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Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 26 2013,03:18) Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 25 2013,13:50) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 25 2013,16:55) wakeup Quote 3. He did not force the population of the world
to receive a mark in the right hand, or in the forehead.no ,only in his empire ,
Terra.The false prophet when he comes,will force the *world*
that all must have *his mark*,or can not buy or sell,or do any business. No bank account,no job,no food.
No trade,no import or export.All must worship *HIM*by receiving the mark.
But the true believers will not take his mark,and therefore not worship him. They rather be killed than receive the mark. This is the great test for all the lip worshippers.wakeup.
wakeupis the beast now the false prophet
Terra.1.The beast today is the 7th beast.(the 7th head).
2.The beast with the 10 kings is coming: the 8thbeast *will* come *out* of *this* 7th.
THESE BEASTS ARE KINGDOMS(EMPIRES).3.The beast that comes out of the *EARTH*(he is born).
is a man(the son of perdition).BEASTS ALWAYS COME OUT OF THE SEA;
BUT THIS BEAST WILL COME OUT OF THE EARTH(HE IS BORN).(ALREADY BORN,BUT NOT YET REAVELED).THIS MAN WILL INTRODUCE HIS MARK TO ALL;
SMALL AND GREAT;RICH AND POOR; FREE AND BOND.
THE MARK IS THE NUMBER OF HIS NAME.(666).wakeup.
Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 26 2013,03:23) Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 25 2013,13:17) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 25 2013,16:38) wakeup Quote 9.The falling away is in the last days. how can a fall away person ,still fall away
we now live to go to God because of the fall away sins Constantine , sins the apostles dead we believers struggle to become righteous in the eyes of God ,this was taken away wen Constantin came ,because of the fall away of the many
Terra.The falling away is not of one person,
but of the teachings.
The teachings has gone out of the way in these last days.wakeup.
wakeupi do not say that it is one person,but today there's more truth than there was after Constantin set in , in 325 the Nicene creed ,
Terra.You should forget constantine;he is dead 1700years ago.
He will not be here at the second coming.
He will not be the one cast in the fire.
But the 8th;10horned beast, and the false prophet will be
cast in the fire.(rev19:20).wakeup.
Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 26 2013,03:35) Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 25 2013,13:26) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 25 2013,16:44) wakeup Quote 4. He never call himself God,he preached the trinity. what was he
he made himself the master of the church and dictated what was good to teach or not ,is this not taken the place of God or a god
Terra.He never consider himself to be worshipped as God.
He teaches the trinity;trying to explain the God
he is teaching.
He never teach his church to worship him.
The false prophet will tell the world to *WORSHIP HIM*
ALONE AND NO OTHER GOD.wakeup.
wakeupdoes any one today that is regarded as an idol thinks he is God or a god
no ,just some people treat them as such ,Constantine on Heresy:
Constantine was not yet a baptized Christian (although T.G. Elliot argues that he didn't need to convert to become a Christian since he already may have been one) when he settled matters of Christian dogma and the Arian Controversy at the First Nicene Council (First Council of Nicaea), which ended on August (or July) 25, 325. As a result of his initial decision against the Arians, Constantine exiled his friend Eusebius for holding an heretical position. Constantine later revised his opinion and recalled Eusebius.
It was from 325 that Constantine enjoyed sole reign in the Roman empire, having defeated and executed his co-emperor Licinius, who had reneged on the Edict of Milan.wen you are the master and MAXIMUS ,how do you think your own people trait you or see you
Terra.Any man that is worshipped is a god(false god).
A cow that is worsipped is a god(a false god).
Money that is worshipped is a god(false god).
************
Constatine was in charge of the church,he had power.
But he never consider himself to be worshipped above *all* that is called god, he prays to God.The pope is in charge of the church today;but he never consider himself to be worshipped above **all that is called god**. They pray to,the father, the son, and the holy spirit, and Mary, and saints, and angels.
They dont pray *to the pope*;but they have to pray *FOR*the pope when he is sick.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 26 2013,02:55) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 26 2013,03:18) Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 25 2013,13:50) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 25 2013,16:55) wakeup Quote 3. He did not force the population of the world
to receive a mark in the right hand, or in the forehead.no ,only in his empire ,
Terra.The false prophet when he comes,will force the *world*
that all must have *his mark*,or can not buy or sell,or do any business. No bank account,no job,no food.
No trade,no import or export.All must worship *HIM*by receiving the mark.
But the true believers will not take his mark,and therefore not worship him. They rather be killed than receive the mark. This is the great test for all the lip worshippers.wakeup.
wakeupis the beast now the false prophet
Terra.1.The beast today is the 7th beast.(the 7th head).
2.The beast with the 10 kings is coming: the 8thbeast *will* come *out* of *this* 7th.
THESE BEASTS ARE KINGDOMS(EMPIRES).3.The beast that comes out of the *EARTH*(he is born).
is a man(the son of perdition).BEASTS ALWAYS COME OUT OF THE SEA;
BUT THIS BEAST WILL COME OUT OF THE EARTH(HE IS BORN).(ALREADY BORN,BUT NOT YET REAVELED).THIS MAN WILL INTRODUCE HIS MARK TO ALL;
SMALL AND GREAT;RICH AND POOR; FREE AND BOND.
