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there is something that I have learn while I was reading the scriptures for answers ,and one question came to my mind ,and those where the words I think john said ;”that God love those that love him “and so this came to my mind ,how can someone be love by God ,and what is it that those persons have or do so that they have God’s love ???
so it came to me that I say in my mind well look at all those people that God has loved through history of his people ,starting with Abel ,and all away to John (apostle)and look at who they are how they have been chosen,blessed,and why ,what did they have in them that was special to others men,more question about them came to my mind as I was reading it ,but when I went through the all scriptures again but when it was done ,man was I richer than ever ,I came and understood my heavenly father way better than wen I started for my answers ,and since then feel very close to him and his son ,because I also dig into the relationship and how to be come one with him and his father ,some of the understanding will come through your heart not the mind ,because love is from the heart ,a great feeling that you are never alone again ,
Yes true that. When we give up seeking we give up finding because we become so full of ourselves and our own understanding that there is no room for God.
This is why I don’t like these creeds. They basically get men to believe them, and once they hand over their mind to it, then there is no more seeking because they mistakenly believe they already have it.
Life is a journey where we never stop learning because God is eternal. There is always much more for us around each corner, if only we have eyes to see and ears to hear.We should never forget has we read the scriptures that it is not about us ,in any way ,what God does his done for his glory and his name so that his name stands as holy ,and truthful, this is what is important because of the accuser ,Satan, so all the works and plan. Are to vindicate God name,so we should look in scriptures how he will accomplish that ,and how can we help God,s work and save us at the same time, if we believe in him and his son then we have made his glory and truth in us stand out against the accuser ,
so…because I trust the Scriptures you give me a condescending lecture about false teaching…??!!??!!
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Ha ha ha your advice is good – only misdirected..!!
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If you yourself would consider your own advice and the things you accuse me of..you might actually find yourself closer to the mark..!!good advice, and the very reason why those who attack the Trinity are so off track..they simply cannot accept what the Scripture itself testifies of..
I consider your teaching about the Trinity to be false for the simple reason that it is NOT inspired of the Spirit..your concepts do not come from God but from your own logic…those who teach MUST have the Holy Spirit..(“..for they know not the voice of strangers.” – John 10:5)
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All teaching in Scripture is inspired of God – but when man attempts to dissect it logically he corrupts it immediately..! Scripture is designed to be understood solely by the work of the Holy Spirit..!
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When Jesus said to Peter, “Do you love Me…Feed My sheep.” I believe He is showing that a teacher has nothing to give the sheep unless it has come out of that personal love-relationship with the Shepherd…and this food is ‘revelation’ based, NOT ‘logic’ based..! (heart not head – spiritual not carnal).You suggest that I’m ‘out of my depth’…and I think in a sense you are right…the degree of your spiritual blindness is no match for me – if you deny the clear revelation of Scripture I cannot help you…sadly no one can..!
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You said that you knew me in the past, and even shared with me about God long before I was saved… unfortunately I cannot recall this, but I see now why you failed to impact my life for God – sadly you lack the power and influence of the Holy Spirit in your life…..
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I also think that if you weren’t so deluded about doctrine and Scripture…we might have been friends…David, says man his a trinity as well ,
and God his one as well ,and so all living creatures beings that is ,
could you explain that to me ???,you seem so certain of your knowledge on this ,
“Jesus said to him, ‘Away from me, Satan! For it is written: Worship the Lord your God, and serve Him only.'” – Matthew 4:10
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We worship Jesus, the Son of God because He is [one with] GOD…
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I don’t know how you worship Jesus – but the way we worship the Lord is the same way we worship God..!!
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If I were to use your explanation and worship any other creature (including king David) the way I worship Jesus – it would be completely wrong and out of place – it would be utter idolatry..! because the LORD our God is ONE and it is HIM only we are to worship..!!
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We worship Jesus because He is God – One with the Father…!!!This was just an interesting thought that came from looking at the first chapter of Genesis – (because John in his opening verse of his gospel directs our attention back to the very first verse of the Bible – “In the beginning God…” it is as if he writes again this verse, only, he inserts Jesus as the Word to reveal to us the Deity of Christ… acting with God – AS GOD – in the creation of the world), but when you carry on to verse 26 you read of God saying, in a plural sense, “Let *US* make man in *OUR* image”…so right here at the beginning we have one our first indications that God is not a single individual…and interestingly it happens to be right at the very moment when He is considering making ‘man’ – in His own Image…!!!
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So the thought naturally comes that, if God is indeed Triune..and man is created in His image…then maybe it would be natural to assume that man himself may bare some indication of God’s triune nature…(which he obviously does..!!)
