What is the first dominion?

[Wakeup]

Camillia.

The end will come At the coming.

Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

Until the teachings of the gentiles has come according to God’s time line.
Then God will come back to the jews. This will happen after the coming; in the kingdom.
wakeup.

[Wakeup]

Camillia.

No, My believe is not equal to the wwcof God.
We need to grow spiritually now, not later.
Seek the KINGDOM NOW. We may not wakeup in the morning.

wakeup.

[Camillia]

Wakeup. Jesus comes back, and the end comes. Its that simple.  The end is the end. Then is a new heaven and a new earth. Simple…

[Camillia]

Camillia.

No, My believe is not equal to the wwcof God.
We need to grow spiritually now, not later.
Seek the KINGDOM NOW. We may not wakeup in the morning.

 

Wakeup, ok.

 

[Wakeup]

Camellia.

No; The second coming is not the end of God’s plan.
The jews needs to be grafted back on to the natural olive tree.
The end of God’s plan will be when satan and his angels are cast in the fire; and all the wicked in their graves are judged
at the second judgment. Then the new earth.

wakeup.

[Camillia]

I don’t believe it’s the wicked alone judged at the second resurrection, but all who have lived, and are not part of the first resurrection.

And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds. Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

 

ergon
ἔργον, ου, τό
work, labor, action, deed

[Wakeup]

Camellia.

According to scripture:
Daniel 7:12 As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.

Daniel 7:14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

Scripture says: Their dominion taken away; yet THEIR LIVES WERE PROLONGED for a season and time.
Your doctrine is in contradiction to the written word. Are you happy? Plus there will be still nations and laguages.
What do you say?

wakeup.

[Camillia]

Wakeup, no offense to you or me, but this is getting boring.

 

Dominion… I have no idea. Let’s talk about positive things elsewhere,

 

God bless. 🙂

 

 

[Wakeup]

Hi Camellia.

You must never say boring, regarding scriptures.
The Word Of God Is never Boring.

The first dominion spoken in Micah Is the 1000yr kingdom.
The second dominion will be the whole new earth.

Micah 4:8 And thou, O tower of the flock, the strong hold of the daughter of Zion, unto thee shall it come, even the first dominion; THE KINGDOM SHALL COME to the daughter of Jerusalem.

Praise the most High God; there is non beside Him.
wakeup.

[Camillia]

OK Wakeup, so we agree. But i consider the first dominion (thousand years of Christ’s reign) to be right now for Christians who know.  Do I have that right? No. You will disagree.

 

But that’s ok.

[Wakeup]

Camillia.

enter into that rest.
We the world, had no rest for 2000yrs. (jews slaughtered like animals).
Christians persecuted then beheaded. The church is divided. Plus God said it.
The land is desolate; maybe you like to put in a protest.
You should never feel satisfied until you get it all right.[/color]

wakeup.

[Wakeup]

Camillia.

I can not agree with you, simply because it is not in scripture.

The 1000yr kingdom is also the 1000yr rest. Some jews will never enter into that rest.
We the world, had no rest for 2000yrs. (jews slaughtered like animals).
Christians persecuted then beheaded. The church is divided. Plus God said it.
The land is desolate; maybe you like to put in a protest against God.
You should never feel satisfied until you get it all right

wakeup.

[Devolution]

Hi Camilla,

I don’t believe it’s the wicked alone judged at the second resurrection, but all who have lived, and are not part of the first resurrection.

We would agree, Wakeup was generalizing by just saying the wicked.

Dominion… I have no idea

Dominions are nations, usually the term dominion is used for the individual nations within an empire, absorbed nations by the lead empire-building host nation.

So when the empire breaks up, all dominions that make up that empire usually return to self rule .. like what happened to the dominions that made up the Roman empire.

OK Wakeup, so we agree. But i consider the first dominion (thousand years of Christ’s reign) to be right now for Christians who know. Do I have that right? No. You will disagree. But that’s ok.

It’s okay to disagree .. I disagree that the 1000 yr kingdom is now.

Isaiah 42:13 The LORD shall go forth as a mighty man, he shall stir up jealousy like a man of war: he shall cry, yea, roar; he shall prevail against his enemies.

A generalized statement with minimal detail focussing mainly on the beginning event : “Go forth” to it’s middle ground : “jealousy” to it’s end result :”prevail” in one compact overview.

Below however, as God usually does, now He introduces some details to unravel the generalization ..

Isaiah 42:14 I have long time holden my peace; I have been still, and refrained myself: now will I cry like a travailing woman; I will destroy and devour at once.

Christ has been at God’s right hand since His ascension .. when it is time, He will return to overthrow Satan and set up His dominion (kingdom) on earth and sit on His own throne .. the throne of David His inheritance in the Holy Land (earthly).

