What is your confession regarding Jesus

[kerwin]

David,

Jesus the Anointed is a co-regent with God in they both are Lord over all things in heaven and on earth but he is still subject to the one and only God.

I believe Nick already quoted the Scripture that teaches us God did not place himself under Jesus.

[AndrewAD]

Kerwin,that’s good to hear because i’ve heard the teaching that Jesus is not yet a king by dispensationalists and was taught this as a new believer.It is such confusion! And I’ve noticed that most now don’t even teach this controversy anymore  unless they are committed dispensationalists of one type or another.Of course they-dispensationalists, don’t agree either on how to properly”divide the word”.

[kerwin]

DavidL,

1 Corinthians 15:24-28Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. 27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. 28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

That is the passage Nick directed you to and I addressed in my last post.

[kerwin]

Andrew,
There is the technical objection that Jesus is not yet the litter ruler of the holy land.

The answer is he declared he was Lord of it and every other part of earth but like the rest of the earth it is still in rebellion.

[AndrewAD]

Kerwin,

It is written “they who worship God should worship in spirit and in truth” we don’t need to go to the”holy land”be it Jerusalem,Samaria,Rome,Mecca or Salt Lake City.Jesus is king over a heavenly,spiritual kingdom that is”not of this world”.If God is literally ruling over this world now then so is Jesus.But many believers don’t even believe that which is understandable too.

[DavidL]

That is the passage Nick directed you to and I addressed in my last post.

Yes, that is what I responded to..

<span class=”cmt_sub_title”>Verse 24.</span> – <span class=”cmt_word”>The end.</span> That “end of all things,” beyond which the vision of Christian eschatology does not look. <span class=”cmt_word”>When he shall have</span> <span class=”cmt_word”>delivered up the kingdom to God.</span> The “kingdom” delivered up is not that of the coequal Godhead, but the mediatorial kingdom. The Divine kingdom “shall have no end” (Luke 1:33, etc.), and “shall not pass away” (Daniel 7:13). But the mediatorial kingdom shall end in completion when the redemptive act has achieved its final end. <span class=”cmt_word”>When he shall have put down;</span> rather, <span class=”accented”>shall have annulled</span> or <span class=”accented”>abolished. All rule.</span> Because then “the kingdoms of the world” shall all “have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of his Christ” (Revelation 11:15).

 

See more..

http://biblehub.com/commentaries/pulpit/1_corinthians/15.htm

[bodhitharta]

Hi DavidL

I know you like ignoring my posts but here goes anyway

No one has ascended into heaven, but He who descended from heaven: the Son of Man.” John 3:13

Did Elijah ascend into heaven?

2 Kings 2:11New King James Version (NKJV)

11 Then it happened, as they continued on and talked, that suddenly a chariot of fire appeared with horses of fire, and separated the two of them; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.

DavidL I see why you feel the way you do, the only problem is when asked about the trinity you spend most of the time trying to make Jesus equate to God but that is not a trinity, Can you now show where the 3rd part is equal to the other 2?

If you have no verses for that will you just assume it or will you say “I don’t know”?

So let’s just summarize according to your perception

John 1:1 New King James Version (NKJV)

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Okay, so we have God and The word of God(Jesus) and so there is this UNITY and the one in the beginning with God is also God, so where was The Holy Spirit? You rely completely on John 1:1 so please tell me how this fits into a trinitarian scheme, because according to you there are only 2 in the beginning

[DavidL]

Try that again..

That is the passage Nick directed you to and I addressed in my last post.

Yes, that is what I responded to..

Verse 24. The end. That “end of all things,” beyond which the vision of Christian eschatology does not look. When he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God. The “kingdom” delivered up is not that of the coequal Godhead, but the mediatorial kingdom. The Divine kingdom “shall have no end” (Luke 1:33, etc.), and “shall not pass away” (Daniel 7:13). But the mediatorial kingdom shall end in completion when the redemptive act has achieved its final end. When he shall have put down; rather shall have annulled or abolished. All rule. Because then “the kingdoms of the world” shall all “have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of his Christ” (Revelation 11:15).

http://biblehub.com/commentaries/pulpit/1_corinthians/15.htm

[DavidL]

bodhitharta

To deny the trinity is to deny the Son His deity and Oneness with the Father…

We could move forward once this Oneness is established..

Acts 5 (as Nick inadvertently pointed out) reveals that to lie to the Spirit is to lie to God…

Thus confirming the deity of the Spirit..

As for the Spirit in relation to John 1:1 – Genesis 1:1 reveals the presence of the Spirit in the beginning.

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,

Which heaven was Elijah taken to?

