What most don't understand

[bodhitharta]

They have moved me to jealousy with that which is not God; they have provoked me to anger with their vanities: and I will move them to jealousy with those which are not a people; I will provoke them to anger with a foolish nation.
Deuteronomy 32:20-22

But I say, Did not Israel know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger you.
Romans 10:18-20

Now many who are Christians say that God is triune or God is Christ and if they were correct the Jews would be happy but they are not and the reason is when they see these false beliefs it makes them angry but they themselves use to go chasing other gods and worshiping Idols

Jesus said Salvation comes by way of the Jew and Paul says that the way of the Jew itself had become full of unbelief and therefore God allowed those who had not believed previously a way(Jesus) to believe and be accepted therefore concluding all in unbelief on one hand and belief through Faith on the other hand whether it be faith in the Gospel or Faith in God in spite of the Gospel

Today you will not see Jews worshiping Idols anymore and it is because of the wayward beliefs of most Christians that remind them of how not to worship God.

Islam's worship of God is exact parallel of The Jews they worship no Images nor do they put any partners with God this is the way of The Jews, The Way of Jesus and The Way of Islam

[banana]

bod

Yes, the Jews did move God to jealousy, because they refused to obey God, and continued to worship other god's.
The 70 weeks of Dan. 9:24, prophecy the Jews last chance to obey by believing Jesus. But they thought because they were Abraham's descendants, they had it made.

Jhn 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

Jhn 8:33 They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?

They thought they had the promise God made to Abraham, and nothing to worry about, God would make them jealous by showing favors to the foolish nation, the Gentiles, extending the promise of Abraham to them also through faith.
God is one God, period.
Yes, salvation does come by way of the Jews, Jesus is of the tribe of Judah.
Salvation is by faith in Jesus only, period, Acts 4:12.
The Jews don't look to any other religion for guidance.

Georg

[942767]

Hi BD:

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Act 4:10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, [even] by him doth this man stand here before you whole. Act 4:11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. Act 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[terraricca]

hi bod.
you can turn wath you believe till the end times,you will not change the fact that Christ is the gate to salvation,ither you are a jew,a muslem ,a boudist,a catholic,or anything els,
we all of us in the human race have to accept Jesus as he said and do it as he ask ,
those are the rules,if we like or not,
it is a matter of our hearth and love of Godly thruth

[bodhitharta]

Quote (942767 @ Dec. 05 2009,15:38)

Hi BD: Quote Act 4:10   Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, [even] by him doth this man stand here before you whole.   Act 4:11   This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.   Act 4:12   Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.   Love in Christ, Marty

Romans says that the Jews who have no belief in Jesus at all but have faith in God will in fact have salvation. This is my like fifth time posting these verses but most want to blind themselves to a VERY direct statement.

As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.
Romans 11:27-29

For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
Romans 11:31-33

Why is it you won't admit what this is clearly saying? If you are an enemy of the gospel doesn't that mean you are not believing in Christ in any way? Doesn't that mean you are being antichrist? doesn't that mean you believe Chrsit is a false prophet?

Yet, God says they are beloved.

Now Muslims believe in Jesus as Christ and yet what do you say about them?, the truth will be known and I will hold you to your integrity and honour knowing that whatever we write here on this forum is a witness and testimony before God

[bodhitharta]

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 05 2009,15:45)

hi bod. you can turn wath you believe till the end times,you will not change the fact that Christ is the gate to salvation,ither you are a jew,a muslem ,a boudist,a catholic,or anything els, we all of us in the human race have to accept Jesus as he said and do it as he ask , those are the rules,if we like or not, it is a matter of our hearth and love of Godly thruth

Then you don't believe the scriptures.

Jesus even said he could be blasphemed and it will be forgiven. Now obviously if you blaspheme Jesus and are forgiven he cannot be the ONLY way.

I myself accept Jesus and believe that Jesus is Christ but the scriptures show that it is the Mercy of God that saves, period.

[terraricca]

hi Bod
yes i do ,this way ;you can be a criminal,a tief,a liar,a blasphemer,murdere,what ever you were wen you present you before Christ to change you ways to is ways all the things you have done will be forgiven,if you remain faithfull to God .
this is conditional forgivenis.

[banana]

bod

No, it means because of their unbelief, God opened the door to the rest of the world.

Jhn 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

If you say that any one is saved by any other way but Jesus, the bible would not be true.

