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  • #355829
    terraricca
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    wakeup
    Rome

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    **Is the 7th from Egypt on**.

    to my calculation it is the six from Egypt ???

    #355850
    journey42
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    terraricca,Aug. wrote:

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    J42

    hi ,longtime no talk,are you ok ,I hope so ,

    Hi Pierre

    Yes, I'm good thanks.  Have had many distractions at home that have taken me away from Heaven net, and to tell you the truth, I needed the break as it was taking up so much of my time…..But, after considering, I enjoy coming on here so much because it keeps my nose in the bible daily, and that's where I want to be.  The world can wait!

    I'm sorry to read that you have prostate cancer. I will pray for you daily.  I hope you are not in too much pain.  Are you having Chemotherapy or some sort of treatment?  I know a few men that have beaten this disease when they thought it was the end for them.  Anyway, you are in God's hands, and your faith is in him regardless.  Praise the Almighty Lord.

    I will discuss your Daniel 8:25 again soon. It's a very powerful scripture.

    #355854
    terraricca
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    Quote (journey42 @ Aug. 22 2013,06:12)

    terraricca,Aug. wrote:

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    J42

    hi ,longtime no talk,are you ok ,I hope so ,

    Hi Pierre

    Yes, I'm good thanks.  Have had many distractions at home that have taken me away from Heaven net, and to tell you the truth, I needed the break as it was taking up so much of my time…..But, after considering, I enjoy coming on here so much because it keeps my nose in the bible daily, and that's where I want to be.  The world can wait!

    I'm sorry to read that you have prostate cancer. I will pray for you daily.  I hope you are not in too much pain.  Are you having Chemotherapy or some sort of treatment?  I know a few men that have beaten this disease when they thought it was the end for them.  Anyway, you are in God's hands, and your faith is in him regardless.  Praise the Almighty Lord.

    I will discuss your Daniel 8:25 again soon.  It's a very powerful scripture.


    J42

    No ,i do not and will take Chemo ,I have other medication ,like injection every 4 months, and now they will give a pill to try to kill it and reduce the pain, so far the pain is not to bad ,i take aspirin every 5 hours ,but i will see next week with the new pill ,

    thanks for your payers ,either way it is God's will ,

    love in Christ

    #355855
    seekingtruth
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    Pierre,
    I too will keep you in my prayers.

    Wm

    #355861
    terraricca
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    Quote (seekingtruth @ Aug. 22 2013,06:52)
    Pierre,
    I too will keep you in my prayers.

    Wm


    thanks,lets God will be done :)

    #355880
    Wakeup
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    Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 22 2013,08:58)
    wakeup
    Rome

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    **Is the 7th from Egypt on**.

    to my calculation it is the six from Egypt ???


    Terra.

    Yes,Rome is the 6th from Egypt,but that is the old Rome.
    Today's Rome is the 7th(feet),and another Rome is coming which is the 8th(toes). But this is different from the others.

    This one will come out of the bottomless pit.
    This one *was*; *is not*, and *yet is*.
    This one was ruling in the old days,then he is not:
    Not destroyed by God;but just scattered,into the four winds.

    The bottomless pit is satans idea; a one world system is always what he wanted,so he can take control.
    This idea is now *again*being worked on,and is now ready to come out.

    He was,**OLD BABEL**,WITH NIMROD AS KING.
    That was a one world system; and it will be again.
    A one world sytem is coming soon,but only for 3/half years,and Jesus(the stone of a great mountain in heaven)
    will crush them to dust. And the cities of the nations fell.
    Babylon no more.

    wakeup.

    #355881
    journey42
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    yes ,but that verse was accomplish at the time of Christ ,Christ true generation was the last one prior to the end of Israel being a representation of God's people what was ended in 70 AD as Christ foretold it ,

    Hi Pierre, I understand why you say this, but verse 25 is talking about a man.  Who is this man?  There will come a man that will physically stand up against Christ with all his armies and will make war with Christ with all his weapons.

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    Da 8:25 He will cause deceit to prosper, and he will consider himself superior. When they feel secure, he will destroy many and take his stand against the Prince of princes. (Christ then in heaven, but they went after his people )


    Yes, but it says he will STAND UP against The prince of Princes.  This means Christ himself, not his followers.  This is that battle that will happen at Armageddon.

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    and the first part of the verse is well spelled of the way he did  in 70 AD


    Ok, but history states that Rome fell in 476Ad.  This is 406 years after 70AD.  Do you really think that was the LATTER time of their kingdom?

