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Quote (peace2all @ Nov. 17 2009,14:42) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 17 2009,12:58) Quote (peace2all @ Nov. 17 2009,12:52) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 17 2009,12:43) Hi BD,
James tells us about where sin begins.
From OUR lusts.
adam and eve instead of ignoring wrongful thoughts instead nourished selfish desires and there acts of sin were resulted. so now when we are born our desires are inclined to do what is sinful thats why its so hard to do whats right. life is hard without gods guidance to keep doing unsinful things. born in sin not of sin.
So you agree that they already had the same selfish desires that everyone had after them, right?So that would mean they were created that way.
No one is born with a mind doomed to make bad decisions it simply is not true.
romans 5:12. we inherited there imperfections, they did not need to have jesus sacrifice his life for them because they were perfect. free of sin and ddeath. after thier act of sin they were imperfect and cast out of the garden thus all there offspring from then forth are born in sin sinners we are becasue we die. thanks. don't fret if you do gods will and repent and accept jesus you will be part of his original plan.
. so keep seeking the truth and it will come to you just don't fight it, accept it and keep growing in knowledge. stay away from mans doctrines and falsehoods or the truth will be hard to find or accept
peacetoall: The word “sin” and the word “Satan” and the word “Devil” were not in the story of the garden of eden in Genesis! Not in the KJV! Bod is on target IMO. TKQuote (peace2all @ Nov. 17 2009,14:42) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 17 2009,12:58) Quote (peace2all @ Nov. 17 2009,12:52) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 17 2009,12:43) Hi BD,
James tells us about where sin begins.
From OUR lusts.
adam and eve instead of ignoring wrongful thoughts instead nourished selfish desires and there acts of sin were resulted. so now when we are born our desires are inclined to do what is sinful thats why its so hard to do whats right. life is hard without gods guidance to keep doing unsinful things. born in sin not of sin.
So you agree that they already had the same selfish desires that everyone had after them, right?So that would mean they were created that way.
No one is born with a mind doomed to make bad decisions it simply is not true.
romans 5:12. we inherited there imperfections, they did not need to have jesus sacrifice his life for them because they were perfect. free of sin and ddeath. after thier act of sin they were imperfect and cast out of the garden thus all there offspring from then forth are born in sin sinners we are becasue we die. thanks. don't fret if you do gods will and repent and accept jesus you will be part of his original plan. . so keep seeking the truth and it will come to you just don't fight it, accept it and keep growing in knowledge. stay away from mans doctrines and falsehoods or the truth will be hard to find or accept
Was Jesus betrayed? If So isn't that proof that he did not sacrifice his life?They came and arrested Jesus he prayed to God that he could be saved from that horrible moment asking God 3 times to please take away this cup. When will you understand that there was a PLOT to KILL Jesus.
You keep behaving as Jesus skipped to the cross and said “I want to die for all of you” but it didn't happen that way did it?
No need to NAIL a willing sacrifice.
Then you quote Romans 5:12 (King James Version)
12Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
So saying that Jesus paid this price why does everyone still die? Nothing has changed since Jesus “died”.
Because Jesus didn't come here to die
The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.
John 10:9-11The fact is God forgave Adam and Eve and did not kill them nor did they die in the day that they ate the fruit. Cain killed a man and did not die or be killed for God had mercy and put a mark on cain so no one would kill him.
Learn from Jonah:
Jonah 3
10And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.Jonah 4
1But it displeased Jonah exceedingly, and he was very angry.2And he prayed unto the LORD, and said, I pray thee, O LORD, was not this my saying, when I was yet in my country? Therefore I fled before unto Tarshish: for I knew that thou art a gracious God, and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness, and repentest thee of the evil.
Isn't that what the serpant said?
Genesis 3:3-5 (King James Version)
3But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
4And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
5For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil
Now many would like to say that “they did die in that day” but the fact is their eyes did open
And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
Genesis 3:21-23You said man was created to live forever but if that was the case there would not have been a tree of life, so it was mans choice to choose knowing good and evil.
