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Quote Babylon the great is the harlot, the physical side, or better said, the manifestation of Satan's ideals, his kingdom. She belongs to Satan, but she herself is not Satan.
She is spiritual, but her works are manifested in the physical..riches, luxuries, blood of believers, all physical.I do not think so according to Paul,RO 7:14 For we know that the Law is spiritual, but I am of flesh, sold into bondage to sin.
RO 7:18 For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh; for the willing is present in me, but the doing of the good is not.
RO 7:25 Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, on the one hand I myself with my mind am serving the law of God, but on the other, with my flesh the law of sin.RO 8:4 so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.
RO 8:7 because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so,
RO 8:8 and those who are in the flesh cannot please GodRO 8:9 However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him
so this are the rules sins the beginning of sin,with Adam ,AND SO SATAN IS THE WHORE ,BECAUSE HE SITS ON HIS OWN WORLD ,EITHER POLITICAL.RELIGION.COMMERCIAL TO GIVE GIFTS TO THOSE THAT PLEASES HIM ,SO TO TAKE THEM OF GOD'S RULES AND SATISFY THERE FLESH,
Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 31 2013,02:57) devo Quote Babylon the great is the harlot, the physical side, or better said, the manifestation of Satan's ideals, his kingdom. She belongs to Satan, but she herself is not Satan.
She is spiritual, but her works are manifested in the physical..riches, luxuries, blood of believers, all physical.I do not think so according to Paul,RO 7:14 For we know that the Law is spiritual, but I am of flesh, sold into bondage to sin.
RO 7:18 For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh; for the willing is present in me, but the doing of the good is not.
RO 7:25 Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, on the one hand I myself with my mind am serving the law of God, but on the other, with my flesh the law of sin.RO 8:4 so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.
RO 8:7 because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so,
RO 8:8 and those who are in the flesh cannot please GodRO 8:9 However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him
so this are the rules sins the beginning of sin,with Adam ,AND SO SATAN IS THE WHORE ,BECAUSE HE SITS ON HIS OWN WORLD ,EITHER POLITICAL.RELIGION.COMMERCIAL TO GIVE GIFTS TO THOSE THAT PLEASES HIM ,SO TO TAKE THEM OF GOD'S RULES AND SATISFY THERE FLESH,
Hi Terra.The scripture says that satan is carrying *his woman* on his back through all his kingdoms.
Although satan is the god of this world,he also has his *system* with him,where ever he goes.The woman is *his system* of running his kingdoms.
His system is based on doing the will of the flesh.
Gods system is doing the will o God.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 31 2013,07:47) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 31 2013,02:57) devo Quote Babylon the great is the harlot, the physical side, or better said, the manifestation of Satan's ideals, his kingdom. She belongs to Satan, but she herself is not Satan.
She is spiritual, but her works are manifested in the physical..riches, luxuries, blood of believers, all physical.I do not think so according to Paul,RO 7:14 For we know that the Law is spiritual, but I am of flesh, sold into bondage to sin.
RO 7:18 For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh; for the willing is present in me, but the doing of the good is not.
RO 7:25 Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, on the one hand I myself with my mind am serving the law of God, but on the other, with my flesh the law of sin.RO 8:4 so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.
RO 8:7 because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so,
RO 8:8 and those who are in the flesh cannot please GodRO 8:9 However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him
so this are the rules sins the beginning of sin,with Adam ,AND SO SATAN IS THE WHORE ,BECAUSE HE SITS ON HIS OWN WORLD ,EITHER POLITICAL.RELIGION.COMMERCIAL TO GIVE GIFTS TO THOSE THAT PLEASES HIM ,SO TO TAKE THEM OF GOD'S RULES AND SATISFY THERE FLESH,
Hi Terra.The scripture says that satan is carrying *his woman* on his back through all his kingdoms.
Although satan is the god of this world,he also has his *system* with him,where ever he goes.The woman is *his system* of running his kingdoms.
His system is based on doing the will of the flesh.
Gods system is doing the will o God.wakeup.
wakeupyou do not steering anyone if you are not in the driver seat ,sorry but the whore his Satan steering his world
Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 31 2013,13:23) Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 31 2013,07:47) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 31 2013,02:57) devo Quote Babylon the great is the harlot, the physical side, or better said, the manifestation of Satan's ideals, his kingdom. She belongs to Satan, but she herself is not Satan.
She is spiritual, but her works are manifested in the physical..riches, luxuries, blood of believers, all physical.I do not think so according to Paul,RO 7:14 For we know that the Law is spiritual, but I am of flesh, sold into bondage to sin.
RO 7:18 For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh; for the willing is present in me, but the doing of the good is not.
RO 7:25 Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, on the one hand I myself with my mind am serving the law of God, but on the other, with my flesh the law of sin.RO 8:4 so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.