    Daniel 8:23   And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.

    It says in the LATTER TIME of their Kingdom in verse 23, so it's skipping to the end days here.  The time of the end.

    Here is a big clue, …
    …..when the transgressors are come to the full….  
    Transgressors are sinners. Rebels can be anyone.  Christians are classed as rebels to the government.
    When Evil and sin has grown to the maximum we know that this is when it's time for Babylon to be punished.  when the transgressors are come to the full

    Rev 18:5   For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities.

    Daniel 8:24   And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practice, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.

    Back then in 470AD, Rome was standing in their own power.
    Compare this now to Rev
    Dan 8:24 ….And his POWER shall be mighty
    Rev 13:5….And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

    Dan 8:24…..But not by his own power
    Rev 13:2   And the beast which I saw as like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority
    2 Thess 2:9   Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders.

    Dan 8:24……and shall prosper, and practice
    Rev 13:12….And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him…

    Dan 8:24….and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.
    Rev 13:7   And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

    Daniel 8:25   And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes: but he shall be broken without hand.

    Dan 8:25  …he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand
    Rev 13:13   And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the the earth in the sight of men.

    Dan 8:25   …he shall magnify himself in his heart
    Rev 13:6   And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
    2Thess 2:4   Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all this is called God, or that is worshiped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is god.

    Dan 8:25   …and by Peace shall destroy many..
    Rev 6:8   And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was death, and Hell followed with him.  And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with the sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

    Dan 8:25   …he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes: but he shall be broken without hand
    Rev 16:13   And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs cme out of he mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
    Rev 16:14   For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth into the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
    Rev 17:14   These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them, for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings:…
    Rev 19:19   And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

    Dan 8:25   …but he shall be broken without hand.
    Rev 19:20   And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he decieved them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshiped his image.  These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

    I hope you will consider all these verses.

    #355883
    Proclaimer
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    Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 22 2013,14:30)
    J42

    No ,i do not and will  take Chemo ,I have other medication ,like injection every 4 months, and now they will give a pill to try to kill it and reduce the pain, so far the pain is not to bad ,i take aspirin every 5 hours ,but i will see next week  with the new pill ,

    thanks for your payers ,either way it is God's will ,

    love in Christ


    Oh man. I did not realise you were going through this. I am praying for you brother.

    God's will be done as you rightly said.

    Whatever God decides is the right decision.

    I think Paul prayed that he stay with the Church longer even though he desired to be with the Lord. I get two things from that. It is much better to be with the Lord than here. But the Church benefits more if we are here and doing God's will.

    I know myself when I had a vision of the River of Life that there was no way I wanted to be here. In fact I desired death for years, but have since changed my mind given that we get one chance here to prove our love for him.

    Would it be okay for me to post in the prayer section of the forum to get others to pray?

    #355888
    Devolution
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    Hi Terra,

    This last king is that mouth speaking great things

    Daniel 7:8  
       I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

    Daniel 7:20
        And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows.

    Revelation 13:5
       And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

    Old Rome never had 10 kings, she had one king and the senate.
    Never 10 kings at the same time.

    Old Rome fell apart, but the nations which made up that old empire never fell apart, all of them are still with us today except for maybe one or two of them.

    This is when that old kingdom was divided, and is why these modern 10 kings have received no power as of YET.

    But the 10 kings lineage are among the nations which once were in the Roman empire.

    And most of those nations have been at the top of the world power groups since the fall.

    Germany and England for example stopped calling their royals 'of the Holy Roman Empire' only in the 1800's because it was apparently 'controversial'.

    Just my input.
    Thanks Terra.

    #355906
    terraricca
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    Would it be okay for me to post in the prayer section of the forum to get others to pray?

    any true believer always pray for others on a daily bases or should ,as I do ,this are the the prayers that count,to me ,

    today is my shot at the doctor office ,but things do not improve,pain seems to set in the past couple weeks , but to me my choice is made ,:)

    #355955
    terraricca
    Participant

    J42

    my understanding is spiritual ,and so when Christ came so set up his kingdom that will rules the earth and that will never be destroyed because he is out of this world ,no men can touch the kingdom ,unless he entered by invitation and is clothed accordingly ,this is the Rock that breaks the statue and all the kingdoms ,even though they are still living for a while ,verse 25 in Daniel even so that it says mouth it means the power,and the spirit their of ,NOT ONE MAN, this is my understanding

    #355973
    Wakeup
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    Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 23 2013,15:05)
    J42

    my understanding is spiritual ,and so when Christ came so set up his kingdom that will rules the earth and that will never be destroyed because he is out of this world ,no men can touch the kingdom ,unless he entered by invitation and is clothed accordingly ,this is the Rock that breaks the statue and all the kingdoms ,even though they are still living for a while ,verse 25 in Daniel even so that it says mouth it means the power,and the spirit their of ,NOT ONE MAN, this is my understanding


    Hi Terra.