You have much to learn, God bless you.
Quote (Tim Kraft @ Nov. 18 2009,09:19) Quote (peace2all @ Nov. 17 2009,14:42) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 17 2009,12:58) Quote (peace2all @ Nov. 17 2009,12:52) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 17 2009,12:43) Hi BD,
James tells us about where sin begins.
From OUR lusts.
adam and eve instead of ignoring wrongful thoughts instead nourished selfish desires and there acts of sin were resulted. so now when we are born our desires are inclined to do what is sinful thats why its so hard to do whats right. life is hard without gods guidance to keep doing unsinful things. born in sin not of sin.
So you agree that they already had the same selfish desires that everyone had after them, right?So that would mean they were created that way.
No one is born with a mind doomed to make bad decisions it simply is not true.
romans 5:12. we inherited there imperfections, they did not need to have jesus sacrifice his life for them because they were perfect. free of sin and ddeath. after thier act of sin they were imperfect and cast out of the garden thus all there offspring from then forth are born in sin sinners we are becasue we die. thanks. don't fret if you do gods will and repent and accept jesus you will be part of his original plan. . so keep seeking the truth and it will come to you just don't fight it, accept it and keep growing in knowledge. stay away from mans doctrines and falsehoods or the truth will be hard to find or accept
peacetoall: The word “sin” and the word “Satan” and the word “Devil” were not in the story of the garden of eden in Genesis! Not in the KJV! Bod is on target IMO. TK
The fact is we have the very same abilities to choose good or evil but most don't understand and so they try to set up stumbling blocks and fancy rituals like Jesus said:Luke 11:51-53 (King James Version)
52 Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered.
God has always been full of Mercy, Grace and Compassion, The acceptor of repentance.
Most would have you believe that God does withhold his forgiveness even for 2000 years but they forget that God has communicated with His prophets and has forgiven His people over and over again, they don't read the Bible and see the pervasive patterns of both disobedience and Forgiveness to those who repent.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 18 2009,10:20) Hi BD,
Logic does not wash.
He died and your teachers are wrong.
Even if he had died you still would have to OBEY GOD you would still have to worship THE GOD of JESUS and not Jesus himself so what is your point?Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 18 2009,10:01) Quote (Tim Kraft @ Nov. 18 2009,09:19) Quote (peace2all @ Nov. 17 2009,14:42) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 17 2009,12:58) Quote (peace2all @ Nov. 17 2009,12:52) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 17 2009,12:43) Hi BD,
James tells us about where sin begins.
From OUR lusts.
adam and eve instead of ignoring wrongful thoughts instead nourished selfish desires and there acts of sin were resulted. so now when we are born our desires are inclined to do what is sinful thats why its so hard to do whats right. life is hard without gods guidance to keep doing unsinful things. born in sin not of sin.
So you agree that they already had the same selfish desires that everyone had after them, right?So that would mean they were created that way.
No one is born with a mind doomed to make bad decisions it simply is not true.
romans 5:12. we inherited there imperfections, they did not need to have jesus sacrifice his life for them because they were perfect. free of sin and ddeath. after thier act of sin they were imperfect and cast out of the garden thus all there offspring from then forth are born in sin sinners we are becasue we die. thanks. don't fret if you do gods will and repent and accept jesus you will be part of his original plan. . so keep seeking the truth and it will come to you just don't fight it, accept it and keep growing in knowledge. stay away from mans doctrines and falsehoods or the truth will be hard to find or accept
peacetoall: The word “sin” and the word “Satan” and the word “Devil” were not in the story of the garden of eden in Genesis! Not in the KJV! Bod is on target IMO. TK
The fact is we have the very same abilities to choose good or evil but most don't understand and so they try to set up stumbling blocks and fancy rituals like Jesus said:Luke 11:51-53 (King James Version)
52 Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered.