THE MARK IS THE NUMBER OF HIS NAME.(666).wakeup.
wakeupfor what is said in this scriptures i can not believe what you are saying ;
When I saw her, I was greatly astonished.
Rev 17:7 Then the angel said to me: “Why are you astonished? I will explain to you the mystery of the woman and of the beast she rides, which has the seven heads and ten horns.
Rev 17:8 The beast, which you saw, once was, now is not, and will come up out of the Abyss and go to his destruction.The inhabitants of the earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the creation of the world will be astonished when they see the beast, because he once was, now is not, and yet will come.
Rev 17:9 “This calls for a mind with wisdomhow is it that verse 8 can be true in your view
Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 26 2013,03:01) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 26 2013,03:23) Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 25 2013,13:17) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 25 2013,16:38) wakeup Quote 9.The falling away is in the last days. how can a fall away person ,still fall away
we now live to go to God because of the fall away sins Constantine , sins the apostles dead we believers struggle to become righteous in the eyes of God ,this was taken away wen Constantin came ,because of the fall away of the many
Terra.The falling away is not of one person,
but of the teachings.
The teachings has gone out of the way in these last days.wakeup.
wakeupi do not say that it is one person,but today there's more truth than there was after Constantin set in , in 325 the Nicene creed ,
Terra.You should forget constantine;he is dead 1700years ago.
He will not be here at the second coming.
He will not be the one cast in the fire.
But the 8th;10horned beast, and the false prophet will be
cast in the fire.(rev19:20).wakeup.
wakeupmay be ??
Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 26 2013,03:16) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 26 2013,03:35) Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 25 2013,13:26) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 25 2013,16:44) wakeup Quote 4. He never call himself God,he preached the trinity. what was he
he made himself the master of the church and dictated what was good to teach or not ,is this not taken the place of God or a god
Terra.He never consider himself to be worshipped as God.
He teaches the trinity;trying to explain the God
he is teaching.
He never teach his church to worship him.
The false prophet will tell the world to *WORSHIP HIM*
ALONE AND NO OTHER GOD.wakeup.
wakeupdoes any one today that is regarded as an idol thinks he is God or a god
no ,just some people treat them as such ,Constantine on Heresy:
Constantine was not yet a baptized Christian (although T.G. Elliot argues that he didn't need to convert to become a Christian since he already may have been one) when he settled matters of Christian dogma and the Arian Controversy at the First Nicene Council (First Council of Nicaea), which ended on August (or July) 25, 325. As a result of his initial decision against the Arians, Constantine exiled his friend Eusebius for holding an heretical position. Constantine later revised his opinion and recalled Eusebius.
It was from 325 that Constantine enjoyed sole reign in the Roman empire, having defeated and executed his co-emperor Licinius, who had reneged on the Edict of Milan.wen you are the master and MAXIMUS ,how do you think your own people trait you or see you
Terra.Any man that is worshipped is a god(false god).
A cow that is worsipped is a god(a false god).
Money that is worshipped is a god(false god).
************
Constatine was in charge of the church,he had power.
But he never consider himself to be worshipped above *all* that is called god, he prays to God.The pope is in charge of the church today;but he never consider himself to be worshipped above **all that is called god**. They pray to,the father, the son, and the holy spirit, and Mary, and saints, and angels.
They dont pray *to the pope*;but they have to pray *FOR*the pope when he is sick.
wakeup.
wakeupdo you think that the false prophet is a true god
terraricca,Aug. wrote:[/quote]
Quote do you think that the false prophet is a true god
Hi Pierre,I hope you not in too much pain. I have remembered you daily in my prayers.
I know you asked Wakeup but I would like to join in.
The false prophet has been given all his powers from the dragon.
Whether he will talk directly to Satan or not I do not know, but I do know that Satan is there with him, and in him.2 Thess:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders
Rev 13:13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men.
This man is only posing as God, because of his powers, but God calls them “lying wonders” so obviously, some deceit is used, just like a magician performing his tricks.
2 Thess 1:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition.
2 Thess 1:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or worshiped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself to be God.He's only posing as God, but Satan is in him, so Satan is really the one receiving all the worship, because this is his own plan to turn men away from the true God. This man is puffed up because the world will obey his every command, and he is given the highest position and authority over any man that has ever lived on the face of the earth, and he has his miracles to back him up, but the saints will not be fooled by him.
How can this man be the true God? For he goes against the holy, wars with Christ and will be thrown into the lake of fire.
He is not even a so called god but tries to make himself one. and the world believing in him will make him a god to them because he has deceived them.God bless
love Journey.Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 26 2013,10:27) Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 26 2013,02:55) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 26 2013,03:18) Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 25 2013,13:50) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 25 2013,16:55) wakeup Quote 3. He did not force the population of the world
to receive a mark in the right hand, or in the forehead.no ,only in his empire ,
Terra.The false prophet when he comes,will force the *world*
that all must have *his mark*,or can not buy or sell,or do any business. No bank account,no job,no food.
