of Eden. Maybe you should at least look up the word "serpent" and see if it is described as the devil or satan.
Adam and Eve did not receive death until after they had chosen to believe or partake of death. They chose!
I am still searching for the truth from God about sin! If you know it like you said you do please clue me in.Did you know that the word sin was used twice in Gen in the first 18chapters and maybe the entire book of Gen.
If sin is an action that we do then how can we be born in sin?
If sin is a belief in something that seemingly separates us from God then a baby still could not be born into a belief that he is unable to choose.
If sin is a mistaken belief by mankind that anything we do could possibly separate us from a God who is everywhere, would be a more likely choice. Then a child would be born into a sin filled(mistaken of the truth) world, not born into a sinful nature. A persons nature doesn't change from a human being to something else. You can't change the nature of one animal into another type of animal. We were born into a religiously error filled world that taught sin and separation from God which was lies, and un-truth.
If you had known the truth of my 30year endeavor(20years by myself with no church affiliation) to learn the truth of God, I don't believe you would have hurt my feelings by saying "some people do not want to learn or be taught" and I attempt to be "counter productive" and more.
God Bless you and yours, TK

[bodhitharta]

Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 19 2009,22:07)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 19 2009,15:04) Hi BD, Your god is not our God. Your teachings are not our teachings. You offer a strange god and we abhor strange gods. Are all Jesuses the same Jesus? Are all Anointed Ones the same Anointed Ones? 2 Corinthians 11:4(KJV) reads: Quote For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

Just to be clear:

2 Corinthians 11:2-5 (English Standard Version)
2For I feel a divine jealousy for you, since(A) I betrothed you to one husband,(B) to present you as a pure virgin to Christ. 3But I am afraid that(D) as the serpent deceived Eve by his cunning, your thoughts(E) will be led astray from a(F) sincere and(G) pure devotion to Christ. 4For if someone comes and(H) proclaims another Jesus than the one we proclaimed, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or if you accept(I) a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it readily enough. 5Indeed, I consider that(J) I am not in the least inferior to these super-apostles.

Paul was speaking about the disciples that knew Jesus and calling that another Jesus because Paul taught what they did not to who they did not.

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
No. If you knew the Spirit of Christ you would hear him in Paul.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Tim Kraft @ Nov. 20 2009,02:21)

