What most don't understand

[peace2all]

Quote (karmarie @ Dec. 06 2009,15:28)

mans religeons lead nowhere

mans teachings, incorperated doctrines. using the scriptures only and doing the things god wants is the key.

its not good enough to say you believe or one has faith and then do the things of the world

[karmarie]

agree, and have been there, analyzed everything really, and was left with nothing ,

all i have come to the conclusion of for now anyway, is to follow God and try to listen. To put no faith in any man, (or any book) unless God shows me something

(i used to get given bible verses and i saw it as a form of communication between me and God)

I pray the Lord will help us

[bodhitharta]

Quote (princess of the king @ Dec. 06 2009,14:43)

bodhitharta abd al muttalib vowed to sacrifice his son to Allah, for twelve more sons so the well may be dug quicker, the sooth sayer replaces the vow with camels, which by the end of the day the whole town feast on camels flesh. this is part of your tradition/readings yes?

What are you talking about?

[bodhitharta]

Quote (peace2all @ Dec. 06 2009,14:44)

Quote (karmarie @ Dec. 06 2009,14:23) the only ones who say Jesus is nobody is -not christians -or muslims If they had a revelation that Jesus is the son of God and more than just a prophet, I would become a Muslim -today. they believe jesus as only a prophet and not gods son. that muhammad is more important than jesus, even though he's not in the bible.   jesus as  being our savior is not true. nor do we need to have faith in him and accept him as it. they only  believe some scriptures, but put the quran ahead of god's good news his inspired word the bible. so why would you wanna be one??

No one has placed Muhammad over Jesus and just remember Adam is called the son of God and Jesus is called the son of God both of these two are called the son of God in the Bible and then Jesus is called the second Adam

So, is Adam the Son of God?

In Islam Adam is not considered the son of God

In the scriptures of the Bible it says “Ye are gods”

In Islam we are not considered gods

so are we gods?

The Quran makes things clear but most don't know.

There is no such thing as gods in Islam
There is no such thing as sons of God in Islam

Now go to your Bible and see for yourself that in the beginning God did not call anyone His son or a god but he created them Male and Female in His image and called them MAN

[bodhitharta]

Quote (karmarie @ Dec. 06 2009,16:22)

agree, and have been there, analyzed everything really, and was left with nothing , all i have come to the conclusion of for now anyway, is  to follow God and try to listen. To put no faith in any man, (or any book) unless God shows me something (i used to get given bible verses and i saw it as a form of communication between me and God) I pray the Lord will help us

I am confident that the Lord will always be with you because people like you are the salt of the earth.

[karmarie]

Thankyou BD

[karmarie]

28 “And afterward,
I will pour out my Spirit on all people.
Your sons and daughters will prophesy,
your old men will dream dreams,
your young men will see visions.
29 Even on my servants, both men and women,
I will pour out my Spirit in those days.
30 I will show wonders in the heavens
and on the earth,
blood and fire and billows of smoke.
31 The sun will be turned to darkness
and the moon to blood
before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD.
32 And everyone who calls
on the name of the LORD will be saved;
for on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem
there will be deliverance,
as the LORD has said,
among the survivors
whom the LORD calls.

http://www.google.co.nz/search?….q=f&oq=

I had a vivid dream one day, I  was given a book with a picture of an old globe of the world on the front, God wanted me to open it ,the book was large and heavy and old, and as I opened it  inside there was wax paper , and I could see part of something underneath that ,and I opened it and was so shocked at what was revealed that i gasped and woke up (and fell off the bed), I was not supposed to remember what i saw, and i knew this, and couldnt remember, but it was something to do with the middle east.

[peace2all]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 06 2009,20:05)

Quote (peace2all @ Dec. 06 2009,14:44) Quote (karmarie @ Dec. 06 2009,14:23) the only ones who say Jesus is nobody is -not christians -or muslims If they had a revelation that Jesus is the son of God and more than just a prophet, I would become a Muslim -today. they believe jesus as only a prophet and not gods son. that muhammad is more important than jesus, even though he's not in the bible.   jesus as  being our savior is not true. nor do we need to have faith in him and accept him as it. they only  believe some scriptures, but put the quran ahead of god's good news his inspired word the bible. so why would you wanna be one?? No one has placed Muhammad over Jesus and just remember Adam is called the son of God and Jesus is called the son of God both of these two are called the son of God in the Bible and then Jesus is called the second Adam So, is Adam the Son of God? In Islam Adam is not considered the son of God In the scriptures of the Bible it says “Ye are gods” In Islam we are not considered gods so are we gods? The Quran makes things clear but most don't know. There is no such thing as gods in Islam There is no such thing as sons of God in Islam Now go to your Bible and see for yourself that in the beginning God did not call anyone His son or a god but he created them Male and Female in His image and called them MAN

really thats new to me. they down play christ as a mere human prophet.
they use only a few books in the bible and use the quran as the main true book
think muhammad is above jesus.