God has always been full of Mercy, Grace and Compassion, The acceptor of repentance.
Most would have you believe that God does withhold his forgiveness even for 2000 years but they forget that God has communicated with His prophets and has forgiven His people over and over again, they don't read the Bible and see the pervasive patterns of both disobedience and Forgiveness to those who repent.
you ignore our original discussion you keep saying that we didn't inherit or are born with sin. but romans 5:12 says it all and you can't deny it except try to mascarade your discussion to off topics. there no room for you own opinion and speculations and why the off tracking of he wasn't willing to do it(sacrifice his life) thats not the issue who even is talking about that, like that would change any of gods words anyways. then you ask about was jesus betrayed where does that come from when we were talking about adams sin being handed down to all others? stick to what is at hand and dont deviate. Roman 5:12 reads that is why just as through one man sin entered into the world and death spread to all men because they had all sinned then verse 13 states for until the law of sin was in the world no one can be charged with sin when there is no law. so there was no sin until they commited that selfish act and disobeyed god, then they were given death and kicked out of eden thus the law of sin as made. verse 12 says that he spread sin to all men. so regarding my saying that we are born in sin is correct. and there is you proof. now unless you use your own opinion or judgement to fit what you think and not whats gods written words as like above stated…then i hope you really can find the truth in gods own words and lead you to that narrow road. god bless… repentance…doing gods will…faith in jesus and water baptisim is definetley required to continue to hav his loving grace – once saved not always saved, you must continue to act on it. thanks allQuote (peace2all @ Nov. 18 2009,12:05) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 18 2009,10:01) Quote (Tim Kraft @ Nov. 18 2009,09:19) Quote (peace2all @ Nov. 17 2009,14:42) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 17 2009,12:58) Quote (peace2all @ Nov. 17 2009,12:52) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 17 2009,12:43) Hi BD,
James tells us about where sin begins.
From OUR lusts.
adam and eve instead of ignoring wrongful thoughts instead nourished selfish desires and there acts of sin were resulted. so now when we are born our desires are inclined to do what is sinful thats why its so hard to do whats right. life is hard without gods guidance to keep doing unsinful things. born in sin not of sin.
So you agree that they already had the same selfish desires that everyone had after them, right?So that would mean they were created that way.
No one is born with a mind doomed to make bad decisions it simply is not true.
romans 5:12. we inherited there imperfections, they did not need to have jesus sacrifice his life for them because they were perfect. free of sin and ddeath. after thier act of sin they were imperfect and cast out of the garden thus all there offspring from then forth are born in sin sinners we are becasue we die. thanks. don't fret if you do gods will and repent and accept jesus you will be part of his original plan. . so keep seeking the truth and it will come to you just don't fight it, accept it and keep growing in knowledge. stay away from mans doctrines and falsehoods or the truth will be hard to find or accept
peacetoall: The word “sin” and the word “Satan” and the word “Devil” were not in the story of the garden of eden in Genesis! Not in the KJV! Bod is on target IMO. TK
The fact is we have the very same abilities to choose good or evil but most don't understand and so they try to set up stumbling blocks and fancy rituals like Jesus said:Luke 11:51-53 (King James Version)
52 Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered.
God has always been full of Mercy, Grace and Compassion, The acceptor of repentance.
Most would have you believe that God does withhold his forgiveness even for 2000 years but they forget that God has communicated with His prophets and has forgiven His people over and over again, they don't read the Bible and see the pervasive patterns of both disobedience and Forgiveness to those who repent.
