What is the beast

[Proclaimer]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 07 2013,07:43)

Hi T8, I know how this kind of thing happens, and I have seen this pattern again and again. The problem stems from when people consider their understanding as a fixed immovable position. Then since the other person (other than them) has to be 'wrong', they then misunderstand what someone has said, and attempt to make that which was said 'wrong' as well. This can also be seen how they view the big picture, they cannot understand how truth can be the core of another person's view, because they consider it to be opposing to Scripture rather than what it actually is, which is a different view than theirs.

Well put. But that equally applies to yourself and myself too.

We need to be open to other people's view, but if it doesn't align up with scripture, then do not accept it. If it does, then it is still not necessarily true, but is a contender.

[Wakeup]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 07 2013,05:55)

Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 05 2013,18:18) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 05 2013,03:12) Hi Wakeup, Because you do not understand you blame me for being wrong.   God bless Ed J EdJ. Is the beast that *WAS* Islam? Y/N? wakeup. Hi Wakeup, The beast of Rev.13:1-3 is called a beast because it is a beast of world conquest. It has seven heads which are: 1. Egypt 2. Assyria 3. Babylon 4. Medo-Persia 5. Greek 6. Roman             (<–John's time) 7. Ottoman       8. Muhammadan islam So the beast was, but islam wasn't. I hope YOU understand this time around. Islam(8th) is all about world conquest, Wakeup. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

EDJ.

REV 17.
The 7 heads are 7mountains,and 7kings;5are fallen and one is. AND THE OTHER IS *NOT YET COME*(8TH NOT YETCOME).

WHEN THE 8TH COMETH;HE HAS TO CONTINUE A SHORT SPACE(ONE HOUR). AND THE BEAST THAT *WAS* IS NOT (IN JOHNS TIME)EVEN HE IS THE 8TH;AND IS OF THE 7TH.AND GO INTO PERDITION.(THE 8TH COMING OUT OF THE 7TH).

THE 10 HORNS ARE 10KINGS,(8TH) RECEIVED NO KINGDOM AS YET,BUT RECEIVED POWER *AS* KINGS *ONE HOUR* WITH THE BEAST(THE 8TH).

THE BEAST THAT WAS IS A ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT SYSTEM. (NIMRODS BABEL).
BABEL IS NOT IN JOHNS TIME;YET IS.(THE IDEA IS STILL THERE).
WHE HE COMES HE WILL BE THE 8TH,AND GO INTO PERDITION.

There is no connection to islam at all.

wakeup.

[Wakeup]

The image in Daniel:(some concentration needed).

**STARTING FROM BABYLON**:
1.The head is Babylon.(gold).
2. The chest and arms is medo/persia.(silver).
3. The belly and thighs is greece.(brass)
4.The *legs* is Roman(iron).*(old roman empire)*.

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5. The feet is mixed Roman(iron and clay).
6. The 10 toes is mixed Roman still;(iron with clay).
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Starting from Egypt;the 7heads;7mountains;7 kings:(rev17:9—12).

Dan. ch.2.
1.Egypt.
2.Assyria.
3.Babylon.
4.Medo persia.
5.Greece.
6.Rome.(the two legs only).
7.The feet mixed iron and clay. The british empire.
8. The 10 toes mixed iron and clay. The nwo.(only for a short time).(1 hour)
There are no more. Babylon is no more.
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Dan.ch7. This is a vision **just before** babylon is *destroyed by the Medes*.In the reign of Belshazzar.
(king Neb is no more).

1. The lion with wings,is Darius the mede.
2.The bear is persia.(there were 3 kings before).(3 ribs in his mouth).
3. The leopard with the four wings like a fowl,is greece.
4. The terrible beast with the 10 horns,and a little horn,
with a mouth and eyes.(Jumping to the last beast here).

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(OLD ROMAN AND THE NEW:( THE LEGS, AND THE FEET), IS NOT MENTIONED.
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The 10 horns also = the 10 toes. kingdom of a mixed people. The little horn with eyes and a mouth,will come up and take control.

