What is the beast

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    Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 25 2013,12:10)

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    Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 24 2013,17:11)
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    The fall away ,means to go away from the truth of God, this was made through Constantin,for his creation of the devil religion,Right ???


    Terra.

    True; he has started his church,and today it has split
    into many;and spreading fast from generation to generation.In the letters to the churches of revelation we can see that the churches are already started to move away from the truth.

    The falling away is when they dont preach the true gospels anymore,but some strange doctrine far from the truth. Children are not allowed to pray at school, or mention the word God anymore.They are being taught from a young age not to depend on God.

    They are preaching that allah is jehovah God.
    Christians go to the mosque to pray.They teach that,
    all religions worship the same god their own way.
    All are the same, all worshipping the same god.
    The *one world religion* is being engineerd;and the catholic church is in charge.Evil has come to the full.

    wakeup.


    wakeup

    so the fall away from the truth came more intensely after the last apostle die this is John,in -+ 96 AD ,now there was no one to hold fast to the truth ,because the true witnesses were all dead, so it was now given to those like Timothy to stand for what was the truth ,but many felled back and as time pasted came Constantin and made sure that the truth of God was not made known to the people ,by supplying a pagan universal religion for his empire ,so if you want to buy ,to eat ,to live to work you better be or become one of them ,this lasted until the protestant revolt,about 1200 years


    Hi Terra.

    This maybe so,but:
    1.Constantine is dead now,he will not be here
    at the coming.
    2.He lasted more than 3/half years.
    3. He did not force the population of the world
    to receive a mark in the right hand, or in the forehead.
    4. He never call himself God,he preached the trinity.
    5.He did not sit in the temple of God in Jerusalem.
    6.He is never incharge of 10kings.
    7. He was never in control of the world.
    8.He is not the last king,and will not be the one cast in
    the fire.
    9.The falling away is in the last days.
    10.He did not come before the falling away,he started
    the falling away.
    11.There was no call for a *one world religion* during hi reign.

    The false prophet will come *after* the falling away.
    he will be here at the coming, and cast in the fire.

    wakeup.

    #356113
    terraricca
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    9.The falling away is in the last days.

    how can a fall away person ,still fall away ???

    we now live to go to God because of the fall away sins Constantine , sins the apostles dead we believers struggle to become righteous in the eyes of God ,this was taken away wen Constantin came ,because of the fall away of the many

    #356114
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    11.There was no call for a *one world religion* during hi reign.

    I think you should read more about what the Catholic church did wen she invade other nations ,and how they mixed the culture of those people with the scriptures

    #356115
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    4. He never call himself God,he preached the trinity.

    what was he ??? he made himself the master of the church and dictated what was good to teach or not ,is this not taken the place of God or a god ???

    #356116
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    5.He did not sit in the temple of God in Jerusalem.

    how could Constantin do that the temple of Jerusalem the only temple that had any meaning in God's eyes ,God let it be destroyed in 70 AD,

    now tell me even if the world build a new temple in Jerusalem WOULD IT BE SANCTIFIED BY GOD ??? WOULD THEIR BE AN NEW LIGHT BURNING TO SHOW THAT GOD HIS THERE ??? OR WOULD IT BE A FAKE TEMPLE WITH ALL FAKE PRIESTS AND CEREMONIES ???

    #356117
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    3. He did not force the population of the world

    did any of the world powers ever govern the entire world of men ??? think before answering

    #356118
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    The false prophet will come *after* the falling away.

    the fall away came in the next 2 centuries following John dead

    #356119
    terraricca
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    3. He did not force the population of the world
    to receive a mark in the right hand, or in the forehead.

    no ,only in his empire ,

    #356129
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    Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 25 2013,16:38)
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    9.The falling away is in the last days.

    how can a fall away person ,still fall away ???

    we now live to go to God because of the fall away sins Constantine , sins the apostles dead we believers struggle to become righteous in the eyes of God ,this was taken away wen Constantin came ,because of the fall away of the many


    Terra.

    The falling away is not of one person,
    but of the teachings.
    The teachings has gone out of the way in these last days.

    wakeup.

    #356130
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    Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 25 2013,16:41)
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    11.There was no call for a *one world religion* during hi reign.