    2 Thessalonians 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth **himself** above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that *HE* as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing *HIMSELF* that he is God.

    He is the one with the great words.

    Notice its a man.

    wakeup.

    #355997
    terraricca
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    Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 23 2013,18:39)

    Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 23 2013,15:05)
    J42

    my understanding is spiritual ,and so when Christ came so set up his kingdom that will rules the earth and that will never be destroyed because he is out of this world ,no men can touch the kingdom ,unless he entered by invitation and is clothed accordingly ,this is the Rock that breaks the statue and all the kingdoms ,even though they are still living for a while ,verse 25 in Daniel even so that it says mouth it means the power,and the spirit their of ,NOT ONE MAN, this is my understanding


    Hi Terra.

    2 Thessalonians 2:4   Who opposeth and exalteth **himself** above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that *HE* as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing *HIMSELF* that he is God.

    He is the one with the great words.

    Notice its a man.

    wakeup.


    wakeup

    this man could easy be Constantin 1 ,if you understand what he did to the truth ;he mixed it up with the pagan satanic practice and change things like he was god ,sit in the power of civil law and religious law ,created miracles ,and understand that such is the leader such is his people

    #356005
    Wakeup
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    Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 24 2013,06:46)

    Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 23 2013,18:39)

    Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 23 2013,15:05)
    J42

    my understanding is spiritual ,and so when Christ came so set up his kingdom that will rules the earth and that will never be destroyed because he is out of this world ,no men can touch the kingdom ,unless he entered by invitation and is clothed accordingly ,this is the Rock that breaks the statue and all the kingdoms ,even though they are still living for a while ,verse 25 in Daniel even so that it says mouth it means the power,and the spirit their of ,NOT ONE MAN, this is my understanding


    Hi Terra.

    2 Thessalonians 2:4   Who opposeth and exalteth **himself** above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that *HE* as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing *HIMSELF* that he is God.

    He is the one with the great words.

    Notice its a man.

    wakeup.


    wakeup

    this man could easy be Constantin 1 ,if you understand what he did to the truth ;he mixed it up with the pagan satanic practice and change things like he was god ,sit in the power of civil law and religious law ,created miracles ,and understand that such is the leader such is his people


    Hi terra.

    Not possible for this man will be cast into the fire at the coming,and this man will not come *before* the falling away first, and he will only be in power *for 3/half years*.

    wakeup.

    #356008
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 24 2013,04:06)

    Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 24 2013,06:46)

    Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 23 2013,18:39)

    Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 23 2013,15:05)
    J42

    my understanding is spiritual ,and so when Christ came so set up his kingdom that will rules the earth and that will never be destroyed because he is out of this world ,no men can touch the kingdom ,unless he entered by invitation and is clothed accordingly ,this is the Rock that breaks the statue and all the kingdoms ,even though they are still living for a while ,verse 25 in Daniel even so that it says mouth it means the power,and the spirit their of ,NOT ONE MAN, this is my understanding


    Hi Terra.

    2 Thessalonians 2:4   Who opposeth and exalteth **himself** above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that *HE* as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing *HIMSELF* that he is God.

    He is the one with the great words.

    Notice its a man.

    wakeup.


    wakeup

    this man could easy be Constantin 1 ,if you understand what he did to the truth ;he mixed it up with the pagan satanic practice and change things like he was god ,sit in the power of civil law and religious law ,created miracles ,and understand that such is the leader such is his people


    Hi terra.

    Not possible for this man will be cast into the fire at the coming,and this man will not come *before* the falling away first, and he will only be in power *for 3/half years*.

    wakeup.


    wakeup

    2Th 2:9 The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders,
    this is what Constantin did ,

    you say that this “man ” only will be there for 3.5 years is this what Paul says ???

    #356034
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Hi Terra.

    This is what Paul says:

    2 Thessalonians 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by *the coming* of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

    THIS IS ABOUT THE COMING OF OUR LORD.