RO 8:7 because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so,
RO 8:8 and those who are in the flesh cannot please GodRO 8:9 However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him
so this are the rules sins the beginning of sin,with Adam ,AND SO SATAN IS THE WHORE ,BECAUSE HE SITS ON HIS OWN WORLD ,EITHER POLITICAL.RELIGION.COMMERCIAL TO GIVE GIFTS TO THOSE THAT PLEASES HIM ,SO TO TAKE THEM OF GOD'S RULES AND SATISFY THERE FLESH,
Hi Terra.The scripture says that satan is carrying *his woman* on his back through all his kingdoms.
Although satan is the god of this world,he also has his *system* with him,where ever he goes.The woman is *his system* of running his kingdoms.
His system is based on doing the will of the flesh.
Gods system is doing the will o God.wakeup.
wakeupyou do not steering anyone if you are not in the driver seat ,sorry but the whore his Satan steering his world
Terra.Every nation/country has a leader that runs the country.
And he runs the country based on a system/laws.
Satan *is running* his world based on *his system*;and his *system* is also his woman. And his system is based on the will of the flesh.Satan *is not* the system;but the whore is.
Obama *is not* the system,but he is running the country based on the system.Satan is the driver; he is running his car his *own way*.
his *own way* is also his system/rules/laws.wakeup.
Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 31 2013,15:11) Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 31 2013,09:04) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 31 2013,13:23) Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 31 2013,07:47) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 31 2013,02:57) devo Quote Babylon the great is the harlot, the physical side, or better said, the manifestation of Satan's ideals, his kingdom. She belongs to Satan, but she herself is not Satan.
She is spiritual, but her works are manifested in the physical..riches, luxuries, blood of believers, all physical.I do not think so according to Paul,RO 7:14 For we know that the Law is spiritual, but I am of flesh, sold into bondage to sin.
RO 7:18 For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh; for the willing is present in me, but the doing of the good is not.
RO 7:25 Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, on the one hand I myself with my mind am serving the law of God, but on the other, with my flesh the law of sin.RO 8:4 so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.
RO 8:7 because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so,
RO 8:8 and those who are in the flesh cannot please GodRO 8:9 However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him
so this are the rules sins the beginning of sin,with Adam ,AND SO SATAN IS THE WHORE ,BECAUSE HE SITS ON HIS OWN WORLD ,EITHER POLITICAL.RELIGION.COMMERCIAL TO GIVE GIFTS TO THOSE THAT PLEASES HIM ,SO TO TAKE THEM OF GOD'S RULES AND SATISFY THERE FLESH,
Hi Terra.The scripture says that satan is carrying *his woman* on his back through all his kingdoms.
Although satan is the god of this world,he also has his *system* with him,where ever he goes.The woman is *his system* of running his kingdoms.
His system is based on doing the will of the flesh.
Gods system is doing the will o God.wakeup.
wakeupyou do not steering anyone if you are not in the driver seat ,sorry but the whore his Satan steering his world
Terra.Every nation/country has a leader that runs the country.
And he runs the country based on a system/laws.
Satan *is running* his world based on *his system*;and his *system* is also his woman. And his system is based on the will of the flesh.Satan *is not* the system;but the whore is.
Obama *is not* the system,but he is running the country based on the system.Satan is the driver; he is running his car his *own way*.
his *own way* is also his system/rules/laws.wakeup.
WAKEUPwell on this I strongly disagree with you ,and for many reasons
1)Rev 17:11 The beast who once was, and now is not, is an eighth king. He belongs to the seven and is going to his destruction.
this is after the millennium,
2)Rev 17:15 Then the angel said to me, “The waters you saw, where the prostitute sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations and languages.
those are the second resurrected people
Rev 17:16 The beast and the ten horns you saw will hate the prostitute. They will bring her to ruin and leave her naked; they will eat her flesh and burn her with fire.
Rev 17:17 For God has put it into their hearts to accomplish his purpose by agreeing to give the beast their power to rule, until God’s words are fulfilled.
Rev 17:18 The woman you saw is the great city that rules over the kings of the earth.”this is the final test to fulfil the words of God ,to my understanding “THE CITY” means the centre of Satan operations on earth at that time ,
Rev 18:1 After this I saw another angel coming down from heaven. He had great authority, and the earth was illuminated by his splendor.
Rev 18:2 With a mighty voice he shouted:
“Fallen! Fallen is Babylon the Great!
She has become a home for demons
and a haunt for every evil spirit,
a haunt for every unclean and detestable bird.
Rev 18:3 For all the nations have drunk
the maddening wine of her adulteries.
The kings of the earth committed adultery with her,
and the merchants of the earth grew rich from her excessive luxuries.”
Rev 18:4 Then I heard another voice from heaven say:THIS IS THE REVELATION (MESSAGE)THAT WILL BE GIVEN TO ALL OF THE RESURRECTED PEOPLE OF THE SECOND RESURRECTION
“Come out of her, my people,
so that you will not share in her sins,
so that you will not receive any of her plagues;THIS WILL BE THE NEW MESSAGE TO THOSE RESURRECTED ONES ,THIS WOULD BE THE FINAL CALL ,AND ONLY LAST ONE HOUR
THE TRUE REASONS TO LISTEN TO THIS MESSAGE IS GIVEN NEXT ;
Rev 18:5 for her sins are piled up to heaven,
and God has remembered her crimes.