This will be the last kingdom,THIS BEAST WILL BE CAST IN THE LAKE OF FIRE. DAN7:11.

wakeup.

[Ed J]

Hi Wakeup,

Have you not considered “Christ” to be the stone cut out without hands?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 11 2013,16:43)

Hi Wakeup, Have you not considered “Christ” to be the stone cut out without hands? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

And have you not also heard, Rome was won over to Christianity.

[Devolution]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 11 2013,16:46)

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 11 2013,16:43) Hi Wakeup, Have you not considered “Christ” to be the stone cut out without hands? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org And have you not also heard, Rome was won over to Christianity.

Hi Ed,

Yes Wakeup knows that the stone cut without hands is Christ.
As for Rome being won over to Christianity…Constantine mixed paganism with Christianity and out came Catholicism.
A perversion of the truth.
Hardly a strong counter argument considering.

Ed, notice that the iron continues to the very toes, iron was Rome remember?
So since iron is of Rome, and is present in this last kingdom right to the tips of the toes, then how can you say, “No, it stands for some other empire”? when iron stands for Roman?

Should we change the scriptures and make those toes become nickel mixed with clay instead or iron mixed with clay?

Because this is what is needed to make your interpretation credible, otherwise, you are going against the theme that God already provided for us to work out…that the iron is still present in this last kingdom.

Iron is not Islam and never can be.

cheers.

[Ed J]

Quote (Devolution @ Aug. 11 2013,18:22)

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 11 2013,16:46) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 11 2013,16:43) Hi Wakeup, Have you not considered “Christ” to be the stone cut out without hands? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org And have you not also heard, Rome was won over to Christianity. Hi Ed, Yes Wakeup knows that the stone cut without hands is Christ.

Devo, and did you know it was the stone smote the image?  That same stone is winning the whole world to Christianity!

“Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like
 the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them:
 and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth.” (Dan 2:35)

Oh yea that's right, when you don't understand History's fulfillment of Prophecy – turn it into a future event.  

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Wakeup]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 14 2013,16:00)

Quote (Devolution @ Aug. 11 2013,18:22) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 11 2013,16:46) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 11 2013,16:43) Hi Wakeup, Have you not considered “Christ” to be the stone cut out without hands? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org And have you not also heard, Rome was won over to Christianity. Hi Ed, Yes Wakeup knows that the stone cut without hands is Christ. Devo, and did you know it was the stone smote the image?  That same stone is winning the whole world to Christianity! “Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like  the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them:  and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth.” (Dan 2:35) Oh yea that's right, when you don't understand History's fulfillment of Prophecy – turn it into a future event.   God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

EdJ.

The stone cut without hands is the coming,to turn babylon into rubble. And the cities of the nations fell.
Babylon will be a heap,it becomes the habitation of devils and every unclean and hateful bird.

wakeup.

[terraricca]

wakeup

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6.Rome.(the two legs only).

if this is true then the scriptures are wrong ;Da 2:40 Finally , there will be a fourth kingdom  , strong as iron—for iron breaks and smashes everything—and as iron breaks things to pieces, so it will crush and break all the others.

if you do not include the feet and toes in the fourth then you create a fifth ;does scriptures says this

Da 2:39 “After you, another kingdom will rise, inferior to yours. Next,a third kingdom , one of bronze, will rule over the whole earth.

[Wakeup]

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 21 2013,01:57)

wakeup Quote 6.Rome.(the two legs only). if this is true then the scriptures are wrong ;Da 2:40 Finally , there will be a fourth kingdom  , strong as iron—for iron breaks and smashes everything—and as iron breaks things to pieces, so it will crush and break all the others. if you do not include the feet and toes in the fourth then you create a fifth ;does scriptures says this Da 2:39 “After you, another kingdom will rise, inferior to yours. Next,a third kingdom , one of bronze, will rule over the whole earth.

Hi Terra,how are you doing?

WE know that the brass is greece,so lets concentrate on the IRON,AND THE IRON MIXED WITH CLAY.

Daniel 2:40 And the fourth kingdom shall be strong as *iron*: forasmuch as *iron* breaketh in pieces and subdueth all things: and as *iron* that breaketh all these, shall it break in pieces and bruise.

