What is truth

[karmarie]

SimplyForgiven,Mar. wrote:

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Sf,

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The only way that can be accomplish is by denying ourselves Come as who you are truly and not who you pretend to be

has it ever occured to you that maybe some people are just like that?

My Mothers like that. She has no ego whatsoever.

You always know she will greet you with a smile, that she will welcome you in, that she wont judge you at all, and that she will listen, and that she will put others before herself, and thats a fact.

[karmarie]

Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 27 2011,22:02)

Quote (karmarie @ Mar. 26 2011,17:31) And I hope your doing well too Kerwin. After what you went through. For the most part I am doing well except for some lingering side effects that are more a nuisance than anything else.   We all are tested in many ways and this is part of my cross to bear.  So be it as God is just and loving.

OK Kerwin. Hope you'll be alright.

[karmarie]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Mar. 27 2011,09:08)

Quote (karmarie @ Mar. 26 2011,12:40) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Mar. 26 2011,20:39) Quote (karmarie @ Mar. 26 2011,05:23) SF, be quiet and try to listen to those who you may actually learn things from. Pay attention. I rather listen to God alone than those who pretend to have Truth Karmarie.   Maybe you should shy your ear away from Ja and have some liberty in your mind, becasue you know the truth can set you free. SF, There is thing's I learnt off JA, and there is thing's I can show him. None of us are perfect. I have been returning to what I used to be, and how I used to see, and it takes time, it hasn't been easy. I learnt some thing's off Wispring and from Pace E Amore, which is why I said to you, pay attention, you may learn something. You need to be carefull who you mix with. Maybe you should seek solitude with the Lord instead of listening to the Imaginations of Men

Thanks.

But what about you? Havent you picked up habits from who you associate with here?

[Tim Kraft]

Quote (karmarie @ Mar. 26 2011,22:55)

Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 27 2011,01:11) Wispring, The four gospels are biographies, a written account of Jesus' life.  The purpose was not to teach the gospel of Christ but only to tell the life story of the Anointed. There is no scripture that was meant to tell the gospel from first to last but all together the gospel can be derived from scriptures; even the words of Jesus' students. Jesus stated that he did not come to bring peace but rather the sword where 2 in a house will be against three.  Sadly that will happen to show who is aproved by God. Jesus said “The words I speak are not my own but the Father's.” John 8:28 Jesus said, “Everyone who hears these words of Mine and acts upon them will be like a wise man who built his house upon the rock. And the rain fell and the floods came and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall”. Mathew 7:28.29 John 5:63 “It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is no help at all. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life.” John 5:66  ” Simon Peter answered him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life,  and we have believed, and have come to know, that you are the Holy One of God.”

Thanks for that post Karmarie, the post you quoted by Kerwin is the most rediculous post I have yet to read from Kerwin. Jesus came to teach the Gospel of God, the good news which was no more old covenant. He established a new and better way to God. Inside each human being, not down the street on a sunday.

A new covenant was being established by Jesus, from God with new and better promises for whosoever will accept and believe. The scripture that he quoted that Jesus would bring a sword rather than peace is evident in Kerwin in that he holds to and believes in the old testament and I hold to and accept the new testament. Opposites!!

The covenants are polar, one to the other. The old, physical temple and the new way of God is spiritual. How can you build the temple of God within if Jesus didn't teach us the gospel of God. The spirit of God is the words of God through Jesus. Its a new spiritual temple built without hands. Its built by FAITH!! I'm surprised at Kerwin, there are young students of the word on this site. IMO, TK

[karmarie]

Jesus's words are more important than anything else you could read, or any book or any magazine. Thats true TK.

[Wispring]

Kerwin,
When jesus spoke those words it was to the Jewish people of that time. He is truthful, he is honest. Peoples families broke apart as a result. They still do today. Some chose to participate in the kingdom of God, some don't. Jesus was smart he told things straight when not using parables. Some of his words are metaphorical, some are shot from the hip straight. Everyone has the opportunity to live as Jesus did. As a son of God. When you do you are in opposition to a degree to those who don't. It's not sad. It's the way it is. The results of the opposition can be saddening if you let the results rule heart. Let God rule your heart and you will have enough unconditional love, freinds, and life so that your yoke will be light. I love you. I will love you know matter what you say or post. I say cheer up! Jesus is in you! Praise God! Raise unto the world a joyful noise! You can face reality realistically and still have the deep well of God's immeasurable joy in your heart. Take a drink from those living waters once and while. It's good for you.

Love and Respect,
Wispring

[SimplyForgiven]

Quote (karmarie @ Mar. 27 2011,13:27)

SimplyForgiven,Mar. wrote: [/quote] Sf, Quote The only way that can be accomplish is by denying ourselves Come as who you are truly and not who you pretend to be has it ever occured to you that maybe some people are just like that? My Mothers like that. She has no ego whatsoever. You always know she will greet you with a smile, that she will welcome you in, that she wont judge you at all, and that she will listen, and that she will put others before herself, and thats a fact.

Hasnt it occured to you that MOST are not?

What i said has nothing to do with Ego and nothing to do with being Nice.
Its being who you are, and not pretending.