you ignore our original discussion you keep saying that we didn't inherit or are born with sin. but romans 5:12 says it all and you can't deny it except try to mascarade your discussion to off topics. there no room for you own opinion and speculations and why the off tracking of he wasn't willing to do it(sacrifice his life) thats not the issue who even is talking about that, like that would change any of gods words anyways. then you ask about was jesus betrayed where does that come from when we were talking about adams sin being handed down to all others? stick to what is at hand and dont deviate. Roman 5:12 reads that is why just as through one man sin entered into the world and death spread to all men because they had all sinned then verse 13 states for until the law of sin was in the world no one can be charged with sin when there is no law. so there was no sin until they commited that selfish act and disobeyed god, then they were given death and kicked out of eden thus the law of sin as made. verse 12 says that he spread sin to all men. so regarding my saying that we are born in sin is correct. and there is you proof. now unless you use your own opinion or judgement to fit what you think and not whats gods written words as like above stated…then i hope you really can find the truth in gods own words and lead you to that narrow road. god bless… repentance…doing gods will…faith in jesus and water baptisim is definetley required to continue to hav his loving grace – once saved not always saved, you must continue to act on it. thanks all
No we are not born in sin if we were than Jesus was also born in sin and he was not. You simply don't understand the scriptures.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 18 2009,13:12) Hi BD,
We follower a normal man who became an overcomer.
Then why am I being persecuted for not worshiping a normal man?one would be persecuted for not doing satans will, but by doing gods will. the law of sin was not created until the act was done before that sin was but could not be charged for it had not been performed. since the act was done law was then made about sin hus god gave man death. that law never left because it is here today it was handed down to us. romans 5:12 . also we need to really only be concerned about gods will and not mans. gods will was taught through jesus. jesus didn't teach us trinity therefore we should not consume or waste our time on mans created belief. there are others too. if in fact its not a teaching described for us to obey then we are wasting our time and not putting whole faith in jesus and god because the other man doctrines or beliefs are tainting what only matters and you cannot add to it it is gods alone. thats why it is better tosafeguard ones self from not doing something or beleiving in something that would possibly undermine your good intentions. holidays and birthdays are only spoken of as either pagan solstice originating beliefs or as something detestable to god. so therfore would it not be a good safe bet to sray from those things. are those imperfect human creations so important that you could be giving up the chance to be included in gods kingdom and grand earthly plans. not in my book. drinking alcohol is not forbidden but would you not want to safeguard yourself from over indulging in it so as to not have a chance to get a damaged liver or becoming and alchoholic or other diseases from that . just saying is all. i'm going to try to see what is really teachings that were taught for us and we are to follow adn not do all the other added on things and see where that leads me to a certain organization or group.
Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 18 2009,13:31) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 18 2009,13:15) Hi BD,
Persecuted?
am I not?
Hi BD,
Are you?
Or is your martyrdom rather imaginary?
You come and offer a false god and false doctrines and think our rejection of them is of you?Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 19 2009,04:46) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 18 2009,13:31) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 18 2009,13:15) Hi BD,
Persecuted?
am I not?
Hi BD,
Are you?
Or is your martyrdom rather imaginary?
You come and offer a false god and false doctrines and think our rejection of them is of you?
You call The God of Israel and The Doctrine of God, False?Did not Jesus tell you his doctrine was not his own? Yet you worship the messenger and not the One who sent the message?
Hi BD,
You have no respect for the God of Israel and even offer improvements on His teachings.Anathema.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 19 2009,09:37) Hi BD,
You have no respect for the God of Israel and even offer improvements on His teachings.Anathema.
Nick,I WORSHIP THE GOD of ISREAL , THE GOD OF ALL FLESH
What part of that you disagree with?
Are you trying to steal GLORY from God?
Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 19 2009,13:15) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 19 2009,09:37) Hi BD,
You have no respect for the God of Israel and even offer improvements on His teachings.Anathema.
Nick,I WORSHIP THE GOD of ISREAL , THE GOD OF ALL FLESH
What part of that you disagree with?
Are you trying to steal GLORY from God?
Hi BD:This what Jesus said:
Quote Jhn 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. Jhn 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
Jhn 4:24 God [is] a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship [him] in spirit and in truth.
Jhn 4:25 The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.