No trade,no import or export.All must worship *HIM*by receiving the mark.
But the true believers will not take his mark,and therefore not worship him. They rather be killed than receive the mark. This is the great test for all the lip worshippers.wakeup.
wakeupis the beast now the false prophet
Terra.1.The beast today is the 7th beast.(the 7th head).
2.The beast with the 10 kings is coming: the 8thbeast *will* come *out* of *this* 7th.
THESE BEASTS ARE KINGDOMS(EMPIRES).3.The beast that comes out of the *EARTH*(he is born).
is a man(the son of perdition).BEASTS ALWAYS COME OUT OF THE SEA;
BUT THIS BEAST WILL COME OUT OF THE EARTH(HE IS BORN).(ALREADY BORN,BUT NOT YET REAVELED).THIS MAN WILL INTRODUCE HIS MARK TO ALL;
SMALL AND GREAT;RICH AND POOR; FREE AND BOND.
THE MARK IS THE NUMBER OF HIS NAME.(666).wakeup.
wakeupfor what is said in this scriptures i can not believe what you are saying ;
When I saw her, I was greatly astonished.
Rev 17:7 Then the angel said to me: “Why are you astonished? I will explain to you the mystery of the woman and of the beast she rides, which has the seven heads and ten horns.
Rev 17:8 The beast, which you saw, once was, now is not, and will come up out of the Abyss and go to his destruction.The inhabitants of the earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the creation of the world will be astonished when they see the beast, because he once was, now is not, and yet will come.
Rev 17:9 “This calls for a mind with wisdomhow is it that verse 8 can be true in your view
Terra.Let me explain once again; not just for you but also anyone interested.
Revelation 17:7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the *mystery* of the **woman**, and of the **beast** that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.
THE ANGELS IS GOING TO EXPLAIN THE WOMAN;AND THE BEAST.THE BEAST THAT IS *CARRYING* HER.
Revelation 17:8 *The beast* that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
MY EXPLANANTION: THE BEAST THAT YOU SAW, WAS BABEL; BABEL IS NOT NOW; AND BABEL SHALL ASCEND
OUT OF THE BOTTOMLESS PIT,AND GO INTO DESTRUCTION. ( BABEL WILL BE THE 8TH).Revelation 17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
THE *WOMAN* IS *SITTING ON* 7MOUNTAINS/
KINGDOMS.Revelation 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
7 KINGS: 5ARE NO MORE;ONE IS ROME;
THE 7TH IS NOT YET COME IN JOHNS DAY.
BUT IS HERE NOW.Revelation 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
BABEL IS THE 8TH.COMING OUT OF THE 7TH. AND GOETH INTO PERDITION. THIS LAST BEAST WILL BE DESTROYED AT THE COMING.(REV19:20).Revelation 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
THE 10 KINGS WILL ONLY RECEIVE POWER ONE HOUR
**WITH** THE BEAST. NOT 1000YRS NOR A 100YRS.Revelation 17:13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.
THE 10 KINGS WILL WORK IN AGREEMENT TOGETHERRevelation 17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.
THESE 10 KINGS WILL MAKE WAR WITH THE LAMB.
(ARMAGEDDON). AT THE COMING.Revelation 17:15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the *whore sitteth*, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.
THE WHORE IS SITING ON MULTITUDES OF PEOPLE AND *NATIONS*. 7KINGDOMS.Revelation 17:16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.
THE WHORE IS THE WOMAN THAT COMITTED FORNICATIONS,WITH ALL HER RICHES, AND GOLD, AND PEARLS. SHE IS SATANS WOMAN; BABYLON THE GREAT.
SHE GIVES ANYONE THAT FOLLOWS HER WAYS; ALL THE DESIRES OF THE HEART. SHE IS THE WORLD OF TRADE
AND OF GOODS,AND POWER,AND LUSTS. THE WORLD
WORSHIP HER; ALL WISHING FOR ALL THE GOOD THINGS SHE CAN PROVIDE;ALSO WILLING TO BECOME HER SLAVES TO GET WHAT THEY WANT.Revelation 17:17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.
THE 10 KINGS ARE BANKRUPTING HER TODAY;AND WILL BURN HER WITH FIRE.Revelation 17:18 And the *woman* which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.
THIS WOMAN IS A GREAT SPIRITUAL CITY.
ALL THE POPULATION LIVE IN THIS SPIRITUAL CITY AND THEY ARE FEELLING GOOD AND RICH AND HAVING PLENTY OF GOODS, AND OF GOLD, AND PLEASANT THINGS.CHRISTIANS NEED TO COME OUT OF THIS CITY,AND ACCEPT GODS CITY HOLY ZION. FOR WE DONT HUNGER FOR HER PLEASANT GOODS;AND LEISURE.WE WILL NOT PARTAKE OF HER ABOMINATIONS.
wakeup.