Long time has the Lord held His peace as His saints on earth have been suppressed, oppressed, killed, cheated etc etc .. He has been still and refrained Himself ..

Yet the main focus on His millennial rule consist of two important observations .. one is His ruling with a ROD OF IRON.

This we know occurs when He takes hands on control over the earth, ruling with a “rod of iron” does not consist of “holding ones peace”, nor from “refraining” oneself ..

Ruling with a rod of iron is a swift response type of rule that is opposite to holding ones peace / refraining oneself, which is what the Lord has been doing (refraining) these 2000 odd years.

Notice when He “stops refraining Himself” the direct result is Christ Himself personally warring?

Revelation 19 is one of the correlations .. knock out the armies and the power base and you end an empire.

Isaiah 42:15 I will make waste mountains and hills, and dry up all their herbs; and I will make the rivers islands, and I will dry up the pools.

This continues adding information to the generalized verse 13, though this is generalized too somewhat, .. nevertheless it correlates with the statue image being destroyed .. mountains are nations per Jeremiah 32:24 & Jere 33:4 .. thus hills are small nations .. both being laid waste.

Isaiah 42:16 And I will bring the blind by a way that they knew not; I will lead them in paths that they have not known: I will make darkness light before them, and crooked things straight. These things will I do unto them, and not forsake them.

This is a repeat of what Christ did for the Christians .. the Israelites too will be offered this same service .. because they knew not Christ also .. but they will when He returns .. because Christ is going to choose them again.

Matthew 23:39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

This was directed at the Israelites .. “Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord” is in their “chosen again” condition.

Notice the ungeneralised explanations / effects all result from His no longer refraining .. warring / destroying / restoring?

These are all keys to the millennial kingdom restoration period .. bind the strongman before pillaging his house .. everything declared scripturally follows a set out, ordered, sequence of events where the millennial rule only commences after the Satanic one ends .. and the Satanic rule only ends with Christ’s 2nd coming.

God bless.

[Camillia]

enter into that rest.
We the world, had no rest for 2000yrs. (jews slaughtered like animals).
Christians persecuted then beheaded. The church is divided. Plus God said it.
The land is desolate; maybe you like to put in a protest.
You should never feel satisfied until you get it all right.

Wakeup, hence why you see things negatively. Never entered His rest? Wakeup, how could you say that? Have you never felt at peace with yourself and others? Have you never felt God’s presence deep within you? Have you never lost fear? Have you never compared your darkness with light? Have you never though for a moment how magnificent Christ’s death and resurrection has been? Jesus said ‘Peace I leave with you, My peace I give to you, not as the world gives do I give to you. Do not let your heart be troubled, nor let it be afraid.’ Jesus said ‘Your sorrow will turn into joy’. Would you not love to even lose your life for your love of GOD?

Also, “The land is desolate” you keep saying. Wakeup – Again, I say to you, scripture does not say this. Again, it says the land is ripe and plentiful (Mat 9:37, John 4:35, Luke 10:2). How can you go back to the past when Jesus speaks of now? Show me where it says since Jesus’ death and resurrection the land is desolate? Show me, Wakeup so I can see your point of view.

[Camillia]

Hi Devolution.

when it is time, He will return to overthrow Satan and set up His dominion (kingdom) on earth and sit on His own throne .. the throne of David His inheritance in the Holy Land (earthly).

Where do you get that from? No. Jesus said His kingdom is not of this world, He goes to prepare a place, He comes back. His people meet Him in the air. Then is a new Heaven and a new Earth.

Get to your other points tomorrow.

[Devolution]

Hi Camilla,

First note the scripture I quoted about Christ inheriting His portion in the Holy land .. then remember I said Christ has an earthly inheritance too ..

Christ’s heavenly kingdom, the one that is “Not of this world”, is His Father’s kingdom in Heaven (All that belongs to the Father is the Son’s too remember) hence “My kingdom is not of this world” .. The source kingdom where the Father & the Son come from.

Come from?

Then recall the parable of the vineyard owner in the gospels and how He came from a “far country” .. that “far country” is heaven .. that is the kingdom “Not of this world” .. but the vineyard being spoken of in that parable(s) is on earth .. That parable vineyard is the kingdom of Israel .. God’s kingdom on earth.

Remember the wicked husbandmen? These wicked rulers have the kingdom of Israel (God’s earthly kingdom) in their hands .. and that kingdom was created by God (God, who was the first king, but the Israelites wanted a human king instead), and this kingdom, once again, is known as the kingdom of God (on earth) .. which matches this:

2 Chronicles 2:12Huram said moreover, Blessed be the LORD God of Israel, that made heaven and earth, who hath given to David the king a wise son, endued with prudence and understanding, that might build an house for the LORD, and an house for his kingdom.