    2 Thessalonians 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

    PAUL SAYS THAT WE SHOULD NOT BE SHAKEN IN MIND
    REGARDING THE *COMING* OF JESUS CHRIST.
    NEITHER BY SPIRIT,NOR BY BY LETTER.

    2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

    DONT BE DECEIVED.
    THAT DAY OF THE COMING WILL *NOT COME*; EXCEPT
    THE FALLING AWAY *MUST COME FIRST*.
    IT WILL *TAKE TIME* FOR THE ESTABLISHED CHURCH TO FALL AWAY. CONSTANTINE WAS JUST BEGINNING TO
    TEACH ANOTHER GOSPEL. IT IS NOW ESTABLISHED.
    FOR OUT OF THIS CHURCH CAME OUT MANY CHURCHES.

    THE FALLING AWAY HAS COME IN THESE LAST DAYS.
    THIS ALSO TAKES TIME TO TEACH ANOTHER GOPEL.
    IT TOOK MAN 2000YRS TO BRING FORTH MANY *DIFFERENT* TEACHINGS OF GOD AND CHRIST.
    FROM ONE GENERATION TO THE NEXT.

    2 Thessalonians 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth *himself* above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

    THIS MAN EXALTED HIMSELF ABOVE *ALL* THAT IS CALLED GOD. HE IS ABOVE *ALL* THAT IS WORSHIPPED AS GOD. HE SITS IN THE TEMPLE OF GOD.

    NO MAN SO FAR *CALLED HIMSELF GOD*;AND NO MAN
    IS *WORSHIPPED *AS GOD* THEY ALL PREACH JESUS.
    THE CATHOLIC CHURCH ALSO PREACH JESUS,AND GOD.
    THERE WAS NO PHYSICAL TEMPLE TO SIT IN DURING
    CONSTANTINE,BECAUSE THE TEMPLE WAS DESTROYED IN 70AD.

    2 Thessalonians 2:5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

    2 Thessalonians 2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

    HIS TIME IS NOT YET COME;UNTILL THE FALLING AWAY
    MUST COME FIRST.CHRISTIANS BELIEVING IN A NEW
    A NEW THEOLOGY.

    2 Thessalonians 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

    THE MYTERY OF INIQUITY IS ALREADY *STARTED*.
    BEGINNING TO EVOLVE.(SPREAD).
    ONLY GOD WILL LET,WHEN HE IS READY TO LET.

    2 Thessalonians 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

    AND THAN, SHALL THAT WICKED BE REVEALED; HE WILL BE DESTROYED BY THE BRIGHTNESS OF CHRIST COMING.
    BY THE SWORD IN HIS MOUTH. THIS MEANS THAT HE WILL BE HERE AT THE COMING.NOT IN SOME GRAVE.

    2 Thessalonians 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

    THIS MAN IS WORKING WITH THE POWER OF SATAN.
    HE IS THE SON OF SATAN. HIS MIRACLES WILL BE GREAT;AND HIS WORDS WILL ALSO BE GREAT.
    **THE WORLD** WILL WONDER AFTER HIM.
    EVIL MUST HAVE COME TO THE MAXIMUM,BEFORE IT WILL BE DESTROYED;IT HAS NOT REACH THAT POINT IN *THE DAYS OF CONSTANTINE*.

    2 Thessalonians 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

    ALL THAT HAVE NOT BELIEVED IN THE TRUTH,WILL BELIEVE HIS LYING WORDS,AND SHALL PERISH.
    ONLY IN THESE LAST DAYS KNOWLEDGE HAS INCREASED,AND THE TRUTH IS REVEALED.

    2 Thessalonians 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

    THEY WILL BELIEVE IN HIS STRONG DELUSIONS.
    THEY WILL BELIEVE HIS LIES.BUT WE ARE NOR DECEIVED,BECAUSE OF THE TRUTH.

    2 Thessalonians 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

    ALL THAT BELIEVE NOT THE TRUTH,BUT HAVE PLEASURE IN UNRIGHTEOUSNESS WILL BE DAMNED.

    2 Thessalonians 2:13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

    GOD HAS GIVEN US THE TRUTH,FROM THE BEGINNING
    HAS CHOSEN US TO SALVATION. FOR GOD KNOWS WHO ARE HIS.

    2 Thessalonians 2:14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.

    THE GOSPEL WE BELIEVE IN HAS GIVEN US THE TRUTH.
    BY SEEKING THE WORD OF GOD,WE HAVE FOUND THE TRUTH IN THESE LAST DAYS,BECAUSE EVERY HAPPENINGS IN THE WORLD HAS COME TO SURFACE.