Hi Terra,
You're in my prayers brother.
Hope you don't mind if I join in just a little
I just want to back up Wakeup by making some brief comments on just a couple of the first 6 verses of rev ch17 Wakeup didn't need to use but which i'd like to…because I believe they confirm what Wakeup just explained…
1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:
This whore sits on waters,
What one sits on…
carries them…the bench seat *carried* the weight of 4 fat men…
The horse *carried* her rider…
And…
…the waters *carried* her….the whore…Remember we know this but John doesn't know just yet …that : *Waters* are….Multitudes…Nations…Peoples…Tongues…
That's physical…earthly…So her *bench seat* is the nations…
Her *horse* is the nations
This is what she is *SITTING* on, *they*… *carry*… *her*.2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.
These are the waters she is sitting on…*people*
She is within everybody's reach because they are carrying her…she is sitting on them3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
The angel said he was going to *explain* the woman sitting upon the many….*WATERS* correct?
Now that John is in the spirit, now he can see her clearly and not only her….but what she is really *SITTING* on!! because the angel is now*explaining* what John is NOW SEEING *IN THE SPIRIT*
So again: instead of *waters*, his *spiritual* eyes are now seeing a *beast*
AGAIN:3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns
The angel said he was going to *explain* what the *WHORE*… *SITTING*… on many… *WATERS* means, and all of a sudden the *WATERS* are now a *BEAST*
And John can see this richly dressed woman *SITTING* on a *BEAST**WATERS* = *NATIONS* = *BEAST*
And the beast has 7 *HEADS* = *EMPIRES*
See the theme?
The *BEAST* is made up of *PEOPLE*Also, the woman *sits on* this *beast* = *waters*
IF the scarlet coloured beast were Satan, then Satan is just a *bench seat* and a *horse* to her!!
Meaning, *she* is the boss…
But Satan is the boss, so it can't mean Satan.It can only mean she is sitting on what the *angel* said *she* was *SITTING ON* before he *EXPLAINED* to John…*WATERS* = *PEOPLES etc*
Which is exactly what Wakeup explained.
Just my little bit…
May God keep you strong!Devo
One question ,the whore on the scarlet beast and the the one sitting on many waters is it the same
Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 27 2013,11:20) Devo One question ,the whore on the scarlet beast and the the one sitting on many waters is it the same
Hi Terra,I know you're gonna disagree, but yes, the same.
Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 27 2013,11:20) Devo One question ,the whore on the scarlet beast and the the one sitting on many waters is it the same
Hi Terra.
Devo is at work.The woman;she is *not physical*,just as Gods woman is *not physical*.
Gods woman *ZION* is also sitting on his children.
True believers are under submision to Gods woman.The world(babylon) is under submissinon to the whore.
They do what the whore wants them to do;and that is; all
the greed,and lusts of the flesh they follow.We are not following the whore's way of living;but the zions way of living;we dont do what they do,we are seperate from the world;we are not of the world.
The SCARLET BEAST is satan and his *7Empires* and *HIS* woman is riding on his back.He is carrying her around his 7 empires; (and his coming empire).
The great city is the *WHORE* where all people of the world dwell in *SPIRITUALLY*; BABYLON THE GREAT.
They do abominable things.We dwell in Gods city;*HOLY JERUSALEM*.
we dont do abominable things. we are holy.
We are a seperate people. We are no citizen of of babylon the great; but citizens of holy jerusalem.
*****The beasts are kingdoms(empires) and kingdoms consists
of people; populations;(waters=people).The whore belongs to the scarlet dragon,and he is carrying her in every kingdom of his.
*She is *his* system* of living.one must be greedy and full of lust of the flesh. BE POSITIVE;AND GO FOR IT;DONT LOOK RIGHT OR LEFT, DONT GET DISTRACTED
YOU FIRST,AND THE REST MUST TAKE CARE OF THEMSELVES. GREED IS GOOD. This is the worlds attitude.The wilderness is the *world*,of the big, eat the small.
You take care.
wakeup.Quote (Devolution @ Aug. 27 2013,13:33) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 27 2013,11:20) Devo One question ,the whore on the scarlet beast and the the one sitting on many waters is it the same
Hi Terra,I know you're gonna disagree, but yes, the same.