Rev 18:6 Give back to her as she has given;
pay her back double for what she has done.
Mix her a double portion from her own cup.
Rev 18:7 Give her as much torture and grief
as the glory and luxury she gave herself.
In her heart she boasts,
‘I sit as queen; I am not a widow,
and I will never mourn.’
Rev 18:8 Therefore in one day her plagues will overtake her:
death, mourning and famine.
She will be consumed by fire,
for mighty is the Lord God who judges her.
Rev 18:9 “When the kings of the earth who committed adultery with her and shared her luxury see the smoke of her burning, they will weep and mourn over her.
Rev 18:10 Terrified at her torment, they will stand far off and cry:
“ ‘Woe! Woe, O great city,
O Babylon, city of power!
In one hour your doom has come!’
Rev 18:11 “The merchants of the earth will weep and mourn over her because no one buys their cargoes any more—
Rev 18:12 cargoes of gold, silver, precious stones and pearls; fine linen, purple, silk and scarlet cloth; every sort of citron wood, and articles of every kind made of ivory, costly wood, bronze, iron and marble;
Rev 18:13 cargoes of cinnamon and spice, of incense, myrrh and frankincense, of wine and olive oil, of fine flour and wheat; cattle and sheep; horses and carriages; and bodies and souls of men.
Rev 18:14 “They will say, ‘The fruit you longed for is gone from you. All your riches and splendor have vanished, never to be recovered.’
Rev 18:15 The merchants who sold these things and gained their wealth from her will stand far off, terrified at her torment. They will weep and mourn
Rev 18:16 and cry out:
“ ‘Woe! Woe, O grea
t city,
dressed in fine linen, purple and scarlet,
and glittering with gold, precious stones and pearls!
Rev 18:17 In one hour such great wealth has been brought to ruin!’
“Every sea captain, and all who travel by ship, the sailors, and all who earn their living from the sea, will stand far off.
Rev 18:18 When they see the smoke of her burning, they will exclaim, ‘Was there ever a city like this great city ?’
Rev 18:19 They will throw dust on their heads, and with weeping and mourning cry out:
“ ‘Woe! Woe, O great city,
where all who had ships on the sea
became rich through her wealth!
In one hour she has been brought to ruin!
Rev 18:20 Rejoice over her, O heaven!
Rejoice, saints and apostles and prophets!
God has judged her for the way she treated you.’ ”
Rev 18:21 Then a mighty angel picked up a boulder the size of a large millstone and threw it into the sea, and said:
“With such violence
the great city of Babylon will be thrown down,
never to be found again.
Rev 18:22 The music of harpists and musicians, flute players and trumpeters,
will never be heard in you again.
No workman of any trade
will ever be found in you again.
The sound of a millstone
will never be heard in you again.
Rev 18:23 The light of a lamp
will never shine in you again.
The voice of bridegroom and bride
will never be heard in you again.
Your merchants were the world’s great men.
By your magic spell all the nations were led astray.
Rev 18:24 In her was found the blood of prophets and of the saints,
and of all who have been killed on the earth.”THIS ARE A FEW I can think of
Terra.QUOTE:
1)Rev 17:11 The beast who once was, and now is not, is an eighth king. He belongs to the seven and is going to his destruction.this is after the millennium,
2)Rev 17:15 Then the angel said to me, “The waters you saw, where the prostitute sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations and languages.
those are the second resurrected people
UNQUOTE:WHY IS ALL THAT HAVE TO BE AFTER THE MILLENNIUM?
IN THE MILLENNIUM CHRIST IS GOING TO RULE HIS KINGDOM AND THE WORLD WILL HAVE NO MORE EMPIRES/DOMINIONS.
DAN. 7:12.AS CONCERNING THE REST OF THE BEAST,THEY HAVE THEIR DOMINION TAKEN AWAY;
YET THEIR LIVES WERE PROPLONGED FOR A SEASON AND TIME.wakeup.
WAKEUP
Quote IN THE MILLENNIUM CHRIST IS GOING TO RULE HIS KINGDOM AND THE WORLD WILL HAVE NO MORE EMPIRES/DOMINIONS. the millennium is not for the unrighteous but for the righteous to be with their king ,and built the coming event (second resurrection) cleanup the earth participate in making the earth a living for the righteous ones ;the second resurrection understand will come within that new kingdom, and also understand ,scriptures says that the ones from the first resurrection will not be affected by the appearance of what was to come ;
Rev 20:4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Rev 20:5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy are those who have part in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years,but during the millennium work are set up ;
Rev 20:4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
this is the first resurrection ,also imply the righteous men from of old ,Abel, Noah, Jeremy ,Daniel, and what ? to much to call could be millions ?
Quote DAN. 7:12.AS CONCERNING THE REST OF THE BEAST,THEY HAVE THEIR DOMINION TAKEN AWAY;
YET THEIR LIVES WERE PROPLONGED FOR A SEASON AND TIME.Rev 20:1 And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key to the Abyss and holding in his hand a great chain.
Rev 20:2 He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years.