    2 Thessalonians 2:15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

    WE NEED TO STAY WITH THE ORIGINAL TEACHINGS AND TRADITIONS,WHAT WE HAVE BEEN TAUGHT.
    AND NOT GO FOR NEW GOSPELS, OR NEW PHILOSOPHIES,ALL THIS TAKES TIME TO SPREAD.
    CORRUPTING FROM GENERATION TO GENERATION.

    2 Thessalonians 2:16 Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace,

    GOD LOVED US AND GIVEN US HOPE,AND MERCY.

    2 Thessalonians 2:17 Comfort your hearts, and stablish you in every good word and work.

    LETS KEEP ON DOING THE GOOD WORK.

    wakeup.

    #356037
    terraricca
    Participant

    Wakeup

    The fall away ,means to go away from the truth of God, this was made through Constantin,for his creation of the devil religion,Right ???

    #356038
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 24 2013,17:11)
    Wakeup

    The fall away ,means to go away from the truth of God, this was made through Constantin,for his creation of the devil religion,Right ???


    Terra.

    True; he has started his church,and today it has split
    into many;and spreading fast from generation to generation.In the letters to the churches of revelation we can see that the churches are already started to move away from the truth.

    The falling away is when they dont preach the true gospels anymore,but some strange doctrine far from the truth. Children are not allowed to pray at school, or mention the word God anymore.They are being taught from a young age not to depend on God.

    They are preaching that allah is jehovah God.
    Christians go to the mosque to pray.They teach that,
    all religions worship the same god their own way.
    All are the same, all worshipping the same god.
    The *one world religion* is being engineerd;and the catholic church is in charge.Evil has come to the full.

    wakeup.

    #356043
    Devolution
    Participant

    Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 24 2013,16:49)
    Hi Terra.

    This is what Paul says:

    2 Thessalonians 2:1   Now we beseech you, brethren, by *the coming* of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

    THIS IS ABOUT THE COMING OF OUR LORD.

     2 Thessalonians 2:2   That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

    PAUL SAYS THAT WE SHOULD NOT BE SHAKEN IN MIND
    REGARDING THE *COMING* OF JESUS CHRIST.
    NEITHER BY SPIRIT,NOR BY BY LETTER.

     2 Thessalonians 2:3   Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

    DONT BE DECEIVED.
    THAT DAY OF THE COMING WILL *NOT COME*; EXCEPT
    THE FALLING AWAY *MUST COME FIRST*.
    IT WILL *TAKE TIME* FOR THE ESTABLISHED CHURCH TO FALL AWAY. CONSTANTINE WAS JUST BEGINNING TO
    TEACH ANOTHER GOSPEL. IT IS NOW ESTABLISHED.
    FOR OUT OF THIS CHURCH CAME OUT MANY CHURCHES.

    THE FALLING AWAY HAS COME IN THESE LAST DAYS.
    THIS ALSO TAKES TIME TO TEACH ANOTHER GOPEL.
    IT TOOK MAN 2000YRS TO BRING FORTH MANY *DIFFERENT* TEACHINGS OF GOD AND CHRIST.
    FROM ONE GENERATION TO THE NEXT.

     2 Thessalonians 2:4   Who opposeth and exalteth *himself* above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

    THIS MAN EXALTED HIMSELF ABOVE *ALL* THAT IS CALLED GOD. HE IS ABOVE *ALL* THAT IS WORSHIPPED AS GOD. HE SITS IN THE TEMPLE OF GOD.

    NO MAN SO FAR *CALLED HIMSELF GOD*;AND NO MAN
    IS *WORSHIPPED *AS GOD* THEY ALL PREACH JESUS.
    THE CATHOLIC CHURCH ALSO PREACH JESUS,AND GOD.
    THERE WAS NO PHYSICAL TEMPLE TO SIT IN DURING
    CONSTANTINE,BECAUSE THE TEMPLE WAS DESTROYED IN 70AD.

     2 Thessalonians 2:5   Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

     2 Thessalonians 2:6   And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

    HIS TIME IS NOT YET COME;UNTILL THE FALLING AWAY
    MUST COME FIRST.CHRISTIANS BELIEVING IN A NEW
    A NEW THEOLOGY.

     2 Thessalonians 2:7   For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

    THE MYTERY OF INIQUITY IS ALREADY *STARTED*.
    BEGINNING TO EVOLVE.(SPREAD).
    ONLY GOD WILL LET,WHEN HE IS READY TO LET.