DevoNo I do agree with you, but I get back to you now on this,
Later ,devo
the two prostitutes both sitting on beast and latter on water his Satan ,
before the return of Christ she sits on the beast that represent the world powers that Satan as used through his black magic and secret ways, and so rules the waters (peoples)
after the millennium the beast will not be there ,because they would have been destroyed by Christ ,
but when the second resurrection will come for the final judgment of all men sins Adam to the time before the millennium ,only the PEOPLE ,OF THE NOW DEAD BEAST WILL BE ALIVE WITH THEIR SAME INTENTIONS ,SO AS SCRIPTURES SAYS SATAN WILL BE RELEAST TO TEST THEM ALL AND AT THE SAME TIME TRY ONECE MORE TO WIN AGAINST GOD AND HIS KING,
SEE THIS TIME THE THINGS HAVE CHANGED ON EARTH ,FOR SO LONG IT IS THE RIGHTEOUS THAT CAME INTO LIVE A LIVE OF MISERY IN A WORLD RUN AND RULED BY SINFULL MEN ,BUT NOW AFTER THE MILLENNIUM IT WILL BE A WORLD OF RIGHTEOUS MEN LIVING ON EARTH ,AND THE RULES WOULD BE GOD'S RULES ,SO THAT ANY REBELLION IS A REBELLION DIRECTLY TO GOD HIMSELF AND HIS KING ,AND FOR THIS AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME GOD WILL KILL THEM ALL WHIT FIRE THAT COMES DOWN FROM HEAVEN
THIS IS ALSO THE REASON WHY THE PROSTITUTE(SATAN) will be during that time be made naked ;meaning the full truth of God's design and purpose will be reveal to all his resurrected people ,and so those who join him still are the once that will be destroyed with him at the final battle
this is my understanding
Isa 47:4 Our Redeemer—the LORD Almighty is his name—
is the Holy One of Israel.Isa 47:5 “Sit in silence, go into darkness,
Daughter of the Babylonians;
no more will you be called
queen of kingdoms.
Isa 47:6 I was angry with my people
and desecrated my inheritance;
I gave them into your hand,
and you showed them no mercy.
Even on the aged
you laid a very heavy yoke.
Isa 47:7 You said, ‘I will continue forever—
the eternal queen!’
But you did not consider these things
or reflect on what might happen.Isa 47:8 “Now then, listen, you wanton creature,
lounging in your security
and saying to yourself,
‘I am, and there is none besides me.
I will never be a widow
or suffer the loss of children.’
Isa 47:9 Both of these will overtake you
in a moment, on a single day:
loss of children and widowhood.
They will come upon you in full measure,
in spite of your many sorceries
and all your potent spells.
Isa 47:10 You have trusted in your wickedness
and have said, ‘No one sees me.’
Your wisdom and knowledge mislead you
when you say to yourself,
‘I am, and there is none besides me.’
Isa 47:11 Disaster will come upon you,
and you will not know how to conjure it away.
A calamity will fall upon you
that you cannot ward off with a ransom;
a catastrophe you cannot foresee
will suddenly come upon you.Isa 47:12 “Keep on, then, with your magic spells
and with your many sorceries,
which you have labored at since childhood.
Perhaps you will succeed,
perhaps you will cause terror.
Isa 47:13 All the counsel you have received has only worn you out!
Let your astrologers come forward,
those stargazers who make predictions month by month,
let them save you from what is coming upon you.
Isa 47:14 Surely they are like stubble;
the fire will burn them up.
They cannot even save themselves
from the power of the flame.
Here are no coals to warm anyone;
here is no fire to sit by.
Isa 47:15 That is all they can do for you—
these you have labored with
and trafficked with since childhood.
Each of them goes on in his error;
there is not one that can save you.terraricca,Aug. wrote:[/quote]
Hi Terra,We have some differences but we do have the same end result, Satan etc finally destroyed after the millennium.
This is good, some common ground on this subject.Quote the two prostitutes both sitting on beast and latter on water his Satan I don't see her as Satan.
I see the prostitute same as Wakeup does.Consider, the 10 kings from Satan's empire burn her with fire etc, (can non-believing men hurt Satan?)
These 10 kings are doing Satans will, will Satan burn Satan?
So to my discernment, it can't be Satan being burned, especially by his own people, which means to me, that Satan can't be the woman,
But that the woman is something Satan has been using.Quote before the return of Christ she sits on the beast that represent the world powers that Satan has used I don't look at it as before and after, the two visions, but I see the same woman shown from two perspectives.
Johns vision is one perspective, he would have seen it and wondered, 'what could this mean', for it was her resemblance in the world that he saw, but still just a metaphor, that vision, that imagery, concerning a woman and waters.
So the angel reveals that woman that John saw,
But he has to take John in the spirit for John to see her true resemblance in her 'natural' state, her origin…*SPIRITUAL*…but even there, she is still just a resemblance because she is just a metaphor for self indulgence and harlotry against God, representing all things that Satan promotes, practises, and offers.Satan doesn't offer himself, but he offers his bribes, and all of his bribes are found in that woman and offered to men *through* her.
One woman, two perspectives…
*SPIRITUAL* source using *PHYSICAL* manifestations.Quote through his black magic and secret ways, and so rules the waters (peoples) I know what you are getting across here, I don't fully agree with the magic reference in regards to what it implies, but yes, he rules the waters, on that we do agree.
And how does he rule them?
He rules them by tempting them (thou shalt not surely die)
*False teachings* are born….*SPIRITUAL*
And…
Rewarding them with the *fruit* from 'his' tree (riches, luxuries etc) ….*PHYSICAL*She is like a *brand* that Satan uses to sell his products (temptations)
And the brands *icon* is a rich luxurious woman, like Nike has a tick, Mc Donalds the golden gates etcSatan's is a woman because women multiply.