[SimplyForgiven]

Quote (Wispring @ Mar. 27 2011,17:57)

Kerwin,   When jesus spoke those words it was to the Jewish people of that time. He is truthful, he is honest. Peoples families broke apart as a result. They still do today. Some chose to participate in the kingdom of God, some don't. Jesus was smart he told things straight when not using parables. Some of his words are metaphorical, some are shot from the hip straight. Everyone has the opportunity to live as Jesus did. As a son of God. When you do you are in opposition to a degree to those who don't. It's not sad. It's the way it is. The results of the opposition can be saddening if you let the results rule heart. Let God rule your heart and you will have enough unconditional love, freinds, and life so that your yoke will be light. I love you. I will love you know matter what you say or post. I say cheer up! Jesus is in you! Praise God! Raise unto the world a joyful noise! You can face reality realistically and still have the deep well of God's immeasurable joy in your heart. Take a drink from those living waters once and while. It's good for you.                                                       Love and Respect,                                                            Wispring

Let God rule your Heart?
God is Soverighn he can rule whatever he wants to rule whenever he wants to.

The Heart is Deceitfully Wicked who can know it?

God is the one who discerns the intentions of our heart therefore the one who chooses to enter not that we choose him.

If you want to live like Jesus than start with Suffering for his name sake.

[Wispring]

Hi SF,
How are you doing today! Well, I hope. You know, Jesus told me to honor him the same way that I honor our Father. Jesus told me to love on another as he and our Father loves me. This is with a love that has no conditions. Everyone who has ever lived has experienced suffering simply from the events that occur in our lives. Many have suffered for Jesus namesake. Mostly from sharing the gospel of God. Jesus didn't instruct us to go suffer just to suffer. Jesus instructed his apostles that they would be hated and suffer for his namesake by simply sharing the gospel. That is to say as a result of believing on his name and telling others about it. This is how I understand things.

With Love and Respect,
Wispring

[karmarie]

SF,

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Hasnt it occured to you that MOST are not?

It has occured to me, it's hard to find someone like my Mother.

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What i said has nothing to do with Ego and nothing to do with being Nice. Its being who you are, and not pretending.

How do you know someones pretending?
I think you just spend too much time with judgmental people who like to debate, so if someone genuinly nice comes along, you don't believe it's possible.

[kerwin]

Quote (karmarie @ Mar. 27 2011,14:31)

Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 27 2011,22:02) Quote (karmarie @ Mar. 26 2011,17:31) And I hope your doing well too Kerwin. After what you went through. For the most part I am doing well except for some lingering side effects that are more a nuisance than anything else.   We all are tested in many ways and this is part of my cross to bear.  So be it as God is just and loving. OK Kerwin. Hope you'll be alright.

I am fine but not in the shape I was before being diagnosed.  It is part of the wear and tear the body takes in this world.

[karmarie]

God bless you Kerwin.

I think most of my problem is smoking, I still smoke, though much less than I did. And too much coffee, not enough sleep, too much computer.

I do walk though. I love walking. Do you get to walk out much kerwin?

[Tim Kraft]

Karmarie: Judge(condemn)not, lest ye be judged! Please don't judge against yourself. There is no error in your actions. Your beliefs are pure in Christ. You are perfect by faith not by what you do or don't do. Nothing going into your mouth and into your body can defile you.

Only that which comes out of the mouth from the heart, can defile you. From the heart/mind/thoughts/ponders/contemplations etc., come evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies: these are the things that defileth a man.

(Matt.15:18) Pertaing to God, IMO you have no problems. You are made perfect through his love not by anything you do or don't do. Perfect can't get any more perfect. God has done this for all of us, through Jesus, if we can believe. You are blessed, TK

[kerwin]

Quote (karmarie @ Mar. 28 2011,14:51)

God bless you Kerwin. I think most of my problem is smoking, I still smoke, though much less than I did. And too much coffee, not enough sleep, too much computer. I do walk though. I love walking. Do you get to walk out much kerwin?

It is good to confess your sins.  I plan to pray that God forgives you an cleanses you of the urge to fulfill those desires.  Scripture declares he is faithful and will do it.  Just have faith and persevere and when your faith has grown you God will place your enemies under your feet.

I have my own sins of being quick to anger, not listening, and speaking when I should be quiet.  Saddly there are more even though God has graciously placed some under my feed.

I  use a treadmill a little but laziness is among the sins I have yet to grow out of.

[terraricca]

Quote (karmarie @ Mar. 29 2011,02:51)

God bless you Kerwin. I think most of my problem is smoking, I still smoke, though much less than I did. And too much coffee, not enough sleep, too much computer. I do walk though. I love walking. Do you get to walk out much kerwin?

Karmari

if you smoke it is more a self inflicted injury,than anything else,

Paul recommend to clean ourselves from those thing ,so as a former smoker ,i just have to tell you focus on stopping and change your habit ,you will succeed with the help of God word,

knowing you not doing it for you but for God ,and that he will heal all our deceases and weaknesses

Pierre

[karmarie]

Thankyou so much for that advice from you all

I appretiate it.