Quote (peace2all @ Nov. 19 2009,14:23) Quote (Tim Kraft @ Nov. 18 2009,09:19) Quote (peace2all @ Nov. 17 2009,14:42) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 17 2009,12:58) Quote (peace2all @ Nov. 17 2009,12:52) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 17 2009,12:43) Hi BD, James tells us about where sin begins. From OUR lusts. adam and eve instead of ignoring wrongful thoughts instead nourished selfish desires and there acts of sin were resulted. so now when we are born our desires are inclined to do what is sinful thats why its so hard to do whats right. life is hard without gods guidance to keep doing unsinful things. born in sin not of sin. So you agree that they already had the same selfish desires that everyone had after them, right? So that would mean they were created that way. No one is born with a mind doomed to make bad decisions it simply is not true. romans 5:12. we inherited there imperfections, they did not need to have jesus sacrifice his life for them because they were perfect. free of sin and ddeath. after thier act of sin they were imperfect and cast out of the garden thus all there offspring from then forth are born in sin sinners we are becasue we die. thanks. don't fret if you do gods will and repent and accept jesus you will be part of his original plan.   . so keep seeking the truth and it will come to you just don't fight it, accept it and keep growing in knowledge. stay away from mans doctrines and falsehoods or the truth will be hard to find or accept peacetoall: The word "sin" and the word "Satan" and the word "Devil" were not in the story of the garden of eden in Genesis! Not in the KJV! Bod is on target IMO. TK Tim its because you choose not to accept. in what you had from previous quotes said nothing of satan or devil, but i did mention sin. so who was the serpent? is satan called the father of the lie? when was death first handed down to man? as you well know scriptures throughout hte bible interact and support other scriptures thats the great thing about the bible it will hold fast to prove things within it so as to fortify the truth of such writings. romans does a fine job with that topic. because adam & eve were the first ones to offically receive death as it states and it is thus created sin law within the world ad given down to all men. satan is the father of the lie and that time in eden in the beginning was the first written lie thus he is the father having born or created the lie. you both argue and ignore thruth which you should be embrassing if it is what you really seek. why ignore or add comments that have no bearing to the truth that is written. romans 5:12,13 completely tells us the origin of sin what it has done to those after adam & eve. some poeple do not want to learn or be taught, but want to be the teachers, they  want to save face or don't want to accept that what they know is not all truth. fighting what the scriptures show is counter productive. start praying to god for his holy spirit to help you gain a better understanding of the scriptures and god will help you to stop fighting and ignoring it and your eyes will open. peace2all: In reading the post you wrote I truly did not feel peace from your words. Maybe I read it wrong. To say I do not accept satan or the devil or sin is probably pretty close to true! I do not accept lies, untruth or beliefs that would separate me from the source of creation, Allah or God the indescribable force of life. I made a statement of truth that those words are not in the KJV Bible in the Garden of Eden. Maybe you should at least look up the word "serpent" and see if it is described as the devil or satan. Adam and Eve did not receive death until after they had chosen to believe or partake of death. They chose! I am still searching for the truth from God about sin! If you know it like you said you do please clue me in.Did you know that the word sin was used twice in Gen in the first 18chapters and maybe the entire book of Gen. If sin is an action that we do then how can we be born in sin? If sin is a belief in something that seemingly separates us from God then a baby still could not be born into a belief that he is unable to choose. If sin is a mistaken belief by mankind that anything we do could possibly separate us from a God who is everywhere, would be a more likely choice. Then a child would be born into a sin filled(mistaken of the truth) world, not born into a sinful nature. A persons nature doesn't change from a human being to something else. You can't change the nature of one animal into another type of animal. We were born into a religiously error filled world that taught sin and separation from God which was lies, and un-truth. If you had known the truth of my 30year endeavor(20years by myself with no church affiliation) to learn the truth of God, I don't believe you would have hurt my feelings by saying "some people do not want to learn or be taught" and I attempt to be "counter productive" and more. God Bless you and yours, TK

TK,

Always choosing Love over Hate(Except hating to do hateful things) you cannot lose. Because at the end of the day LOVE conquers all and it is our Love for God that trumps tradition and ritual.

Us who love are born of God we have Mercy and Compassion from the least to the greatest there are those who seem to want to "get saved" and immediately find all the ways they can to exclude others from salvation based on the fear that if their understanding of God is not validated yours must be invalidated.

When they were taught to "invite" others by preaching the Good News but instead throw stones to beat us into conforming to them. Jesus literally spent most of his time with the same people that many here would call sinners and non-believers but Jesus confessed about those who call themselves "children" of the Kingdom

Matthew 8:7-14

11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.

12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into o
uter darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

But Jesus keeps telling them over and over the Gospel:

And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God.
Mark 11:21-23

He was talking to all sorts of people not even asking what their religion was because as he said:

Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
John 4:21-23

Not of the one Jew Jesus but the belief and faith in ONLY ONE SUPREME GOD.

But I will sacrifice unto thee with the voice of thanksgiving; I will pay that that I have vowed. Salvation is of the LORD.
Jonah 2:8-10

Now because I say ALLAH you say, no God cannot be called ALLAH byt the fact is ALLAH is a much more accurate term to use as many here even call Satan "God" and using small letters such as "god" does not change the desecration.