“His kingdom” = The Lord’s kingdom on earth ..

And the “Husbandmen” (not all the husbandmen have been wicked over the ages) ..

2 Chronicles 13:8And now ye think to withstand the kingdom of the LORD in the hand of the sons of David; and ye be a great multitude, and there are with you golden calves, which Jeroboam made you for gods.

The KINGDOM OF THE LORD in the hands of men (Men = the Sons OF David)!!

This kingdom on earth is the kingdom Christ inherits.

This is the kingdom Christ is going to “set up” here on earth, this kingdom is the kingdom that the Apostles enquired about here:

Acts 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?

It is not only going to be restored, but rebuilt ..

Isaiah 61:4 And they shall build the old wastes, they shall raise up the former desolations, and they shall repair the waste cities, the desolations of many generations.

This is the same kingdom where Christ performs this task when He returns at the 2nd coming event:

Matthew 13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

Whose kingdom did it say? .. “His kingdom” .. Christ’s kingdom here on earth is the one having those who commit iniquity “Gathered out of” ..

Two kingdoms .. One is IN heaven .. the other is here on earth ..

Which correlates with this:

Revelation 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

ON the earth .. Which further correlates with this:

Daniel 7:27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

The only place “Under the whole heaven” (3rd heaven, 2nd heaven, 1st heaven) .. is .. Earth.

Hence when all opposition is defeated at the end of the millennium, this occurs:

1 Corinthians 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

Deliver .. UP ..

And what goes UP ..

Revelation 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

Must come down ..

Thanks Camilla.

[Camillia]

Hi Devolution.

First note the scripture I quoted about Christ inheriting His portion in the Holy land .. then remember I said Christ has an earthly inheritance too ..
Christ’s heavenly kingdom, the one that is “Not of this world”, is His Father’s kingdom in Heaven (All that belongs to the Father is the Son’s too remember) hence “My kingdom is not of this world” .. The source kingdom where the Father; the Son come from.

Yes I agree. Jesus said after the cross,  “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.”

Then recall the parable of the vineyard owner in the gospels and how He came from a “far country” .. that “far country” is heaven .. that is the kingdom “Not of this world” .. but the vineyard being spoken of in that parable(s) is on earth .. That parable vineyard is the kingdom of Israel .. God’s kingdom on earth.

Yes. This is speaking of Israel and its destruction. The kingdom was entrusted to Christians throughout the world.

‘But when the vine-growers saw the SON, they said among themselves, ‘This is the heir; come, let us KILL HIM and seize his inheritance.’ They took him, and threw him out of the vineyard and killed him. Therefore when the owner of the vineyard comes, WHAT WILL HE DO to those vine-growers?” They said to Him, “He will bring those wretches to a WRETCHED END, AND WILL RENT OUT THE VINEYARD TO OTHER VINE GROWERS who will pay him the proceeds at the proper seasons.”…………..”Therefore I say to you, the KINGDOM of God will be TAKEN AWAY FROM YOU and GIVEN TO A PEOPLE, PRODUCING THE FRUIT OF IT.”

This is the kingdom Christ is going to “set up” here on earth, this kingdom is the kingdom that the Apostles enquired about here:
Acts 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?

The kingdom to come is eternal, and it is set up forever on a new Heavens and a new Earth. That’s what scripture says plainly.

Matthew 13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
Whose kingdom did it say? .. “His kingdom” .. Christ’s kingdom here on earth is the one having those who commit iniquity “Gathered out of” ..

Yes.
Then, what does it say happens AFTER the wicked are gathered out of HIS kingdom? They are caught up to meet Jesus in the air. Plain and simple. This Earth is destroyed. He has gone to prepare a place which will eventually COME DOWN onto the NEW EARTH.

Two kingdoms .. One is IN heaven .. the other is here on earth ..
Which correlates with this:
Revelation 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

Yes, you just said it Devolution. That is now! Revelations starts with that verse as being in the present time – HAS MADE US TO BE A KINGDOM, PRIESTS to His God and Father – to Him be the glory and the DOMINION FOREVER AND EVER. AMEN.

Hence when all opposition is defeated at the end of the millennium, this occurs:
1 Corinthians 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

Yes. The millennium is coming to an end soon when Satan will be let lose for a short time, and then will be the end, in my understanding.

Deliver .. UP ..

And what goes UP ..

Revelation 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

Must come down ..

Yes, good one. That is on the new Earth.

Devolution, let’s keep our posts short as possible, and one point at a time, because I have much to do atm. Thanks so much. 🙂

[Camillia]

Hi, Wakeup.