Rev 20:3 He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time.Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 31 2013,02:57) devo Quote Babylon the great is the harlot, the physical side, or better said, the manifestation of Satan's ideals, his kingdom. She belongs to Satan, but she herself is not Satan.
She is spiritual, but her works are manifested in the physical..riches, luxuries, blood of believers, all physical.I do not think so according to Paul,RO 7:14 For we know that the Law is spiritual, but I am of flesh, sold into bondage to sin.
RO 7:18 For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh; for the willing is present in me, but the doing of the good is not.
RO 7:25 Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, on the one hand I myself with my mind am serving the law of God, but on the other, with my flesh the law of sin.RO 8:4 so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.
RO 8:7 because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so,
RO 8:8 and those who are in the flesh cannot please GodRO 8:9 However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him
so this are the rules sins the beginning of sin,with Adam ,AND SO SATAN IS THE WHORE ,BECAUSE HE SITS ON HIS OWN WORLD ,EITHER POLITICAL.RELIGION.COMMERCIAL TO GIVE GIFTS TO THOSE THAT PLEASES HIM ,SO TO TAKE THEM OF GOD'S RULES AND SATISFY THERE FLESH,
Hi Terra,I think I know now what has happened, and i'm speaking to you from my heart and admitting my error…
You see, I have been wondering about this 7 headed beast lately and questioning whether it is actually Satan or just stood for Satan's empires because of rev 17:15, meaning that I was starting to see this 7 headed beast as just a reflection of Satan's kingdoms, and not Satan himself, because the scripture said that this beast was peoples & nations & multitudes & tongues.
So i got caught up in that one verse (17:15) and also kept coming back to the wounded head (13:3), and the 7 mountains (17:9-10), and all I kept seeing was this beast standing for peoples etc.
But then it occurred to me, I was missing something very important, which I already understood before, but I was so hung up on the peoples & multitudes part of this beast that I was breaking a golden rule…
There are no pro's & cons with God.
Meaning, even if there is just one verse that goes against our own opinions and six that agree, then because of that one single verse that disagrees, the problem then can only be with our understanding & not the scriptures.
Because the contradiction is never in the written word, but in our own understanding of that word.
So tonight I prayed as I was going over it again and it occurred to me, check rev ch12
I was so caught up in my own analysis & where it was leading, that I spoke too soon before settling the conflict within myself & the scriptures.
I made a silly mistake.
Sure we are told to test our understanding and question what we already understand, which I always do…but we should wait until the matter is settled within ourselves before jumping the gun and blurting out interpretations not yet fully resolved during that self analysis process.
Again, I made a silly mistake, because tonight I finally finished testing my understanding on this subject and realized I was going down the wrong path of discernment.
I was wrong.
The 7 headed beast is Satan himself…Satan and his kingdoms rolled into one metaphoric image.
So I gladly reject my own opinion that was forming & distracting me and once again embrace & agree with what Wakeup said all along…(which should show that we do not follow Wakeup blindly), but test every mans word no matter who they are…which the Lord commands…which by the way, would make Wakeup very happy to know we don't just accept what he says blindly, be they our teachers or not.
Anyway, here is what put me back on track:
Rev 12:
3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
Red = scarlet…same as rev 17
And the identity of this beast?7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
There it is Terra, it is settled for me once again, it is Satan and I was wrong in my ponderings & should have waited before letting my thoughts out on a public forum in the way I did.
Silly me.
Lesson learnt.
I am embarrassed, but pleased to have settled it for myself.Because this SAME 7 headed beast was kicked out of heaven, therefore it has to mean Satan himself AND his kingdoms rolled into ONE.
Because no man has been to heaven except He who came down from heaven.
I beg you to also concentrate on rev ch12, it can't be anything other than Satan himself.
Which also means that the whore just can NOT be Satan…
God bless.
devo
Quote There it is Terra, it is settled for me once again, it is Satan and I was wrong in my ponderings & should have waited before letting my thoughts out on a public forum in the way I did. Silly me.
Lesson learnt.
I am embarrassed, but pleased to have settled it for myself.Because this SAME 7 headed beast was kicked out of heaven, therefore it has to mean Satan himself AND his kingdoms rolled into ONE.
Because no man has been to heaven except He who came down from heaven.
I beg you to also concentrate on rev ch12, it can't be anything other than Satan himself.
Which also means that the whore just can NOT be Satan…
first i have to tell you how i feel now talking to you ,it is so good ,and hope to maintain it because it is gold to me ,may God the father of our Lord bless our conversation for our benefit and all that can read it ;
ok ,back to you understanding ; first it is my understanding that all the beast are not Satan himself ,THE DRAGON WITH THE TAIL IS DEFINITELY HIM,NO DOUBTS THERE,
BUT THE REVELATION 12 IS NOT ,BUT IS A REPRESENTATION OF WHAT IS IN HEAVEN (SATAN LEVEL OF ACCESS) AND SO IT IS WITH REVELATION 17 THE SCARLET BEAST ,
THIS SAID NOW ;WE ALSO HAVE TO LOCK ,AND THIS IS TO TEST WHAT WE UNDERSTAND ;AT WHAT POINT IN TIME DID SATAN WAS CAST OUT OF HEAVEN (DRAGON AND HIS DEMONS FALLEN ANGELS)???