ALLAH means "THE GOD" as in "ONLY GOD" There is no such thing in Arabic as ALLAHs or allahs there is no plural form as with the word god which can be gods and can refer to any object which one reveres. ALLAH is a singular noun always refering to "AL-MIGHTY GOD"

[peace2all]

I read bible to compare and learn from. Few verses or pages a day, i talk to people listen to there points and scriptures i research and find my scriptures myself that either agree also or don't or sometimes there are only a few on that subject and one really can question it to begin with. Tim you chose to not read what it says, verses are ther for you even typed out and you just don't want to accept of believe you just turn a blind eye to it for no reason wxcept to not want to listen. you say you don't believe in lies, unthruths etc. then you are calling gods word a lie. i just read what kjv says on the verse i put up. its says the same thing. you can believe in what you want but then its not gods message but your own. that scripture speaks clearly and to refute it and deny satan and sin and whatever else, says that you will not fully accept the scriptures at all. thats ok ,adam & eve had free will too and there actions caused us to be in the spot we are in today so whatever path you choose is yours alone. i don't go out of my way to question and re question and deny the scriptures if it is right there telling me its point. now if something is very hard to understand and needs better understanding because its not clear enough then questioning is good. You know what? you will always get the truth and correct answer if you really want it, it will be revealed. if not then you choose to not accept it. its funny how some people always fall back onto the "oh your not using this type of bible" makes me laugh. i have seen and been read too and read from 4 bibles that i can hink off hand and you know what, they are all on the same path, same conclusion – there might be some older language that is harder to grasp but they are not off from one another. i had that used once to me when talking about hte trinity and my friend had used like a handful of scriptures in his defense yet none was really proof, one would have to stretch the imagination and want to beleive it to make it work by putting in his own words. i however was able to produce almost a page full in verses in opposite that was clear and he was upset, i wasnt trying to cause him shame or make him want to save face, theres no wrong in finding truth and to understand the bible a little better. anyways he then said oh well you use a different bible i then said go read any passage and we will compare. guess what ,same message was in both, you cannot fight the truth. now in regards to translation into english or any other language from the original – my firend GOD will not let his word be polluted in such workings, he will not let there be copies that are so distorted as to be man made – however people will in there teachings and interpretations. and then the topic of bible aids or other outside help. if it is helped to explain a scripture and scriptures are used then no big deal, all religions hav ebible aids in spoken words(sermons) speeches wriiten aids etc.. thats not uncommon or new or wrong. somethimes its hard to understand, gos will help you gain a better understanding if its in yuor heart to want to do so if you need it. now its not the same as in regards to other nonchristian religions due to there eliefs ans doctrines are different and not of same topics.. don't even go there with that lame excuse. EX: the bible says all over that god and jesus are not equal or one same person or being. would you lets say, as a father who has three kids say you are a trinity and that you are all one an the same. no you would not. we need to care what the bible says and its message , we really need to care what jesus told us to go do. thats our challenge to maintain and have faith in and work to accomplish that. jesus said to go forth and make disciples and to preach to all nations- nowhere does it say worship them as a trinity or worship the cross or worship pagan beliefs. its better to safeguard oneself from beliefs and ideals that came from this wicked system ruled by the father of the lie satan. you can believe and accept what you want and thats your right and i will not say your worse than me, your reading the bible and thats a start but if you are seeking the truth nad ask for guidence and understanding it will be given to you. Remember things that are in scripture and are clear and you choose not to accept is only doing you harm. i am new to the bible but when teachings are jumping at you in the face i will not deny it, makes no sence to try to dispute it if no need to fully understand it. science has been trying to disprove god so that they don't have to give him credit, they go out of there way to make it that all this was just an accident and is not special and they try to make it so commom likes its no big deal. i am learning and trying to also stay away from things that are not favored to god – ex: birthday,s there is not really specific words tht say don't however when it is mentioned, someone died for that ritual. john the baptist was on eof them – so i don't think it would be wise to want to, and it also is was not even performed or in the minds back in herods day when John was killed. later in the hebrew and greek customs it was mixed with mysic and spiritism- those things are detested by god. i've noticed that people refuse to accept or listen on bible verses due to the fact they claim one is inferior – ex: holy spirit had filled, then another bible might say the holy spirit had entered into, or it came into him – very stupid things to argue in ones defense since they are not leading away from any new meaning. things like that are argued all the time and makes no sense – i came here to possibly learn or understand a different viewpoint with scriptual basis but now have seen that there are those here only wanting to cast doubt and stray from what is written in plain sight – satan did the same to eve, cast doubt for his own . to have people here re question what is clear and to then go off on off topics and evade or stray & distort is counter productive. there have been so far only a couple who actually sound as if they care or want the truth and for it to be known. best of luck. stay safe . loves others . grow your love for god and jesus and for his purpose for mankind