Jhn 4:26 Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am [he].
Jhn 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
It is impossible for anyone to worship God in spirit and in truth if one has not believe the truth and one's sins have not been washed away by the blood of "the lamb of God"
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (Tim Kraft @ Nov. 18 2009,09:19) Quote (peace2all @ Nov. 17 2009,14:42) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 17 2009,12:58) Quote (peace2all @ Nov. 17 2009,12:52) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 17 2009,12:43) Hi BD,
James tells us about where sin begins.
From OUR lusts.
adam and eve instead of ignoring wrongful thoughts instead nourished selfish desires and there acts of sin were resulted. so now when we are born our desires are inclined to do what is sinful thats why its so hard to do whats right. life is hard without gods guidance to keep doing unsinful things. born in sin not of sin.
So you agree that they already had the same selfish desires that everyone had after them, right?So that would mean they were created that way.
No one is born with a mind doomed to make bad decisions it simply is not true.
romans 5:12. we inherited there imperfections, they did not need to have jesus sacrifice his life for them because they were perfect. free of sin and ddeath. after thier act of sin they were imperfect and cast out of the garden thus all there offspring from then forth are born in sin sinners we are becasue we die. thanks. don't fret if you do gods will and repent and accept jesus you will be part of his original plan. . so keep seeking the truth and it will come to you just don't fight it, accept it and keep growing in knowledge. stay away from mans doctrines and falsehoods or the truth will be hard to find or accept
peacetoall: The word "sin" and the word "Satan" and the word "Devil" were not in the story of the garden of eden in Genesis! Not in the KJV! Bod is on target IMO. TK
Tim its because you choose not to accept. in what you had from previous quotes said nothing of satan or devil, but i did mention sin. so who was the serpent? is satan called the father of the lie? when was death first handed down to man? as you well know scriptures throughout hte bible interact and support other scriptures thats the great thing about the bible it will hold fast to prove things within it so as to fortify the truth of such writings. romans does a fine job with that topic. because adam & eve were the first ones to offically receive death as it states and it is thus created sin law within the world ad given down to all men. satan is the father of the lie and that time in eden in the beginning was the first written lie thus he is the father having born or created the lie. you both argue and ignore thruth which you should be embrassing if it is what you really seek. why ignore or add comments that have no bearing to the truth that is written. romans 5:12,13 completely tells us the origin of sin what it has done to those after adam & eve. some poeple do not want to learn or be taught, but want to be the teachers, they want to save face or don't want to accept that what they know is not all truth. fighting what the scriptures show is counter productive. start praying to god for his holy spirit to help you gain a better understanding of the scriptures and god will help you to stop fighting and ignoring it and your eyes will open.Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 19 2009,13:15) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 19 2009,09:37) Hi BD,
You have no respect for the God of Israel and even offer improvements on His teachings.Anathema.
Nick,I WORSHIP THE GOD of ISREAL , THE GOD OF ALL FLESH
What part of that you disagree with?
Are you trying to steal GLORY from God?
Hi BD,
You prefer the teachings of another.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 19 2009,14:25) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 19 2009,13:15) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 19 2009,09:37) Hi BD,
You have no respect for the God of Israel and even offer improvements on His teachings.Anathema.
Nick,I WORSHIP THE GOD of ISREAL , THE GOD OF ALL FLESH
What part of that you disagree with?
Are you trying to steal GLORY from God?
Hi BD,
You prefer the teachings of another.
BD from some of the things you write and the ignoring of scriptures its hard to know what you believe. sounds like you really don't understand scriptures and you go out on these wild paths of unsound questions, lots of doubt and in some cases you answer that god would or wouldn;t do something. why you would think you know what he would do or not is crazy. possibly you need guidence in scriptual understanding, no big deal we all need it but to never accept the truth and only what you think and not biblical writtings is not going to help you at all. but maybe you don't care. some are here to do harm, mislead, confuse – satans works in all ways
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