B) THIS IS IT RELATED TO THE END AND BEGINNING OF THE MILLENNIUM
IF NOT COULD MEAN DIFFERENT THINGS THAN IF YES RIGHT BUT WHAT WE KNOW IS THAT AT ONE POINT :HE WAS THEN IS NOT AND THEN APPEARS AGAIN : THIS TO ME IS ONLY TRUE WITHIN THE TIME OF SATAN BEING CHAINED FOR 1000 YEARS,AND THEN BE RELEASED ; SO THAT THIS MOTION CAN TRULY BE APPLIED ,DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS ?
NOW TURNING TO THE BEASTS FROM REVELATION 12/17/ BOTH BEAST ARE DESCRIBED WITH DIFFERENT DESCRIPTIONS ,MORE RELATED TO THE EARTH AND DESCRIPTION FIND IN THE SCRIPTURES ,LIKE MOUNTAINS = KINGS-LEADERS ,HILLS = PROMINENT PEOPLE FOREST = PEOPLE AND SO ON..; i DO THIS BY MEMORY (I BELIEVE THIS IS SPELLED OUT IN THE BOOK OF EZEKIEL )
WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT SATAN IS NOT RUNNING AROUND AMONG US ON FOOT OR IN THE NEXT VEHICLE AND LIVES NEXT DOOR ,
HIS POWER LAYS WITH THE KINGS OF THE EARTH ,HE PULL STRINGS AND GOD PULL THE STRINGS THAT SATAN CANNOT PULL AFTER ALL IT IS GOD'S WILL THAT IS DONE NOT SATAN HE AS BECOME A TESTER PUPPET ,
PLEASE FORGIVE MY CAPITAL LETTERS I SEE THEM BETTER ;I AM NOT ANGRY JUST OLD
Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 01 2013,05:29)
Hi Terra,Quote first i have to tell you how i feel now talking to you ,it is so good ,and hope to maintain it because it is gold to me ,may God the father of our Lord bless our conversation for our benefit and all that can read it ; Me too
Quote ok ,back to you understanding ; first it is my understanding that all the beast are not Satan himself ,THE DRAGON WITH THE TAIL IS DEFINITELY HIM,NO DOUBTS THERE, BUT THE REVELATION 12 IS NOT ,BUT IS A REPRESENTATION OF WHAT IS IN HEAVEN (SATAN LEVEL OF ACCESS) AND SO IT IS WITH REVELATION 17 THE SCARLET BEAST ,
I see what you are saying Terra, but if rev 12 represents Satans level of access, then to me, musn't it also then have to represent Satan?
Wouldn't that mean then that same rule would apply to the scarlet beast too?Quote THIS SAID NOW ;WE ALSO HAVE TO LOCK ,AND THIS IS TO TEST WHAT WE UNDERSTAND ;AT WHAT POINT IN TIME DID SATAN WAS CAST OUT OF HEAVEN (DRAGON AND HIS DEMONS FALLEN ANGELS)??? To me, in rev 12, Satan & his angels still had access to heaven, and Satan came down waiting for that child (Christ) which was going to be born…to kill Him…
Remember Jesus said, 'Now is the prince of this world judged'…So to me, when Jesus was in the world, Satan was trying everything to kill Him, Satan was on earth keeping an eye on Jesus constantly and whilst he was on earth monitoring Jesus, a judgment was passed in heaven against Satan.
Then we read in rev 12 that the Child (Jesus) was taken up to heaven and then there was war in heaven.
So to me, Satan was cast out of heaven after Jesus was resurrected.
Quote B) THIS IS IT RELATED TO THE END AND BEGINNING OF THE MILLENNIUM IF NOT COULD MEAN DIFFERENT THINGS THAN IF YES RIGHT I do believe it means something else Terra.
I do not believe this is related to the millennium, the reason is this, because the New Testament came into force when Jesus was crucified, bringing in mercy which the old law did not have, then Satan lost his power to accuse mankind before God, so because of that newly introduced mercy, he lost his access to heaven for ever and had no more right to accuse mankind before God.
But Satan refused to go without a fight, hence the war in heaven.Quote BUT WHAT WE KNOW IS THAT AT ONE POINT :HE WAS THEN IS NOT AND THEN APPEARS AGAIN : THIS TO ME IS ONLY TRUE WITHIN THE TIME OF SATAN BEING CHAINED FOR 1000 YEARS,AND THEN BE RELEASED ; SO THAT THIS MOTION CAN TRULY BE APPLIED ,DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS ? I understand where you are coming from, but the beast that was, and is not, and yet is, that beast is the 8th and is of the 7.
And since the 7 heads before it were empires, and the 8th is of the 7th, then the 8th has to be an empire too.