d oyou deny, its what it shown as their belief.

if quran is from muhammad and it is considered over god's word the bible – how can you say that is not so.

they preach and teach and exault muhammad,and the quran

thats no secret? so how can youy say different now?

[princess of the king]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 06 2009,19:54)

Quote (princess of the king @ Dec. 06 2009,14:43) bodhitharta abd al muttalib vowed to sacrifice his son to Allah, for twelve more sons so the well may be dug quicker, the sooth sayer replaces the vow with camels, which by the end of the day the whole town feast on camels flesh. this is part of your tradition/readings yes? What are you talking about?

it seems bodhitharta, a yes or no does not exsist in your vocabulary.

[peace2all]

your in denial again. the muslims worship on high , god, muhammad and the quran. they use muhammad's teachings over christs that was directed from his father. they do not accept the whole bible or its teachings.
they accept small portion of it only, but all of the quran. they believe all from muhammad but not of christ. this is fact.

[princess of the king]

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they preach and teach and exault muhammad,and the quran

is the same as the catholic belief, they exault mary and have their own scriptures they teach and preach, so this is nothing new under the sun.

[peace2all]

Quote (princess of the king @ Dec. 07 2009,01:56)

Quote they preach and teach and exault muhammad,and the quran is the same as the catholic belief, they exault mary and have their own scriptures they teach and preach, so this is  nothing new under the sun.

that is my point. thank you. not all beliefs or religions are acceptable to god then, just as the bible states.

i'm sorry did i defend or endorse catholic church. NO i did say that they do thse things and the bible clearly shows tht those tings are also detestable to god and not his will for us to do.

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
Indeed . And as Mormonism writes it's own script so does Islam.
Come back to the God of Israel.

[peace2all]

thats why the path to everlasting life is narrow. i for one do not think i am on that path yet. i know what needs to be done and know that it is true for i have compared and checkmarked things in religions that are truely against gods will and singled out what teachings being taught are not gods. . however i find myself hesitant and not performing those things completely. i don't know why. its easy to see what needs to be done but to actually apply it and hold fast to it is the hardest step. i've been at this for only 4 months so i will continue to grow and pray that god's holy spirit will help direct me to do his will for this is what i seek, not just wanting to learn it. i think tht since i'm new and just finding out god's message in truth has to manifest and grow inside me and make me feel more confident and stable before i can just make that leap.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (peace2all @ Dec. 07 2009,01:50)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 06 2009,20:05) Quote (peace2all @ Dec. 06 2009,14:44) Quote (karmarie @ Dec. 06 2009,14:23) the only ones who say Jesus is nobody is -not christians -or muslims If they had a revelation that Jesus is the son of God and more than just a prophet, I would become a Muslim -today. they believe jesus as only a prophet and not gods son. that muhammad is more important than jesus, even though he's not in the bible.   jesus as  being our savior is not true. nor do we need to have faith in him and accept him as it. they only  believe some scriptures, but put the quran ahead of god's good news his inspired word the bible. so why would you wanna be one?? No one has placed Muhammad over Jesus and just remember Adam is called the son of God and Jesus is called the son of God both of these two are called the son of God in the Bible and then Jesus is called the second Adam So, is Adam the Son of God? In Islam Adam is not considered the son of God In the scriptures of the Bible it says “Ye are gods” In Islam we are not considered gods so are we gods? The Quran makes things clear but most don't know. There is no such thing as gods in Islam There is no such thing as sons of God in Islam Now go to your Bible and see for yourself that in the beginning God did not call anyone His son or a god but he created them Male and Female in His image and called them MAN really thats new to me. they down play christ as a mere human prophet. they use only a few books in the bible and use the quran as the main true book think muhammad is above jesus. d oyou deny, its what it shown as their belief. if quran is from muhammad and it is considered over god's word the bible – how can you say that is not so. they preach and teach and exault muhammad,and the quran thats no secret? so how can youy say different now?