Georg

[bodhitharta]

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 05 2009,16:07)

hi Bod yes i do ,this way ;you can be a criminal,a tief,a liar,a blasphemer,murdere,what ever you were wen you present you before Christ to change you ways to is ways all the things you have done will be forgiven,if you remain faithfull to God . this is conditional forgivenis.

I agree

[bodhitharta]

Quote (banana @ Dec. 05 2009,16:07)

bod No, it means because of their unbelief, God opened the door to the rest of the world. Jhn 10:16   And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd. If you say that any one is saved by any other way but Jesus, the bible would not be true. Georg

As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.
Romans 11:27-29

If you believe the bible is true you have to believe that it is those who are enemies of the Gospel the very ones who reject Jesus as Christ that are beloved by God and will be saved without believing in Jesus.

Come on you are reading the same thing I am and there is no room for private interpretation

[terraricca]

hi bod
I believe that God purpose is to save men,and all of them if he could,i if he could because God will not force anyone ,wen everything will be done at the end,but to me it seems that God calls people in different times and in different ways for different reasons,but let not be fouled ,Christ will be the only gate to salvation,there is only one sin who will not be forgiven it is the sin against the Holy spirit.
what you think this means???

[banana]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 05 2009,18:34)

Quote (banana @ Dec. 05 2009,16:07) bod No, it means because of their unbelief, God opened the door to the rest of the world. Jhn 10:16   And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd. If you say that any one is saved by any other way but Jesus, the bible would not be true. Georg As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes. Romans 11:27-29 If you believe the bible is true you have to believe that it is those who are enemies of the Gospel the very ones who reject Jesus as Christ that are beloved by God and will be saved without believing in Jesus. Come on you are reading the same thing I am and there is no room for private interpretation

bod

Lets concentrate on one thing only, “Jesus came to die”.
Jesus was a spirit being yet he gave that up to become one of us, Why? Spirit beings can not be killed by us.
Why did he come to die?
Paul says, the wages of sin is death, you sin, you die.
Why did the Israelites had to offer up sacrifices of animals in the OT? to make atonement for their sins. Paul says in Heb., without the shedding of blood, there is no remission, but, animal sacrifices can not take away sin.
In order for us to live again after we die, we have to have some one to take our sins away from us, Jesus is that some one. Jesus did not sin and deserved to die, so only he could take our sins, and placed them on him self, and then die.
Now that we are freed from sin, we will live again by a resurrection. So far his dying for us was unconditional, you will be resurrected, its a done deal, you can't even stop it if you tried.
After the resurrection however, you will have to prove your self by listening to the teaching of Jesus Christ. There will be no other religions to choose from but one, there will be no other denomination/churches to choose from but one, there will be no other teachers but one, Jesus. All this will occur during the millennium, all will receive the same treatment, no favoritism. It is during this time when every body will realise what sin is, and what it will do. God will open the minds to understand the truth to every one, so there will be no excuse.
Jesus told us, the Father judges no one, so it will all be up to Jesus, and Peter told us, any one who “will not” hear that prophet, Jesus, will be destroyed.
So you see, there is no other way into God's kingdom, except by Jesus.

Georg

[bodhitharta]

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 05 2009,19:08)

hi bod I believe that God purpose is to save men,and all of them if he could,i if he could because God will not force anyone ,wen everything will be done at the end,but to me it seems that God calls people in different times and in different ways for different reasons,but let not be fouled ,Christ will be the only gate to salvation,there is only one sin who will not be forgiven it is the sin against the Holy spirit. what you think this means???

According to the scriptures it is to curse or slander God

Mark 3
22 And the scribes which came down from Jerusalem said, He hath Beelzebub, and by the prince of the devils casteth he out devils.

Mark 3
30 Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit.

We know that Jesus said that he was not doing the things himself but God was doing them therefore they were slandering God not Jesus

Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
John 14:9-11

[bodhitharta]