I firmly believe the 8th is Babel reborn, I am convinced beyond doubt on that one brother!Quote NOW TURNING TO THE BEASTS FROM REVELATION 12/17/ BOTH BEAST ARE DESCRIBED WITH DIFFERENT DESCRIPTIONS ,MORE RELATED TO THE EARTH AND DESCRIPTION FIND IN THE SCRIPTURES ,LIKE MOUNTAINS = KINGS-LEADERS ,HILLS = PROMINENT PEOPLE FOREST = PEOPLE AND SO ON..; i DO THIS BY MEMORY (I BELIEVE THIS IS SPELLED OUT IN THE BOOK OF EZEKIEL ) WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT SATAN IS NOT RUNNING AROUND AMONG US ON FOOT OR IN THE NEXT VEHICLE AND LIVES NEXT DOOR ,
HIS POWER LAYS WITH THE KINGS OF THE EARTH ,HE PULL STRINGS AND GOD PULL THE STRINGS THAT SATAN CANNOT PULL AFTER ALL IT IS GOD'S WILL THAT IS DONE NOT SATAN HE AS BECOME A TESTER PUPPET,
Agreed.
And this is what was playing on my mind, the human factor of the beast (peoples, nations etc).But if we say that the beast represents Satan & his kingdom, instead of just one of them, then that problem I was struggling with disappears, and things realign themselves with scriptures.
Quote PLEASE FORGIVE MY CAPITAL LETTERS I SEE THEM BETTER ;I AM NOT ANGRY JUST OLD Ha ha, you use any them any way you want Terra, I don't see them as angry…it helps me see them better too
Even though I have settled it in my heart again, I will keep looking at it and testing it just in case…and discuss it more with my brethren tonight…
I have enjoyed talking to you about this Terra, and have a better understanding of what you see also…
God bless you brother.
devo
Quote But if we say that the beast represents Satan & his kingdom, instead of just one of them, then that problem I was struggling with disappears, and things realign themselves with scriptures. this is what i see and how i understand it ;the beast is Satan earthly organization (mean the corrupted secret dark powers in this world) Satan is the one that sit on them because he is steering them away from God,BUT YES THEY BOTH ARE DOING EVIL AND HAVE THE SAME PURPOSE AND SELFISH INTEREST ,
DEVO,,
Quote The 7 headed beast is Satan himself…Satan and his kingdoms rolled into one metaphoric image. And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. He had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on his horns, and on each head a blasphemous name.
Rev 13:2 The beast I saw resembled a leopard, but had feet like those of a bear and a mouth like that of a lion. The dragon gave the beast his power and his throne and great authority.
Rev 13:3 One of the heads of the beast seemed to have had a fatal wound, but the fatal wound had been healed. The whole world was astonished and followed the beast.
Rev 13:4 Men worshiped the dragon because he had given authority to the beast, and they also worshiped the beast and asked, “Who is like the beast? Who can make war against him?”this beast that comes out of the sea his not satan because it is the dragon that his satan ,the beast is his earthly organization ,see verse 4
Rev 13:11 Then I saw another beast, coming out of the earth. He had two horns like a lamb, but he spoke like a dragon.
Rev 13:12 He exercised all the authority of the first beast on his behalf, and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed.
Rev 13:13 And he performed great and miraculous signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven to earth in full view of men.
Rev 13:14 Because of the signs he was given power to do on behalf of the first beast, he deceived the inhabitants of the earth. He ordered them to set up an image in honor of the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived.now this beast again is not Satan,but another of his organization doing something in some other part of the world but it seems not far off ,
terraricca,Sep. wrote:[/quote]
Hi Terra,Rev 13:1
And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
I agree with you about the beast coming out of the sea.
That particular vision is only regarding the world empires.
That beast is not Satan himself, agreed, because Satan gives him great authority in v2, and Satan is not made up of peoples & nations etc.That's good, we agree on 1 out of 1 so far
And brother….THANK YOU, you helped me clear that up in my mind
God bless you.(rev 13 continued)
11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
Quote now this beast again is not Satan, but another of his organization doing something in some other part of the world but it seems not far off , We agree that this is not Satan either.
That's 2 out of 2
Notice this beast does not come out of water, but out of the earth, so he is not an empire but something else correct?
My friend, this is definitely the false prophet himself.
And here is why I am so positive:
#1 – Notice this beast deceives the people by his miracles
#2 – Deceives them into worshipping the image
#3 – Deceives them into taking the mark of the beast
So any other character in the bible who does these things, has to be this same beast right?
Because there is only one mark of the beast event in scripture with miracles and a image deceiving the whole world…it is unique to this beast…agreed?
Well this one below meets all 3 unique requirements that no other character in the bible does…
Rev 19:
19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army. (This is the 1st beast made up of waters… because kings & armies = peoples & nations & tongues, because they are people etc)20 And the beast was taken, and with him ….the false prophet that wrought miracles before him (in his presence, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
This beast is the false prophet himself brother!!
The only one in the bible who meets all 3 unique requirements, and God even identified him by title for us!!
When you are finished analysing this, let me know if we have achieved 3 out of 3 so far!!