    I think you should read more about what the Catholic church did wen she invade other nations ,and how they mixed the culture of those people with the scriptures


    Terra.

    There was no call for christians and muslems, and the rest
    of the other religions to merge to one religion.
    Constantine never manage to rule the world.

    wakeup.

    #356131
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    Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 25 2013,16:44)
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    4. He never call himself God,he preached the trinity.

    what was he ??? he made himself the master of the church and dictated what was good to teach or not ,is this not taken the place of God or a god ???


    Terra.

    He never consider himself to be worshipped as God.
    He teaches the trinity;trying to explain the God
    he is teaching.
    He never teach his church to worship him.
    The false prophet will tell the world to *WORSHIP HIM*
    ALONE AND NO OTHER GOD.

    wakeup.

    #356133
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    Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 25 2013,16:50)
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    5.He did not sit in the temple of God in Jerusalem.

    how could Constantin do that the temple of Jerusalem the only temple that had any meaning in God's eyes ,God let it be destroyed in 70 AD,

    now tell me even if the world build a new temple in Jerusalem WOULD IT BE SANCTIFIED BY GOD ??? WOULD THEIR BE AN NEW  LIGHT BURNING TO SHOW THAT GOD HIS THERE ??? OR WOULD IT BE A FAKE TEMPLE WITH ALL FAKE PRIESTS AND CEREMONIES ???


    Terra.

    The temple will be build by the *jews*,it has not anything to do with God.
    This is what the jews believe;that the messiah will not come before the temple is build.
    They will accept the false prophet as the messiah.
    Not the true believers.

    wakeup.

    #356134
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    Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 25 2013,16:55)
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    3. He did not force the population of the world
      to receive a mark in the right hand, or in the forehead.

    no ,only in his empire ,


    Terra.

    The false prophet when he comes,will force the *world*
    that all must have *his mark*,or can not buy or sell,or do any business. No bank account,no job,no food.
    No trade,no import or export.

    All must worship *HIM*by receiving the mark.
    But the true believers will not take his mark,and therefore not worship him. They rather be killed than receive the mark. This is the great test for all the lip worshippers.

    wakeup.

    #356143
    terraricca
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    Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 25 2013,13:26)

    Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 25 2013,16:44)
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    4. He never call himself God,he preached the trinity.

    what was he ??? he made himself the master of the church and dictated what was good to teach or not ,is this not taken the place of God or a god ???


    Terra.

    He never consider himself to be worshipped as God.
    He teaches the trinity;trying to explain the God
    he is teaching.
    He never teach his church to worship him.
    The false prophet will tell the world to *WORSHIP HIM*
    ALONE AND NO OTHER GOD.

    wakeup.


    wakeup

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    The false prophet will tell the world to *WORSHIP HIM*
    ALONE AND NO OTHER GOD.

    show this in scriptures please

    #356144
    terraricca
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    Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 25 2013,13:32)

    Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 25 2013,16:50)
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    5.He did not sit in the temple of God in Jerusalem.

    how could Constantin do that the temple of Jerusalem the only temple that had any meaning in God's eyes ,God let it be destroyed in 70 AD,

    now tell me even if the world build a new temple in Jerusalem WOULD IT BE SANCTIFIED BY GOD ??? WOULD THEIR BE AN NEW  LIGHT BURNING TO SHOW THAT GOD HIS THERE ??? OR WOULD IT BE A FAKE TEMPLE WITH ALL FAKE PRIESTS AND CEREMONIES ???


    Terra.

    The temple will be build by the *jews*,it has not anything to do with God.
    This is what the jews believe;that the messiah will not come before the temple is build.
    They will accept the false prophet as the messiah.
    Not the true believers.

    wakeup.


    wakeup

    but they have already accepted many during the years before Christ and after

    #356146
    terraricca
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    Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 25 2013,13:50)

    Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 25 2013,16:55)
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    3. He did not force the population of the world
      to receive a mark in the right hand, or in the forehead.

    no ,only in his empire ,


    Terra.

    The false prophet when he comes,will force the *world*
    that all must have *his mark*,or can not buy or sell,or do any business. No bank account,no job,no food.
    No trade,no import or export.

    All must worship *HIM*by receiving the mark.
    But the true believers will not take his mark,and therefore not worship him. They rather be killed than receive the mark. This is the great test for all the lip worshippers.

    wakeup.


    wakeup

    is the beast now the false prophet ???