Quote (banana @ Dec. 06 2009,01:01)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 05 2009,18:34) Quote (banana @ Dec. 05 2009,16:07) bod No, it means because of their unbelief, God opened the door to the rest of the world. Jhn 10:16   And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd. If you say that any one is saved by any other way but Jesus, the bible would not be true. Georg As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes. Romans 11:27-29 If you believe the bible is true you have to believe that it is those who are enemies of the Gospel the very ones who reject Jesus as Christ that are beloved by God and will be saved without believing in Jesus. Come on you are reading the same thing I am and there is no room for private interpretation bod Lets concentrate on one thing only, “Jesus came to die”. Jesus was a spirit being yet he gave that up to become one of us, Why? Spirit beings can not be killed by us. Why did he come to die? Paul says, the wages of sin is death, you sin, you die. Why did the Israelites had to offer up sacrifices of animals in the OT? to make atonement for their sins. Paul says in Heb., without the shedding of blood, there is no remission, but, animal sacrifices can not take away sin. In order for us to live again after we die, we have to have some one to take our sins away from us, Jesus is that some one. Jesus did not sin and deserved to die, so only he could take our sins, and placed them on him self, and then die. Now that we are freed from sin, we will live again by a resurrection. So far his dying for us was unconditional, you will be resurrected, its a done deal, you can't even stop it if you tried. After the resurrection however, you will have to prove your self by listening to the teaching of Jesus Christ. There will be no other religions to choose from but one, there will be no other denomination/churches to choose from but one, there will be no other teachers but one, Jesus. All this will occur during the millennium, all will receive the same treatment, no favoritism. It is during this time when every body will realise what sin is, and what it will do. God will open the minds to understand the truth to every one, so there will be no excuse. Jesus told us, the Father judges no one, so it will all be up to Jesus, and Peter told us, any one who “will not” hear that prophet, Jesus, will be destroyed. So you see, there is no other way into God's kingdom, except by Jesus. Georg

This is what Jesus says:

Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man.
John 8:14-16

The Israelites did not have to offer up sacrifices

For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:
Jeremiah 7:21-23

[banana]

bod

Then the book of Leviticus is just an illusion?
And what was the temple for?

Georg

[terraricca]

hi Bod
Jesus did not juge any one ,it is by his works that you be juged, read John 1;6-14.
there are other scriptures to supplement this thought.
when Christ says he is the beguinig and the end or the alfa and omega,this is not to make him equal to the father,the Father is the alfa and omega over all,Jesus is the alfa and omega because he is the one the FATHER USE TO ACCOMPLISH ALL IS WORK,Jesus is just one level lower,but there is no contrediction

so to be saved one door Jesus Christ the son of the living GOD

[banana]

terraricca

Does this verse sound familiar?

Jhn 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

and this one?

Jhn 9:39 And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind.

Georg

[terraricca]

hi BOD
in regard to sin against the Holy Spirit,what it means ,Paul said in one of his letters “if you have come to the knowledge of god and tasted the fruit of God and you go back to the world who will now save you
Christ will not go to the stake ones more for you,

it is like “a man stand on the highway and stops all the car going north and say to them abode 10 miles further the road has calapsed,but 10% are turn back the others keep going because they dont believe what he is saying,what you thing happen to the 90% well they never come back.

and it is the same with the preaching of Christ,the onlything Christ ask is turn back while you can.

[peace2all]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 05 2009,18:34)

Quote (banana @ Dec. 05 2009,16:07) bod No, it means because of their unbelief, God opened the door to the rest of the world. Jhn 10:16   And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd. If you say that any one is saved by any other way but Jesus, the bible would not be true. Georg As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes. Romans 11:27-29 If you believe the bible is true you have to believe that it is those who are enemies of the Gospel the very ones who reject Jesus as Christ that are beloved by God and will be saved without believing in Jesus. Come on you are reading the same thing I am and there is no room for private interpretation

thats funny you say that BOD cuz thats what you've done to every converstation we've had.

how can you say you beleive in jesus when you say christ ransom sacrifice was not needed and ment nothing.

you shame jesus by not accepting him as your savior for his ransom sacrifice as stated in the bible. for only through him having done that do we.

he was sent by god to convey and show us his fathers will. that is not what saved mankind from adams sin that caused us to be sinners in gods eyes. jesus ransom sacrifice is what was used to make us all sons in god's eyes and given us the ressurection hope and not have sin shut us out from gods gift of what was his plan for mankind from the begininng. inhabit the earh, subdue it, live forever under his kingdom.

[peace2all]

BOD will throw in scriptures that might pertain to another topic not the actual topic at hand. if there is a topic being discussed odds are you will find scriptures talking about that subject. throwing in scriptures that may have a word or two that looks good to you is not supporting a specific cause or answer.

EX: when we talked about adam sin and what it did and ment for mankind following him as his offspring – you ignore all scriptures that talked about it that were shown you and you deny and try to disprove truth.

then u added ” well he wans't immortal” or god wouldn't do that to others for his action alone” is not scriptual proof.

thats what ya did and do. you add non topic scriptures and your own opinion from everything i've seen so far.

good luck with that

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