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 20 2009,04:59)

Hi BD, No. If you knew the Spirit of Christ you would hear him in Paul.

Actually my last post was not debating what Paul was saying it was simply to show who Paul was speaking of preaching another Jesus or Gospel and I provided the scripture because many people use that scripture inappropriately to argue against for instance the Quran but the fact is Paul was talking about the same Disciples that Jesus approved of.

[peace2all]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 20 2009,05:16)

Quote (Tim Kraft @ Nov. 20 2009,02:21) Quote (peace2all @ Nov. 19 2009,14:23) Quote (Tim Kraft @ Nov. 18 2009,09:19) Quote (peace2all @ Nov. 17 2009,14:42) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 17 2009,12:58) Quote (peace2all @ Nov. 17 2009,12:52) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 17 2009,12:43) Hi BD, James tells us about where sin begins. From OUR lusts. adam and eve instead of ignoring wrongful thoughts instead nourished selfish desires and there acts of sin were resulted. so now when we are born our desires are inclined to do what is sinful thats why its so hard to do whats right. life is hard without gods guidance to keep doing unsinful things. born in sin not of sin. So you agree that they already had the same selfish desires that everyone had after them, right? So that would mean they were created that way. No one is born with a mind doomed to make bad decisions it simply is not true. romans 5:12. we inherited there imperfections, they did not need to have jesus sacrifice his life for them because they were perfect. free of sin and ddeath. after thier act of sin they were imperfect and cast out of the garden thus all there offspring from then forth are born in sin sinners we are becasue we die. thanks. don't fret if you do gods will and repent and accept jesus you will be part of his original plan.   . so keep seeking the truth and it will come to you just don't fight it, accept it and keep growing in knowledge. stay away from mans doctrines and falsehoods or the truth will be hard to find or accept peacetoall: The word "sin" and the word "Satan" and the word "Devil" were not in the story of the garden of eden in Genesis! Not in the KJV! Bod is on target IMO. TK Tim its because you choose not to accept. in what you had from previous quotes said nothing of satan or devil, but i did mention sin. so who was the serpent? is satan called the father of the lie? when was death first handed down to man? as you well know scriptures throughout hte bible interact and support other scriptures thats the great thing about the bible it will hold fast to prove things within it so as to fortify the truth of such writings. romans does a fine job with that topic. because adam & eve were the first ones to offically receive death as it states and it is thus created sin law within the world ad given down to all men. satan is the father of the lie and that time in eden in the beginning was the first written lie thus he is the father having born or created the lie. you both argue and ignore thruth which you should be embrassing if it is what you really seek. why ignore or add comments that have no bearing to the truth that is written. romans 5:12,13 completely tells us the origin of sin what it has done to those after adam & eve. some poeple do not want to learn or be taught, but want to be the teachers, they  want to save face or don't want to accept that what they know is not all truth. fighting what the scriptures show is counter productive. start praying to god for his holy spirit to help you gain a better understanding of the scriptures and god will help you to stop fighting and ignoring it and your eyes will open. peace2all: In reading the post you wrote I truly did not feel peace from your words. Maybe I read it wrong. To say I do not accept satan or the devil or sin is probably pretty close to true! I do not accept lies, untruth or beliefs that would separate me from the source of creation, Allah or God the indescribable force of life. I made a statement of truth that those words are not in the KJV Bible in the Garden of Eden. Maybe you should at least look up the word "serpent" and see if it is described as the devil or satan. Adam and Eve did not receive death until after they had chosen to believe or partake of death. They chose! I am still searching for the truth from God about sin! If you know it