The Quran is The direct word of God as delivered through Gabriel to Muhammad. Muhammad is not the author, God is the author.

The Quran does not exalt Muhammad above Jesus, in-fact Jesus is mentioned about 29 times while Muhammad is only referred to by name 4 times.

The Quran is the revelation to Mankind that Confirms what came before it and reveals some things that were not known before or clarifies what was once confusing to many.

And of Course Jesus was human and a prophet whom God anointed to be Christ.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (peace2all @ Dec. 07 2009,04:25)

thats why the path to everlasting life is narrow. i for one do not think i am on that path yet. i know what needs to be done and know that it is true for i have compared and checkmarked things in religions that are truely against gods will and singled out what teachings being taught are not gods. . however i find myself hesitant and not performing those things completely. i don't know why. its easy to see what needs to be done but to actually apply it and hold fast to it is the hardest step. i've been at this for only 4 months so i will continue to grow and pray that god's holy spirit will help direct me to do his will for this is what i seek, not just wanting to learn it. i think tht since i'm new and just finding out god's message in truth has to manifest and grow inside me and make me feel more confident and stable before i can just make that leap.

Once you learn the truth you will be able to easily do the truth but you believe what you do not practice and by doing so according to “your” belief

Hebrews 10
26For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

Hebrews 10
29Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

Now here you are on this site defending what you do not know and cannot even abide by. So after so much talking about the Blood of Christ if he had been crucified or killed you would truly be without salvation being that there would no longer be a sacrifice for the sins you now do after knowing about him dying for your sins.

Repent to God because the Life is in the blood of the LIVING

[peace2all]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 07 2009,05:57)

Quote (peace2all @ Dec. 07 2009,04:25) thats why the path to everlasting life is narrow. i for one do not think i am on that path yet. i know what needs to be done and know that it is true for i have compared and checkmarked things in religions that are truely against gods will and singled out what teachings being taught are not gods. . however i find myself hesitant and not performing those things completely. i don't know why. its easy to see what needs to be done but to actually apply it and hold fast to it is the hardest step. i've been at this for only 4 months so i will continue to grow and pray that god's holy spirit will help direct me to do his will for this is what i seek, not just wanting to learn it. i think tht since i'm new and just finding out god's message in truth has to manifest and grow inside me and make me feel more confident and stable before i can just make that leap. Once you learn the truth you will be able to easily do the truth but you believe what you do not practice and by doing so according to “your” belief Hebrews 10 26For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, Hebrews 10 29Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? Now here you are on this site defending what you do not know and cannot even abide by. So after so much talking about the Blood of Christ if he had been crucified or killed you would truly be without salvation being that there would no longer be a sacrifice for the sins you now do after knowing about him dying for your sins. Repent to God because the Life is in the blood of the LIVING

the holy scriptures are inspired from god not muhammad's teachings.

were do you get this from. LOL

like god needed your muhammad after sending his only begotten son christ jesus who was perfect and sin free and taught us all god's will and how to live life to gods will and gave a ransom sacrifice for all mankind to have the old sin law removed and thus jesus the new law gives us hope and a doorway to god's kingdom again.

yeah god needed muhammad for what now??
he offers what now??
how can anything compare or equal JESUS.
you are so lost.
satans is in you good.i pray for god's holy spirit to help you seek the truth and turn away from your mistakes from having man's word be your guide.

muslims hold up high to the quran and muhammad. plain and simple. only using some scriptures from the holy bible and demeaning jesus as mere man is wrong.

the holy scriptures hebrew & greek scriptures are the only inpired words of god. always has been.

they are not what god wills..
bible says that your works of flesh cannot lead to salvation ever. you believe just that. you believe jesus as mere human only a prophet, bible says otherwise.

you rely on your imperfect fleshy ways as the way to salvation. it is thru spiritual faith and belief and spiritual works tht do, and a repentant life.

you do not accept all that. man has never been able to do that that is why jesus who was perfect and sinless could.