     2 Thessalonians 2:8   And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

    AND THAN, SHALL THAT WICKED BE REVEALED; HE WILL BE DESTROYED BY THE BRIGHTNESS OF CHRIST COMING.
    BY THE SWORD IN HIS MOUTH. THIS MEANS THAT HE WILL BE HERE AT THE COMING.NOT IN SOME GRAVE.    

     2 Thessalonians 2:9   Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

    THIS MAN IS WORKING WITH THE POWER OF SATAN.
    HE IS THE SON OF SATAN. HIS MIRACLES WILL BE GREAT;AND HIS WORDS WILL ALSO BE GREAT.
    **THE WORLD** WILL WONDER AFTER HIM.
    EVIL MUST HAVE COME TO THE MAXIMUM,BEFORE IT WILL BE DESTROYED;IT HAS NOT REACH THAT POINT IN *THE DAYS OF CONSTANTINE*.

     2 Thessalonians 2:10   And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

    ALL THAT HAVE NOT BELIEVED IN THE TRUTH,WILL BELIEVE HIS LYING WORDS,AND SHALL PERISH.
    ONLY IN THESE LAST DAYS KNOWLEDGE HAS INCREASED,AND THE TRUTH IS REVEALED.

     2 Thessalonians 2:11   And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

    THEY WILL BELIEVE IN HIS STRONG DELUSIONS.
    THEY WILL BELIEVE HIS LIES.BUT WE ARE NOR DECEIVED,BECAUSE OF THE TRUTH.

     2 Thessalonians 2:12   That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

    ALL THAT BELIEVE NOT THE TRUTH,BUT HAVE PLEASURE IN UNRIGHTEOUSNESS WILL BE DAMNED.

     2 Thessalonians 2:13   But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

    GOD HAS GIVEN US THE TRUTH,FROM THE BEGINNING
    HAS CHOSEN US TO SALVATION. FOR GOD KNOWS WHO ARE HIS.

     2 Thessalonians 2:14   Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.

    THE GOSPEL WE BELIEVE IN HAS GIVEN US THE TRUTH.
    BY SEEKING THE WORD OF GOD,WE HAVE FOUND THE TRUTH IN THESE LAST DAYS,BECAUSE EVERY HAPPENINGS IN THE WORLD HAS COME TO SURFACE.  

     2 Thessalonians 2:15   Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

    WE NEED TO STAY WITH THE ORIGINAL TEACHINGS AND TRADITIONS,WHAT WE HAVE BEEN TAUGHT.
    AND NOT GO FOR NEW GOSPELS, OR NEW PHILOSOPHIES,ALL THIS TAKES TIME TO SPREAD.
    CORRUPTING FROM GENERATION TO GENERATION.

     2 Thessalonians 2:16   Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace,

    GOD LOVED US AND GIVEN US HOPE,AND MERCY.

     2 Thessalonians 2:17   Comfort your hearts, and stablish you in every good word and work.

    LETS KEEP ON DOING THE GOOD WORK.

    wakeup.


    Greetings Wakeup,

    Excellent answer very well explained, I really enjoyed that.

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    terraricca
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    Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 24 2013,12:31)

    Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 24 2013,17:11)
    Wakeup

    The fall away ,means to go away from the truth of God, this was made through Constantin,for his creation of the devil religion,Right ???


    Terra.

    True; he has started his church,and today it has split
    into many;and spreading fast from generation to generation.In the letters to the churches of revelation we can see that the churches are already started to move away from the truth.

    The falling away is when they dont preach the true gospels anymore,but some strange doctrine far from the truth. Children are not allowed to pray at school, or mention the word God anymore.They are being taught from a young age not to depend on God.

    They are preaching that allah is jehovah God.
    Christians go to the mosque to pray.They teach that,
    all religions worship the same god their own way.
    All are the same, all worshipping the same god.
    The *one world religion* is being engineerd;and the catholic church is in charge.Evil has come to the full.

    wakeup.


    wakeup

    so the fall away from the truth came more intensely after the last apostle die this is John,in -+ 96 AD ,now there was no one to hold fast to the truth ,because the true witnesses were all dead, so it was now given to those like Timothy to stand for what was the truth ,but many felled back and as time pasted came Constantin and made sure that the truth of God was not made known to the people ,by supplying a pagan universal religion for his empire ,so if you want to buy ,to eat ,to live to work you better be or become one of them ,this lasted until the protestant revolt,about 1200 years

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