Then we can further look into the scarlet beast & the woman
God bless.
devo
Quote Notice this beast does not come out of water, but out of the earth, so he is not an empire but something else correct? yes true .
Quote 15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. 16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
Quote This beast is the false prophet himself brother!! the beast is not a false prophet under any condition ,just like frogs are no horses ;
I am ,slowly have the understanding that China may be that beast ; by looking at its history ,and how it had become now very powerful and is a image of the western world ,but yet is not , false prophet I believe will come when the true faces of the hypocrites religion leaders going to come out and support any of the beast for their own interest and so selling out all their followers ,what is different from what Christ did “HE GIVE HIS LIVE TO SAVE US “
DEVO
the reason why I turn to China ,is that China his a fairly new rise in power (second w.w) and all what it as done under Mao ,was ,under his control ,he even make all the Chinese included the rulers ware the one suite in blue and kill all rebels (+- 24 millions of them I believe my memory)
Rev 13:15 He was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that it could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed.
Rev 13:16 He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead,
Rev 13:17 so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name.
Rev 13:18 This calls for wisdom. If anyone has insight, let him calculate the number of the beast, for it is man’s number. His number is 666.this is all I have for now
Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 02 2013,01:12) devo Quote Notice this beast does not come out of water, but out of the earth, so he is not an empire but something else correct? yes true .
Quote 15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. 16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
Quote This beast is the false prophet himself brother!! the beast is not a false prophet under any condition ,just like frogs are no horses ;
I am ,slowly have the understanding that China may be that beast ; by looking at its history ,and how it had become now very powerful and is a image of the western world ,but yet is not , false prophet I believe will come when the true faces of the hypocrites religion leaders going to come out and support any of the beast for their own interest and so selling out all their followers ,what is different from what Christ did “HE GIVE HIS LIVE TO SAVE US “
Terra,Q1
Do you agree that the 2nd beast (rev13) does:
#1 – miracles
#2 – Image
#3 – Mark of the beast?Q2
Do you agree that it is a unique event that only one particular beast in the entire bible does?Q3
Do you agree that the below says that the false prophet does:#1 – Miracles
#2 – Image
#3 – Mark of the beast?Rev 19:20
And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.Q4
Do you agree that God said both of them?
Both only means twoQ5
Do you agree there are two different beasts in rev ch13.?
Two means bothQ6
Do you agree that at least one of them is an empire?.Q7
Doesn't both ch13 & ch19 speak of two beasts?Q8
Did God say in ch19 that the one doing the miracles, image & mark was the false prophet?Rev 19:20
And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.Q9
Doesn't Daniel not only describe empires (kings) as beasts[/b], but men are beasts also?Daniel 7:17
These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.Q10
Doesn't that mean that men can be called beasts too?I'll leave that with you for a little bit…
God bless.
devo
i have read this ,those are very good questions ,and some are easy to answer but some have great implication ,
so number 10 answer is NO they only act like beast , big difference
Quote Q1
Do you agree that the 2nd beast (rev13) does:
#1 – miracles
#2 – Image
#3 – Mark of the beast?this is also yes for an answer ;
devo
Nu 11:29 But Moses replied, “Are you jealous for my sake? I wish that all the LORD'S people were prophets and that the LORD would put his Spirit on them!”
Answer me quickly, O LORD, my spirit fails;
Do not hide Your face from me,
Or I will become like those who go down to the pit.
PS 143:10
Teach me to do Your will,
For You are my God;
Let Your good Spirit lead me on level ground.Da 3:16 Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego replied to the king, “O Nebuchadnezzar, we do not need to defend ourselves before you in this matter.
Da 3:17 If we are thrown into the blazing furnace, the God we serve is able to save us from it, and he will rescue us from your hand, O king.
Da 3:18 But even if he does not, we want you to know, O king, that we will not serve your gods or worship the image of gold you have set up.”HI Terra,
Quote i have read this ,those are very good questions Thank you.
Quote and some are easy to answer but some have great implication Implications are good
Quote so number 10 answer is NO they only act like beast , big difference Good answer, they do act like beasts!
Doesn't that then mean that each of the 4 kings individual personalities or traits, share similarities with certain animals/beasts?
Just like when people say:
'He is a snake', 'that old fox', 'such a gentle dove' etc.It doesn't mean that these people are those animals themselves, but share traits commonly attributed to those animals right?
Other words, they're being compared to certain animals?
And like Daniel ch7 explains…
v17 These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.
The four:
v4 – Like a Lion….proud, courageous, noble
v5 – Like a Bear….protective, strong
v6 – Like a Leopard….stealthy, fast,
And didn't God use those above animals to reflect the nature/traits of these kings?
And animals are beasts…agree?
4 beast images representing 4 men!
Doesn't that then mean that God does use animals/beasts to also represent relevant men in prophetic imagery?
That He calls them beasts too?
And since God is only concentrating on these that play a role in prophetic revelations, and these happen to be kings, which He is likening to particular animals, then couldn't a future powerful leader who plays a huge role in prophetic revelations, like the previous ones, couldn't God call him a beast too?
Would that be contradictory considering He has already done exactly that same thing in scripture like we see in Daniel?