They produce children…
And Satan's brand is selling hot, his customer base is growing, and giving birth to new customers every day.Quote after the millennium the beast will not be there ,because they would have been destroyed by Christ
The beast is no more, I agree.Quote but when the second resurrection will come for the final judgment of all men sins Adam to the time before the millennium ,only the PEOPLE ,OF THE NOW DEAD BEAST WILL BE ALIVE WITH THEIR SAME INTENTIONS, **YES**
Because the beast was *DESTROYED* at the coming, gone, no more, never to return., but a percentage of people (offspring of the initial survivors) will have those same old intentions, yes I agree.Quote SO AS SCRIPTURES SAYS SATAN WILL BE RELEAST TO TEST THEM ALL **YES**
And to gather them all.Quote AND AT THE SAME TIME TRY ONECE MORE TO WIN AGAINST GOD AND HIS KING, **YES**
But this time is not like before, Satan only makes a marauding ARMY, he can't draw upon the beast (empires) anymore, just the rebels, because Christ rules the world now, the beast is no more.So this is why I believe the woman can't be representing “two events” (pre-millennium & post-millennium, because the second time around (Gog & Magog), there is no beast[/b] (world empire of Satan) for her to sit on.
Quote SEE THIS TIME THE THINGS HAVE CHANGED ON EARTH ,FOR SO LONG IT IS THE RIGHTEOUS THAT CAME INTO LIVE A LIVE OF MISERY IN A WORLD RUN AND RULED BY SINFULL MEN ,BUT NOW AFTER THE MILLENNIUM IT WILL BE A WORLD OF RIGHTEOUS MEN LIVING ON EARTH ,AND THE RULES WOULD BE GOD'S RULES ,SO THAT ANY REBELLION IS A REBELLION DIRECTLY TO GOD HIMSELF AND HIS KING ,AND FOR THIS AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME GOD WILL KILL THEM ALL WHIT FIRE THAT COMES DOWN FROM HEAVEN **YES**
Quote THIS IS ALSO THE REASON WHY THE PROSTITUTE(SATAN) will be during that time be made naked ;meaning the full truth of God's design and purpose will be reveal to all his resurrected people ,and so those who join him still are the once that will be destroyed with him at the final battle I'm not sure what you meant Terra?
When do you think she will be made naked?
Before or after the millennium?And again, I don't believe that she is Satan, but a metaphor representing Satan's promoted harlotries against God manifested in the world and dominating the world, being the worlds #1 focus….riches, luxuries, self indulgences and self deluded beliefs which makes it possible for them to indulge without guilt or fear of God (do as thou wilt)
Lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God.
And that is what she stands for…Satan's rebellious religion (woman) against God used to bribe the people with her gifts, material (riches) and spiritual (thou shalt not surely die)…where false teachings/religions come from.
From the father of lies.We're getting closer to agreeing than we were before on this brother.
And I will give my opinion on those scriptures you gave soon Pierre,
God bless you Terra.
devo
Quote I'm not sure what you meant Terra?
When do you think she will be made naked?
Before or after the millennium?after the millennium ,because at that time the earth only will hold righteous people ,and the second resurrection will be starting then, and Satan will be released and so the only power he would have is his old friends ,but that is made to test all others (this is an resurrection of judgment for both good and bad people,that were not part of the first resurrection )
this is the final works of Satan because at the end he will be destroyed with all those who would have refused the preaching of the gospel of Christ through the righteous ones ,
this time will not be over one generation (40 years) not quite one hour in God day time 1000 :24 =
Satan his the greatest harlot known to humankind he betrayed God his creator ,he betrayed all those he turned away from God ,by prostituted them with the human race ,not enough he made war to anyone that would show trust and faith in the true God his own creator ,he sits on all the beast and the people for the soul purpose to destroy the righteous ones,
and his time (Satan) will be up after the millennium ,
I understand that religion is only one of his tools just like any thing that is wicked
Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 29 2013,08:25) devo Quote I'm not sure what you meant Terra?
When do you think she will be made naked?
Before or after the millennium?after the millennium ,because at that time the earth only will hold righteous people ,and the second resurrection will be starting then, and Satan will be released and so the only power he would have is his old friends ,but that is made to test all others (this is an resurrection of judgment for both good and bad people,that were not part of the first resurrection )
this is the final works of Satan because at the end he will be destroyed with all those who would have refused the preaching of the gospel of Christ through the righteous ones ,
this time will not be over one generation (40 years) not quite one hour in God day time 1000 :24 =
Satan his the greatest harlot known to humankind he betrayed God his creator ,he betrayed all those he turned away from God ,by prostituted them with the human race ,not enough he made war to anyone that would show trust and faith in the true God his own creator ,he sits on all the beast and the people for the soul purpose to destroy the righteous ones,
and his time (Satan) will be up after the millennium ,
I understand that religion is only one of his tools just like any thing that is wicked
Hi Terra,Revelation 17:16 has the whore made naked before the millennium
16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.
God bless.