[NickHassan]

Hi davidl,

You are so sure of your doctrinal stance.

But it is on shaky ground.

There is no trinity in scripture

[DavidL]

P.S. John was focused on the Son of God – the deity and co-equal status of the Spirit did not concern him… which had to be established later to counter heretical teachings that arose within Christendom at that time..

and that is re-manifesting today..

It should be realized that all cult error is manifesting strongly now, because we are fast approaching the final unveiling of the Antichrist.. (and his counterfeit trinity)…

[carmel]

 

Did Elijah ascend into heaven?

bodhitharta

With every respect:

YOU DISCERN THINGS UP TO YOUR NOSE!

DO YOU KNOW THAT THERE ARE HEAVENS,

NOT HEAVEN

Peace and love in Jesus

Charles

[NickHassan]

Hi Davidl,

Peter said

“You are the Christ the Son of the living God “and Jesus approved.

Do you agree with Peter or have you learned more than Peter and Jesus?

[kerwin]

DavidL,

When you copy and quote from the web make sure you are in the text editor and visual one as the later places html codes all through the quote, The appropriate tabs are on the right top of the post you are working on.

[kerwin]

AndrewAD,

God chose the Hebrew people and the land they settled and I do see where he rejected them. The Gospel has come to us through them though many of them do not believe the Messiah has come. I appreciate receiving the message as those Jews it was given to went out and preached to the nations.

The Hebrews and their land are a symbol of the world to come. The other Holy Places are just attempts to usurp the role that the Hebrews and their land have fulfilled. I cannot say they are done as I am fairly sure that the Gentiles will return the message to them.

[kerwin]

DavidL,

The Spirit of the Antichrist has been in the world for ages and ages doing his work. That Spirit may be the False Prophet or the False Prophet may be a human that lives by him. I do not know nor do I believe it is wise to be presumptuous enough to say who or what is the False Prophet.

[NickHassan]

Hi davidl,

The worst heresy is the trinity one.

But you swallowed it and now look down on others

[DavidL]

Peter said

“You are the Christ the Son of the living God “and Jesus approved.

Do you agree with Peter or have you learned more than Peter and Jesus?

 

It’s not merely a matter of agreeing – but also understanding..

..and this is an important Scripture to understand – first, we should remember HOW this amazing knowledge and insight about Jesus Christ was ascertained by Peter… Did he study a lot of religious books, digest all the relevant intellectual information, make an endless heap of clever analytical deductions on the grammatical correctness of the Hebrew language and then after years of tedious research and study finally reach the apex of his logical conclusions on the interpretation of the law and thus hit the jackpot as to the true identity of the Jewish Messiah…? No, and yet as Christians this is the foolish way we continually attempt to gain understanding of Scripture – when in fact it is this ‘head-knowledge’ approach that actually BLINDS us to the truth – and like the Pharisees, we also miss the reality of Jesus Christ Himself..

The Pharisees bathed their minds continually in the intellectual knowledge of Scripture only to be exposed and condemned by an uneducated nobody from Nazareth – as children of the devil…!!! And yet a common fisherman from Galilee received understanding that somehow alluded all these great religious minds – why..? because Peter had a LOVE for truth that surpassed his own desire for greatness…

Thus Peter suddenly had his spiritual eyes opened to the reality of Jesus – the knowledge imparted to him came direct from God (not man)…and thus Jesus stated that this way of understanding was to be the very foundation upon which He Himself will build and unite His followers into His true Body on earth..NOT by the teachings or organization of men – but by the revelation and guidance of the Spirit.

 

…but here you try and use Peter’s revelation as a statement of proof for your anti-trinity disposition – yes, of course Jesus is the Son of God – but do you understand that according to Scripture the Son of God has a lot more significance than the low level your doctrinal position attempts to consign to it…?

“Now the centurion, and those who were with him keeping guard over Jesus, when they saw the earthquake and the things that were happening, became very frightened and said, “Truly this was the Son of God!” – Matt 27:54

What was the centurion saying..? was he thinking that Jesus was maybe a great spiritual man or master..? or was he confirming the high status in which the jealous Jews had already acknowledged this title of ‘Son’ as –

“We have a law, and according to that law He must die, because He claimed to be the Son of God.” John 19:7

“For this reason therefore the Jews were seeking all the more to kill Him, because He not only was breaking the Sabbath, but also was calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God.” John 5:18

“We are not stoning You for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because You, a mere man, claim to be God.” John 10:33

 

So yes indeed, I certainly agree with Peter – Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God…!!!

[NickHassan]

Hi davidl,

Good,

So the impressions gained by the carnal pharisees were all nonsense

Or do you want to agree with them too?

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