[karmarie]

Quote (Tim Kraft @ Mar. 28 2011,23:22)

Karmarie: Judge(condemn)not, lest ye be judged! Please don't judge against yourself. There is no error in your actions. Your beliefs are pure in Christ. You are perfect by faith not by what you do or don't do. Nothing going into your mouth and into your body can defile you. Only that which comes out of the mouth from the heart, can defile you. From the heart/mind/thoughts/ponders/contemplations etc., come evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies: these are the things that defileth a man.

Thats an interesting point that.

Something like smoking is bad for our health though, and fasting is something I read that the Early Church did a lot of.

So fasting from all thse things would be good for us if we are able to.

But I agree that its what comes out the mouth and our thoughts and intentions of the heart that is important.

But it does also say, in 1st Corin 3:17…”Don't you know that you are a temple of God, and that God's Spirit lives in you? If anyone destroys the temple of God, God will destroy him; for God's temple is holy, which you are.”

So…what would it be?

[Tim Kraft]

Karmarie: To one who thinks it is a sin, it is a sin! You are the judge of yourself. The word of God/Jesus has come to you and cleansed you and made you sinfree and whole. Judgments as opinions we do daily. But judgment as condemnation or wrong is self destructive. Through Jesus you have been made perfect and Holy unto God. Yet if you, the King of your Kingdom of God and the Priest of your Temple of God judge/condemn yourself as deficient or as unclean or as a sinner for any reason, it is so for you. JUDGE/condemn NOT, lest ye be judged! There is no more judgment unless you judge first. Paraphrased: Don't judge anything as bad unless you want that judgment to be unto you! You are setting your own law unto yourself if you set a law to follow for someone else. They are still free.

Information is flowing freely to our minds today. Radio, TV, Internet, newspapers, magazines, books etc.! Some of all that information is true and some of it is false. Much is gossip and conjecture. Just stories passed from one to another. It is we who choose to accept and believe certain information as we believe is truth. Many have chosen to follow the masses and believe in good and bad food or healthy or sick food. Good being healthy and bad being destructive. I believe all food we eat is a form of energy from the source of all that is.

I believe God is the source of all that is and is good. All life in balance is good, and all foods in balance are good. Jesus never once told us to watch out and beware what we eat. In fact he said that what goes into the mouth ends up in the latrine! He said the opposite, go in to the villiages and whosoever accepts you stay with them, EATING AND DRINKING WHATEVER THEY GIVE YOU! That does not sound like a warning of certain foods.

Most important in my estimation is to be consistant in your beliefs in food. Don't say to your fast food burger, look at this, a heart attack on a bun….and then eat it. Bless the good food and eat and enjoy or don't eat the food for your own reasons but don't believe it is bad and then eat it. Smoke and enjoy with thanksgiving but don't smoke and look for death. That would shorten your life. If eating “right” is healthy why are those with cancer not healed when put on nothing but good foods?

Also make note that if we are the Temple of God(I agree) and God's Temple is Holy, which we are then why do we talk about sin and being in sin or sinning or causing sin. I agree you are Holy and perfect unto God and so are all believers. But those who believe they are Holy unto God do not any longer recognize sin within. These are things to ponder. God Bless you, TK

[kerwin]

Quote (karmarie @ Mar. 29 2011,14:17)

Quote (Tim Kraft @ Mar. 28 2011,23:22) Karmarie: Judge(condemn)not, lest ye be judged! Please don't judge against yourself. There is no error in your actions. Your beliefs are pure in Christ. You are perfect by faith not by what you do or don't do. Nothing going into your mouth and into your body can defile you. Only that which comes out of the mouth from the heart, can defile you. From the heart/mind/thoughts/ponders/contemplations etc., come evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies: these are the things that defileth a man. Thats an interesting point that. Something like smoking is bad for our health though, and fasting is something I read that the Early Church did a lot of. So fasting from all thse things would be good for us if we are able to. But I agree that its what comes out the mouth and our thoughts and intentions of the heart that is important. But it does also say, in 1st Corin 3:17…”Don't you know that you are a temple of God, and that God's Spirit lives in you? If anyone destroys the temple of God, God will destroy him; for God's temple is holy, which you are.” So…what would it be?

It is the self distructive urge that comes out of your heart that is sinful. The smoking is just an outward sign of it with a lure of the effects of nicotine. That is a powerful lure that is hard for those who have become addicted to resist but God is stronger that nicotine.

[Tim Kraft]

Kerwin: “It is a self-destructive urge that comes out of your heart that is sinful”! I would like to know what scriptures you have found in the New Testament that support that comment. Sadly, we have to make up “sins” because they are not listed. How can we have sin within us if we are the Holy Temple of God? God does not dwell in sin. There is no sin in God!! Jesus took away our sin. Nailed it to the cross. Jesus took away the sin of the whole world, not just yours. If Jesus spoke the spirit words of God(which he did) and said we are cleansed by the words of God then it would be blasphemy unto God to rise above God and say, no, I am unclean. This I don't understand from a true man of God. TK

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