Since he called those other kings beasts?
So if we came across scripture where the one being described sounded like an individual man/king…should we discard that interpretation just because God called him a beast considering the above examples?
This is what I see the 2nd beast in rev ch13 Terra…a man likened to a beast…which would mean that his kingdom would likewise reflect his traits too simply because he leads them according to his traits which can be likened to any particular animal.
Quote Q1
Do you agree that the 2nd beast (rev13) does:
#1 – miracles
#2 – Image
#3 – Mark of the beast?Quote this is also yes for an answer ; Thank you, agreed.
Take as long as you like Terra, my questions were really meant for you alone to consider, not necessarily to have to answer because i'm not challenging you to answer me, but asking you to ask yourself…for yourself.
God bless.
devo
Quote Since he called those other kings beasts? So if we came across scripture where the one being described sounded like an individual man/king…should we discard that interpretation just because God called him a beast considering the above examples?
This is what I see the 2nd beast in rev ch13 Terra…a man likened to a beast…which would mean that his kingdom would likewise reflect his traits too simply because he leads them according to his traits which can be likened to any particular animal.
I have to agree with you ,but i have also a reserve to make in this ; when a man is or act as a beast means one thing ,when a nation (king) act like beasts ,is means different thing ;one person being animal ,means usually he lost his mind and act as a single idea,so that he lost his perspective of his human life,
on the other hand ;being describe as a king to be like an beast or even multi beast aspect ,would create a total non existent beast ,and so become a composite beast mix, in this fashion it would more mean that those nations (kings) are coming out of different beast like cultures ,would we not say ?? i think so ,
also kings are men ,but their people have culture and that is what makes the kingdom animal like or not ,beasts are by nature aggressive ,territorial,
possessive ,(well like Satan disregarding the life of other for serving his own purpose )so this is were we should be careful ,not to come to a to quick conclusion,prior to really investigate those roads ,and not mix them up.
Quote Take as long as you like Terra, my questions were really meant for you alone to consider, not necessarily to have to answer because i'm not challenging you to answer me, but asking you to ask yourself…for yourself. its quite alright ,we will answer them all as the conversation moves on ,but it is good that you have kind of number them as an guide line ,show some type of direction,so very good ,like it
May God bless you all ,
terraricca,Sep. wrote:[/quote]
This is what I see the 2nd beast in rev ch13 Terra…a man likened to a beast…which would mean that his kingdom would likewise reflect his traits too simply because he leads them according to his traits which can be likened to any particular animal.Quote I have to agree with you ,but i have also a reserve to make in this ; when a man is or act as a beast means one thing ,when a nation (king) act like beasts ,is means different thing ;one person being animal ,means usually he lost his mind and act as a single idea,so that he lost his perspective of his human life, on the other hand ;being describe as a king to be like an beast or even multi beast aspect ,would create a total non existent beast ,and so become a composite beast mix, in this fashion it would more mean that those nations (kings) are coming out of different beast like cultures ,would we not say ?? i think so , also kings are men ,but their people have culture and that is what makes the kingdom animal like or not ,beasts are by nature aggressive ,territorial,
possessive ,(well like Satan disregarding the life of other for serving his own purpose )so this is were we should be careful ,not to come to a to quick conclusion,prior to really investigate those roads ,and not mix them up.
Yes I agree….but I should have been clearer…good observation though!!…which I agree, very good!!
Here's what I mean: Kings used to lead their armies on the battlefield, if not in the lead, then definitely tactically wise…
So the armies of those empires would have reflected their kings battle tactics & style….his traits…Like Alexander the Great was known for…a brilliant tactician, a fearless fighter, surprising his enemies with a fast and usually brief but victorious attack….(blitzreig)…just like a Leopard….
And that's how his army fought…they fought with Alexander's traits as it were.So I should have been clearer…these empires kings were given predatory animal likenesses in the vision because they were being described as they were warring, and the armies were reflections of those beast kings tactics & 'traits' on the battlefield.
So when I said the empire also reflecting those traits, I meant the empire when at war…her armies with their traits.
And when the false prophet comes, he will be one nasty beast, and his armies no doubt high tech, a reflection of his miracles that he does, and organized like their leaders wonderful words, and understanding dark schemes, not only politically, but also in their military tactics, and strong, and proud, and fast and terrible….almost invincible like a Dragon.
All the traits of their leader…a particular beast that God appoints an image to when explaining.
And an empire at war usually reflects its leader.Like the two beasts in rev ch13…
Notice that one beast promotes the other beast, speaks for it, acts in it's interests, tells the people to obey it, make an image to it, worship it etc….and doing so with the same authority…WITH all the authority….of….the….first beast!!
Hmmm!!Sounds awfully like it's leader does it not?
Q
Don't they do exactly the same?…LEADERS…speak on their nations/empires behalf? …*before the nation/beast* (in it's presence) whilst the empire/nation watches on?Isn't that exactly what appears to be going on in rev ch13?
One speaking on the others behalf?Hope that cleared up my meaning Terra?
God bless.
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