I was speaking of the 1000yr rest for the jews.

Here… now… present, and then is eternity for Jew or Gentile alike in my understanding.

And the saints as kings and priests.

Saints as kings and priests only future?
When was Revelation written? Past, yes?

Revelation 1:4-6. John to the seven churches that are in Asia: Grace to you and peace, from Him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the seven Spirits who are before His throne, and from JESUS CHRIST, the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and THE RULER OF THE KINGS OF THE EARTH. To Him who loves us and released us from our sins by His blood— and HE HAS MADE US TO BE A KINGDOM, PRIESTS TO HIS GOD AND FATHER-TO HIM BE THE GLORY AND THE DOMINION FOREVER AND EVER. AMEN.

So, not only future, Wakeup. Already occurred. A kingdom already made by Jesus of saints and priests, and His dominion which lasts forever and ever. Amen.

SEE the above scripture… and explain your alternative understanding, please.

No more tears,sorrows, pain, wars.
Spears turned into pruning hooks, swords into plough shares.
All truly in Chris are at rest spiritually.

If we know Jesus and the Father, our past sorrows and emotional pain are gone, as are all wars, both personal and literal (a Christian should not take part in war). So, our “spears and swords” ARE turned into “pruning hooks (think spiritually with that!) and “plowshares”. Amen. Praise be to God.

 

but still suffer from pain and sufferings and abuse and wars.

Family problems and you name it. And the great tribulation coming.
Many of our brothers and sisters are going through their tribulation this minute.
They are being killed for not willing to give up their believe system.
You still suffer from pain and problems, we all are.

When you are not of this world and do not love the things of this world, it makes little difference. e.g., I don’t fight with anyone anymore. All physical pain and suffering is temporary. If we die for our love of God, or neighbor, that is love manifested. Yet, you place this accomplishment in Christ as future. No, Wakeup, the future is ETERNITY. You say there will be DEATH in the future kingdom as described in my own last words. Well, that is even more evidence that it is today, and the kingdom to come is eternity where there is no more death, the last enemy to be swallowed up in VICTORY.

God’s own words: The land is desolate, and you should accept that as truth.

No. Since Jesus came, scripture says instead:

“The harvest is PLENTIFUL.” Matt 9:37.

‘Behold, I say to you, LIFT UP YOUR EYES AND LOOK ON THE FIELDS, THAT THEY ARE WHITE FOR HARVEST. Already he who reaps is receiving wages and is gathering fruit for life eternal; so that he who sows and he who reaps may rejoice together.’ John 4:35

‘I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could count, from every nation and all tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, and palm branches were in their hands…’

Yet, you say the land is desolate.
Wakeup, all of the proof to your two points is in the scriptures above.

The land is ripe for harvesting and has been since Jesus came. So, we either gather fruit, or we gather thorns, and that which is not fruitful is cast into the fire. Will You gather fruit because the land is plentiful, or will you gather thorns, because, in your mind the land is desolate?

A thousand years peace has been entered into.

Jesus said “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.”

Jesus conquered death and bound the power of Satan.

Scripture says “He himself likewise partook of the same things, that through death he might destroy the one who has the power of death, that is, the devil, (soon to be released one last time, but still limited in power since the cross, so he could not deceive the nations.) Yet, are you saying that Satan’s binding of power is still future, and never happened with the cross?

Can you interpret this scripture please?

Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

The midst of the week when the sacrifice cease would be when Jesus was crucified, and the desolation would be when Jerusalem was destroyed in 70ad. Are you saying Daniel 9:27 is still future?

[Camillia]

I have been watching your video posted.
A group of PROFESSORS still discussing the gospels and revelation.??
Are they not professors? The scribes?
Professors suppose to teach; what are they teaching the flock?
This is proof that the land is in desolation.

🙂
Wakeup, they are just having a discussion on their different beliefs much like we are here. Did you notice your man (the pre-millenialist – the dude with the glasses on Piper’s left hand side) kept overtalking the Amilenialist (the guy on Piper’s right?).

So, what’s the difference between you discussing your view with those of opposing views, and them doing likewise? And you say because of their behavior the land is desolate? Hmmm…..

[Wakeup]

Camellia.

They are suppose to be professors in theology, and sill can not understand the basics?
We are here discussing deeper things than they.
All new deep things are being discussed here.
It is only that most can not, or will not yet comprehend it, because it is deeper than the usual.
I have revealed many deeper things, it will take time to all sink in, if one just let it.
Btw. I thought post mill means millennium after the coming, not before the coming.
This pre mill and A mill, and post mill is something new men have dreamed up.
I believe in the millennium after the coming, and is in harmony with scriptures;
until someone can come up with scriptures and prophecy, to proof me wrong.

wakeup.

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