Quote (Devolution @ Aug. 29 2013,12:55) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 29 2013,08:25) devo Quote I'm not sure what you meant Terra?
When do you think she will be made naked?
Before or after the millennium?after the millennium ,because at that time the earth only will hold righteous people ,and the second resurrection will be starting then, and Satan will be released and so the only power he would have is his old friends ,but that is made to test all others (this is an resurrection of judgment for both good and bad people,that were not part of the first resurrection )
this is the final works of Satan because at the end he will be destroyed with all those who would have refused the preaching of the gospel of Christ through the righteous ones ,
this time will not be over one generation (40 years) not quite one hour in God day time 1000 :24 =
Satan his the greatest harlot known to humankind he betrayed God his creator ,he betrayed all those he turned away from God ,by prostituted them with the human race ,not enough he made war to anyone that would show trust and faith in the true God his own creator ,he sits on all the beast and the people for the soul purpose to destroy the righteous ones,
and his time (Satan) will be up after the millennium ,
I understand that religion is only one of his tools just like any thing that is wicked
Hi Terra,Revelation 17:16 has the whore made naked before the millennium
16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.
God bless.
devoRev 18:8 Therefore in one day her plagues will overtake her:
death, mourning and famine.
She will be consumed by fire,
for mighty is the Lord God who judges her.this is the final judgment of the whore ,and this happen after the millennium ,
Rev 18:15 The merchants who sold these things and gained their wealth from her will stand far off, terrified at her torment. They will weep and mourn
all those people are from the second resurrection they all knew her, even those ten kings that only act as leaders at her service ,
Rev 18:14 “They will say, ‘The fruit you longed for is gone from you. All your riches and splendor have vanished, never to be recovered.’
this is gone before the millennium ,after Satan comes out of the abbys he does not have the powers as he had before ,because now things have changed ,only what is in the peoples of the second resurrection have in their own mind and memory ,
Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 29 2013,23:29) Quote (Devolution @ Aug. 29 2013,12:55) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 29 2013,08:25) devo Quote I'm not sure what you meant Terra?
When do you think she will be made naked?
Before or after the millennium?after the millennium ,because at that time the earth only will hold righteous people ,and the second resurrection will be starting then, and Satan will be released and so the only power he would have is his old friends ,but that is made to test all others (this is an resurrection of judgment for both good and bad people,that were not part of the first resurrection )
this is the final works of Satan because at the end he will be destroyed with all those who would have refused the preaching of the gospel of Christ through the righteous ones ,
this time will not be over one generation (40 years) not quite one hour in God day time 1000 :24 =
Satan his the greatest harlot known to humankind he betrayed God his creator ,he betrayed all those he turned away from God ,by prostituted them with the human race ,not enough he made war to anyone that would show trust and faith in the true God his own creator ,he sits on all the beast and the people for the soul purpose to destroy the righteous ones,
and his time (Satan) will be up after the millennium ,
I understand that religion is only one of his tools just like any thing that is wicked
Hi Terra,Revelation 17:16 has the whore made naked before the millennium
16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.
God bless.
devoRev 18:8 Therefore in one day her plagues will overtake her:
death, mourning and famine.
She will be consumed by fire,
for mighty is the Lord God who judges her.this is the final judgment of the whore ,and this happen after the millennium ,
Rev 18:15 The merchants who sold these things and gained their wealth from her will stand far off, terrified at her torment. They will weep and mourn
all those people are from the second resurrection they all knew her, even those ten kings that only act as leaders at her service ,
Rev 18:14 “They will say, ‘The fruit you longed for is gone from you. All your riches and splendor have vanished, never to be recovered.’
this is gone before the millennium ,after Satan comes out of the abbys he does not have the powers as he had before ,because now things have changed ,only what is in the peoples of the second resurrection have in their own mind and memory ,
Hi Terra,The Woman
This is the mystery:Rev 17:5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
Babylon the great is the harlot, the physical side, or better said, the manifestation of Satan's ideals, his kingdom. She belongs to Satan, but she herself is not Satan.
She is spiritual, but her works are manifested in the physical..riches, luxuries, blood of believers, all physical.Here is the confirmation:
18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.
It is 'her' being destroyed at the coming.
What does the world follow after?
Riches
Luxuries
Lusts
PowerSo what rules them all?
Want for pleasures
Lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God.
Satan uses 'her' to give these desires in the physical realm
He is not giving himself, but is giving his bribes.
So you could say she represents Satan's bribes also.And where are Satan's bribes manifested?…in the world of men.
So the bribes themselves are manifested in the physical, to touch, to hold, to possess…
But where does the mouth the bribes originate?…from a spirit creature called Satan…*SPIRITUAL*
Again, where are those bribes manifested?…on earth…*PHYSICAL*So she has two sides, spiritual & physical.
She stands for basically everything ungodly in the world that men strive for.
The world system (without it she could not make her goods for men to want), the merchandise (without a infrastructure (city), factories could not produce her temptations), the rules (without rules, how can a city operate?)…See how 'her' merchandise (bribes) depend on infrastructure to bring those bribes into reality?