like you said you do please clue me in.Did you know that the word sin was used twice in Gen in the first 18chapters and maybe the entire book of Gen. If sin is an action that we do then how can we be born in sin? If sin is a belief in something that seemingly separates us from God then a baby still could not be born into a belief that he is unable to choose. If sin is a mistaken belief by mankind that anything we do could possibly separate us from a God who is everywhere, would be a more likely choice. Then a child would be born into a sin filled(mistaken of the truth) world, not born into a sinful nature. A persons nature doesn't change from a human being to something else. You can't change the nature of one animal into another type of animal. We were born into a religiously error filled world that taught sin and separation from God which was lies, and un-truth. If you had known the truth of my 30year endeavor(20years by myself with no church affiliation) to learn the truth of God, I don't believe you would have hurt my feelings by saying "some people do not want to learn or be taught" and I attempt to be "counter productive" and more. God Bless you and yours, TK TK, Always choosing Love over Hate(Except hating to do hateful things) you cannot lose. Because at the end of the day LOVE conquers all and it is our Love for God that trumps tradition and ritual. Us who love are born of God we have Mercy and Compassion from the least to the greatest there are those who seem to want to "get saved" and immediately find all the ways they can to exclude others from salvation based on the fear that if their understanding of God is not validated yours must be invalidated. When they were taught to "invite" others by preaching the Good News but instead throw stones to beat us into conforming to them. Jesus literally spent most of his time with the same people that many here would call sinners and non-believers but Jesus confessed about those who call themselves "children" of the Kingdom Matthew 8:7-14 11 And I say unto you , That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven. 12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. But Jesus keeps telling them over and over the Gospel: And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God. Mark 11:21-23 He was talking to all sorts of people not even asking what their religion was because as he said: Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. John 4:21-23 Not of the one Jew Jesus but the belief and faith in ONLY ONE SUPREME GOD. But I will sacrifice unto thee with the voice of thanksgiving; I will pay that that I have vowed. Salvation is of the LORD. Jonah 2:8-10 Now because I say ALLAH you say, no God cannot be called ALLAH byt the fact is ALLAH is a much more accurate term to use as many here even call Satan "God" and using small letters such as "god" does not change the desecration. ALLAH means "THE GOD" as in "ONLY GOD" There is no such thing in Arabic as ALLAHs or allahs there is no plural form as with the word god which can be gods and can refer to any object which one reveres. ALLAH is a singular noun always refering to "AL-MIGHTY GOD"

nothing i said was hateful. BD likewise you go off topic when you see the truth in front of you and go off on topics with no purpose or direction. good luck to you obviously you think you know all of gods words completly and even have stated you know what he would do or don't do or say. good luck on that. thats ok its your path and you may choose it.

[peace2all]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 20 2009,05:19)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 20 2009,04:59) Hi BD, No. If you knew the Spirit of Christ you would hear him in Paul. Actually my last post was not debating what Paul was saying it was simply to show who Paul was speaking of preaching another Jesus or Gospel and I provided the scripture because many people use that scripture inappropriately to argue against for instance the Quran but the fact is Paul was talking about the same Disciples that Jesus approved of.

BD you don't show or privide anyting useful from what ive seen so far. you switch to off topics and continue to go nowhere with no points 90% of the time except when you just say people are wrong or yuo disagree. you then put up scriptures and question out of thin are talking about other things not in discussion. good luck. thanks

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