    #356147
    terraricca
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    Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 25 2013,13:17)

    Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 25 2013,16:38)
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    9.The falling away is in the last days.

    how can a fall away person ,still fall away ???

    we now live to go to God because of the fall away sins Constantine , sins the apostles dead we believers struggle to become righteous in the eyes of God ,this was taken away wen Constantin came ,because of the fall away of the many


    Terra.

    The falling away is not of one person,
    but of the teachings.
    The teachings has gone out of the way in these last days.

    wakeup.


    wakeup

    i do not say that it is one person,but today there's more truth than there was after Constantin set in , in 325 the Nicene creed ,

    #356148
    terraricca
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    Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 25 2013,13:26)

    Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 25 2013,16:44)
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    4. He never call himself God,he preached the trinity.

    what was he ??? he made himself the master of the church and dictated what was good to teach or not ,is this not taken the place of God or a god ???


    Terra.

    He never consider himself to be worshipped as God.
    He teaches the trinity;trying to explain the God
    he is teaching.
    He never teach his church to worship him.
    The false prophet will tell the world to *WORSHIP HIM*
    ALONE AND NO OTHER GOD.

    wakeup.


    wakeup

    does any one today that is regarded as an idol thinks he is God or a god ??? no ,just some people treat them as such ,

    Constantine on Heresy:

    Constantine was not yet a baptized Christian (although T.G. Elliot argues that he didn't need to convert to become a Christian since he already may have been one) when he settled matters of Christian dogma and the Arian Controversy at the First Nicene Council (First Council of Nicaea), which ended on August (or July) 25, 325. As a result of his initial decision against the Arians, Constantine exiled his friend Eusebius for holding an heretical position. Constantine later revised his opinion and recalled Eusebius.
    It was from 325 that Constantine enjoyed sole reign in the Roman empire, having defeated and executed his co-emperor Licinius, who had reneged on the Edict of Milan.

    wen you are the master and MAXIMUS ,how do you think your own people trait you or see you ???

    #356166
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    Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 26 2013,03:15)

    Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 25 2013,13:26)

    Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 25 2013,16:44)
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    4. He never call himself God,he preached the trinity.

    what was he ??? he made himself the master of the church and dictated what was good to teach or not ,is this not taken the place of God or a god ???


    Terra.

    He never consider himself to be worshipped as God.
    He teaches the trinity;trying to explain the God
    he is teaching.
    He never teach his church to worship him.
    The false prophet will tell the world to *WORSHIP HIM*
    ALONE AND NO OTHER GOD.

    wakeup.


    wakeup

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    The false prophet will tell the world to *WORSHIP HIM*
    ALONE AND NO OTHER GOD.

    show this in scriptures please


    Terra.

    I have given you the scripture,have you read it?

    2 Thessalonians 2:4 Who opposeth and ***exalteth himself above all that is called God***, ***or that is worshipped***; so that ***he as God sitteth in the temple of God***, shewing himself ***that he is God**.
    *OR THAT IS WORSHIPPED*
    SHOWING HIMSELF THAT *HE* IS GOD.

    wakeup.

    #356167
    Wakeup
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    Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 26 2013,03:17)

    Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 25 2013,13:32)

    Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 25 2013,16:50)
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    5.He did not sit in the temple of God in Jerusalem.

    how could Constantin do that the temple of Jerusalem the only temple that had any meaning in God's eyes ,God let it be destroyed in 70 AD,

    now tell me even if the world build a new temple in Jerusalem WOULD IT BE SANCTIFIED BY GOD ??? WOULD THEIR BE AN NEW  LIGHT BURNING TO SHOW THAT GOD HIS THERE ??? OR WOULD IT BE A FAKE TEMPLE WITH ALL FAKE PRIESTS AND CEREMONIES ???


    Terra.

    The temple will be build by the *jews*,it has not anything to do with God.
    This is what the jews believe;that the messiah will not come before the temple is build.
    They will accept the false prophet as the messiah.
    Not the true believers.

    wakeup.


    wakeup

    but they have already accepted many during the years before Christ and after


    Terra.

    The jews of today;israel is still waiting for *their*
    messiah. They are ready to build the new(3rd temple).

    wakeup.

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