Cities can not be functioning cities without infrastructure TO SUPPORT THEM, RULES to guide them, and WARES to sell (bribe) them with who live there and desire such things.It keeps coming back to the *CITY*
And cities can not operate without a *SYSTEM*
And a *SYSTEM* is made up of *RULES* and *LAWS*
And what does every city, system, require to perform in this world we live in?
*MONEY*And what does money provide?
Power to BUY, SELL, MAKE and to BRIBE.
So it always comes back to the *CITY*
And every city needs *RULES* to *CONTROL* it by
And no city in this world survives without *MONEY* to make it all happen in the first place.
And ALL of those above are found in what is called a *SYSTEM*She stands for the *SYSTEM* which runs the world where riches and false religions are found…spiritual & physical…
This is what I see Terra.
God bless.
Quote (Devolution @ Aug. 30 2013,15:28) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 29 2013,23:29) Quote (Devolution @ Aug. 29 2013,12:55) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 29 2013,08:25) devo Quote I'm not sure what you meant Terra?
When do you think she will be made naked?
Before or after the millennium?after the millennium ,because at that time the earth only will hold righteous people ,and the second resurrection will be starting then, and Satan will be released and so the only power he would have is his old friends ,but that is made to test all others (this is an resurrection of judgment for both good and bad people,that were not part of the first resurrection )
this is the final works of Satan because at the end he will be destroyed with all those who would have refused the preaching of the gospel of Christ through the righteous ones ,
this time will not be over one generation (40 years) not quite one hour in God day time 1000 :24 =
Satan his the greatest harlot known to humankind he betrayed God his creator ,he betrayed all those he turned away from God ,by prostituted them with the human race ,not enough he made war to anyone that would show trust and faith in the true God his own creator ,he sits on all the beast and the people for the soul purpose to destroy the righteous ones,
and his time (Satan) will be up after the millennium ,
I understand that religion is only one of his tools just like any thing that is wicked
Hi Terra,Revelation 17:16 has the whore made naked before the millennium
16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.
God bless.
devoRev 18:8 Therefore in one day her plagues will overtake her:
death, mourning and famine.
She will be consumed by fire,
for mighty is the Lord God who judges her.this is the final judgment of the whore ,and this happen after the millennium ,
Rev 18:15 The merchants who sold these things and gained their wealth from her will stand far off, terrified at her torment. They will weep and mourn
all those people are from the second resurrection they all knew her, even those ten kings that only act as leaders at her service ,
Rev 18:14 “They will say, ‘The fruit you longed for is gone from you. All your riches and splendor have vanished, never to be recovered.’
this is gone before the millennium ,after Satan comes out of the abbys he does not have the powers as he had before ,because now things have changed ,only what is in the peoples of the second resurrection have in their own mind and memory ,
Hi Terra,The Woman
This is the mystery:Rev 17:5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
Babylon the great is the harlot, the physical side, or better said, the manifestation of Satan's ideals, his kingdom. She belongs to Satan, but she herself is not Satan.
She is spiritual, but her works are manifested in the physical..riches, luxuries, blood of believers, all physical.Here is the confirmation:
18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.
It is 'her' being destroyed at the coming.
What does the world follow after?
Riches
Luxuries
Lusts
PowerSo what rules them all?
Want for pleasures
Lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God.
Satan uses 'her' to give these desires in the physical realm
He is not giving himself, but is giving his bribes.
So you could say she represents Satan's bribes also.And where are Satan's bribes manifested?…in the world of men.
So the bribes themselves are manifested in the physical, to touch, to hold, to possess…
But where does the mouth the bribes originate?…from a spirit creature called Satan…*SPIRITUAL*
Again, where are those bribes manifested?…on earth…*PHYSICAL*So she has two sides, spiritual & physical.
She stands for basically everything ungodly in the world that men strive for.
The world system (without it she could not make her goods for men to want), the merchandise (without a infrastructure (city), factories could not produce her temptations), the rules (without rules, how can a city operate?)…See how 'her' merchandise (bribes) depend on infrastructure to bring those bribes into reality?
Cities can not be functioning cities without infrastructure TO SUPPORT THEM, RULES to guide them, and WARES to sell (bribe) them with who live there and desire such things.It keeps coming back to the *CITY*
And cities can not operate without a *SYSTEM*
And a *SYSTEM* is made up of *RULES* and *LAWS*
And what does every city, system, require to perform in this world we live in?
*MONEY*And what does money provide?
Power to BUY, SELL, MAKE and to BRIBE.
So it always comes back to the *CITY*
And every city needs *RULES* to *CONTROL* it by
And no city in this world survives without *MONEY* to make it all happen in the first place.
And ALL of those above are found in what is called a *SYSTEM*She stands for the *SYSTEM* which runs the world where riches and false religions are found…spiritual & physical…
This is what I see Terra.
God bless.
CorrectionBabylon the great is the harlot, the physical side, or better said, the manifestation of Satan's ideals, IN his kingdom. She belongs to Satan, but she herself is not Satan.
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