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Yet of course this must be denied by those who have an invested interest in suppressing the truth – those deceitful so-called teachers who put their own egotistical arguments above the revelation of the Word..!God made all things through his Word and Jesus Christ is the Word of God. “yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.”
Did it not occur to you that what scripture is saying is that God made all things through and for our Lord Jesus Christ? You even say yourself, “So the thought naturally comes that, if God is indeed Triune.” I agree this is natural thinking. Then you say, ” acting with God – AS GOD”. Well when you act with God, then you are not God but you are with him.
And we know that all things came from God and through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Why do we need to turn this into a Trinity teaching. We do not have Trinity on the brain. So we just want to let the scripture teach us with a renewed mind, not an already made up mind.
Why does everything for you have to relate to a third to fourth century doctrine that was compiled by Athanasius on behalf of a Roman Emperor and his empire which later killed millions who disagreed with their false foundation?
Why become part of the religious establishment that is guilty of the blood of the martyrs?Here is a little secret that is really obvious, but many do not understand it.
If you start with your mind being convinced of a doctrine, then no matter what the evidence against it, you will find a way to point it to your doctrine. If you soak a sponge in vinegar, then you can extract vinegar from a sponge. But if you do not soak vinegar in a sponge, then you will extract that which is originally in the sponge.
If you start with the Trinity Doctrine, then you will twist scripture toward the Trinity and ignore all the scriptures that you cannot twist. If you start with a belief that there is no God, then all science will point you to there being no God.
But if you start with humility and read the scriptures so as to learn the truths of God contained within, then you will renew your mind and with that renewed mind, you will gain an ever-increasing depth of understanding in scripture and in life, making you able to consume the meat of the Word, and to rightly divide the Word, so as to teach it with all faithfulness toward God with a good conscience.In other words you do not have an answer and so move it toward accusation instead. This is what they did to Jesus because they had no answer for him.
This is your own thinking DavidL.
You say: “We worship Jesus, the Son of God because He is [one with] GOD…”.
Scripture says that men worship Jesus as the son of God and the Lamb of God. Have you not read how a multitude give honour unto God and to the Lamb. Who is God? Who is the Lamb? Deep down you know the answer.
Your hypothesis that we worship Jesus because he is one with God is false. If it were true, then why is it not written. Further, Jesus encourages us to be one with God. Therefore according to your reason, we are God too. That is the outcome of your teaching here.Was Jesus spirtually blind for saying, “this is eternal life, that you may know the ONLY true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent”.
Yet when I say exactly the same in my own words, I am spiritually blind. Perhaps I should point out the obvious. What you say about me believing this, you also say it about Jesus. Because I only am repeating his words. I am the only the messenger because they are not my words, but Jesus. You shoot me, then you are really shooting at him.
Why do you persecute him? Who? Jesus of Nazareth.Was Jesus spiritually blind for saying, “this is eternal life, that you may know the ONLY true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent”.
Yet when I say exactly the same in my own words, I am spiritually blind. Perhaps I should point out the obvious. What you say about me believing this, you also say it about Jesus. Because I only am repeating his words. I am the only the messenger because they are not my words, but Jesus. You shoot me, then you are really shooting at him.
Why do you persecute him? Who? Jesus of Nazareth.even Jesus, the Light of the World, couldn’t change the thinking of those set in their own false doctrines…sure I could keep answering your questions but for one, I don’t have the luxury of spending so much time in the discussion of Scripture, and secondly, especially with one who I think really just likes endless debate…and a debate I believe that is already many centuries old..yet the answer is easily enough discerned if one abide in the teaching of Scripture with the guidance of the Spirit..it is the plain revelation of God’s Word, that lies at odds with the carnal thinking of man…hence the endlessness nature of this matter..
this is true ,for everything ,and in everything ;that is what is commonly known as politics ,and expression in wording ,I was looking at the news in Canada about the scandal of some senators ,you probably heard of it by now ;listen to their mutual explanation it seems that they are both right ,except that only one holds the stick of power ,and most people seems to forget that we as men do not hold the stick of power when facing God our creator ,and wisdom should teach us to listen the power above us ,and not following men teachings of confusion .
In a nutshell this is what you are saying DavidL.
Jesus said, “this is eternal life, that you may know the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent”.
You say that once we are born again, it becomes, “this is eternal life, that you may know the only God who is triune made up of three persons”, and Jesus Christ whom the other one or two of the members of this triune God sent.
Excuse me if I don’t believe a word of it DavidL.
What next?
I mean when you read that verse, do the words actually change as I said above. Please explain, I really want to know how this works.
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