[peace2all]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 07 2009,05:57)

Quote (peace2all @ Dec. 07 2009,04:25) thats why the path to everlasting life is narrow. i for one do not think i am on that path yet. i know what needs to be done and know that it is true for i have compared and checkmarked things in religions that are truely against gods will and singled out what teachings being taught are not gods. . however i find myself hesitant and not performing those things completely. i don't know why. its easy to see what needs to be done but to actually apply it and hold fast to it is the hardest step. i've been at this for only 4 months so i will continue to grow and pray that god's holy spirit will help direct me to do his will for this is what i seek, not just wanting to learn it. i think tht since i'm new and just finding out god's message in truth has to manifest and grow inside me and make me feel more confident and stable before i can just make that leap. Once you learn the truth you will be able to easily do the truth but you believe what you do not practice and by doing so according to “your” belief Hebrews 10 26For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, Hebrews 10 29Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? Now here you are on this site defending what you do not know and cannot even abide by. So after so much talking about the Blood of Christ if he had been crucified or killed you would truly be without salvation being that there would no longer be a sacrifice for the sins you now do after knowing about him dying for your sins. Repent to God because the Life is in the blood of the LIVING

right becasue we are under the new law of jesus. we are not under sins domain any longer.

the scripturs shown to you specifically tell you your answer about his ransom for mankind.

now we are under his law, he is the new law.

they actually say just that, only that, it tells you about it.

really i don't know huh. you can't even disprove because the truth cannot be disproved.

i am honest as i can and am imperfect. its nice that you want to use that against me as to why im wrong and your right and should not listen.

your only blinding yourself

if the bible tells you in the exact words showing you christs blood ransom and what it did and means in scripture, you wil be held accountable now for you were shown.

it be great for you if there was a scripture or scriptures that said, all that you were taught about christs ransom and how it has opened a new door for your salvation is all wrong and that i jesus didn't have to die or that i'm just a mere man only would be in your favor.

however there isn't. theres only scriptures talking about what and how it affects all mankind

since its in there and so many scriptures tell us about it it must be important, don't ya think.

god loves you BOD especially for thinking so little of his son and his ransom for us all that was his fathers will to do.

sure he likes you throwing it back at him that his love he shown to yuo menas nothing

bravo

[peace2all]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 07 2009,05:47)

Quote (peace2all @ Dec. 07 2009,01:50) Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 06 2009,20:05) Quote (peace2all @ Dec. 06 2009,14:44) Quote (karmarie @ Dec. 06 2009,14:23) the only ones who say Jesus is nobody is -not christians -or muslims If they had a revelation that Jesus is the son of God and more than just a prophet, I would become a Muslim -today. they believe jesus as only a prophet and not gods son. that muhammad is more important than jesus, even though he's not in the bible.   jesus as  being our savior is not true. nor do we need to have faith in him and accept him as it. they only  believe some scriptures, but put the quran ahead of god's good news his inspired word the bible. so why would you wanna be one?? No one has placed Muhammad over Jesus and just remember Adam is called the son of God and Jesus is called the son of God both of these two are called the son of God in the Bible and then Jesus is called the second Adam So, is Adam the Son of God? In Islam Adam is not considered the son of God In the scriptures of the Bible it says “Ye are gods” In Islam we are not considered gods so are we gods? The Quran makes things clear but most don't know. There is no such thing as gods in Islam There is no such thing as sons of God in Islam Now go to your Bible and see for yourself that in the beginning God did not call anyone His son or a god but he created them Male and Female in His image and called them MAN really thats new to me. they down play christ as a mere human prophet. they use only a few books in the bible and use the quran as the main true book think muhammad is above jesus. d oyou deny, its what it shown as their belief. if quran is from muhammad and it is considered over god's word the bible – how can you say that is not so. they preach and teach and exault muhammad,and the quran thats no secret? so how can youy say different now? The Quran is The direct word of God as delivered through Gabriel to Muhammad. Muhammad is not the author, God is the author. The Quran does not exalt Muhammad above Jesus, in-fact Jesus is mentioned about 29 times while Muhammad is only referred to by name 4 times. The Quran is the revelation to Mankind that Confirms what came before it and reveals some things that were not known before or clarifies what was once confusing to many. And of Course Jesus was human and a prophet whom God anointed to be Christ.

jesus was gods son who was up in heaven before comming to earth to do gods will.

please accept christ

muhammad is not christ nor your savior

quran is not from god.

you uphold the quran and muhammad over god's word and christ jesus.

you go out of your way to deny the bible.

who would in their right mind fight against god's word the bible the holy scriptures if one says they beleive.

thats what ya do BOD

[peace2all]

BOD , jesus is the pathway to god, thru jesus we need to go. we need to do god's will as recorded in hte holy scriptures. thts what it says.

muhammad is not the way, jesus is. the quran is not the way the holy scriptures are. spiritaul works not man's fleshy actons sets us on the path to god.

you can act and try all you want but if no spritual actions or truth is behind it you are not doing god's will

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