THE **OLD ROMAN EMPIRE** IS THE IRON.
NO MORE BABYLON,PERSIA,GREECE.

Daniel 2:41 And whereas thou sawest the *feet* and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay.

THE FEET IS TODAY'S ROME*(STILL IRON)*;BUT A MIXED NATION.
THE 7TH EMPIRE. THE 7TH HEAD.THE 8TH IS *COMING*
OUT OF THE 7TH.

Daniel 2:42 And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken.

THIS IS STILL ROME;THE *LAST DAYS* EMPIRE WITH THE 10 KINGS,THIS EMPIRE WILL ONLY LAST 3/HALF YEARS.THE LITTLE HORN WILL RULE. THE 8TH THAT CAME OF THE 7TH. STILL TO COME,SOON.THE NWO.
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THIS IS THE DREADFUL AND TERRIBLE BEAST THAT WILL BE CAST IN THE FIRE **(DAN.7:7–11)**.
THE LITTLE HORN IS THE LAST DAYS FALSE PROPHET.
THE 8TH.
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Daniel 2:43 And whereas thou sawest (iron mixed* with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as *iron* is not mixed with clay.
JUST SAYING THAT THE IRON WILL NOT MIXED WITH CLAY.

Daniel 2:44 And *in the days* of these *kings*(**NOTE KINGS**) shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.
CHRIST(THE STONE) WILL BREAK THEM IN PIECES.
BABYLON NO MORE; THE CITIES OF THE NATIONS NO MORE.

Daniel 2:45 Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure.
THERE WILL BE NO MORE KINGDOMS,BUT THE REST WILL BE SPARED, BUT THEIR DOMINION TAKEN AWAY.
THEY WILL HAVE NO MORE BOUNDARIES,AS A KINGDOM HAVE.*(DAN 7:12)*.

AS YOU CAN SEE THERE ARE ONLY FOUR.
1.GOLD.
2.SILVER.
3.BRASS.
4.IRON.

THE IRON MIXED WITH CLAY AND THE 10 KINGS WILL BE THE 8TH AND THE LAST ONE ONLY LAST *3/HALF YRS*; HE WILL BE CAST IN THE FIRE.

wakeup.

[terraricca]

WAKEUP

you do not address my quote ,you are only repeating your self ,please address the quote and the scriptures their in ,

I doing as I can it is down hill from here on but their is nothing to do ,I do not know what God as for me ,but if I die it is OK with me if I live it is OK with me ,it is in God's hand he own me ,so whatever my creator want to do with me is OK for me ,I have full trust in him ,

how do you feel I hope it is better than I ,:)

[Wakeup]

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 21 2013,01:57)

wakeup Quote 6.Rome.(the two legs only). if this is true then the scriptures are wrong ;Da 2:40 Finally , there will be a fourth kingdom  , strong as iron—for iron breaks and smashes everything—and as iron breaks things to pieces, so it will crush and break all the others. if you do not include the feet and toes in the fourth then you create a fifth ;does scriptures says this Da 2:39 “After you, another kingdom will rise, inferior to yours. Next,a third kingdom , one of bronze, will rule over the whole earth.

Terra.

I had a flu for two wks. am better now.

QUOTE:
if this is true then the scriptures are wrong ;Da 2:40 Finally , there will be a fourth kingdom , strong as iron—for iron breaks and smashes everything—and as iron breaks things to pieces, so it will crush and break all the others.
if you do not include the feet and toes in the fourth then you create a fifth ;does scriptures says this

Da 2:39 “After you, another kingdom will rise, inferior to yours. Next,a third kingdom , one of bronze, will rule over the whole earth.
UNQUOTE:

I THINK YOU HAVE MISUNDERSTOOD DAN2:39.
IT SAYS; *AFTER YOU*
**YOU = KING NEBUCHADNEZZAR.**

THERE ARE ONLY THE GOLD; THE SILVER; THE BRASS; AND THE IRON KINGDOMS. NO OTHER METAL.
THE SAME IRON/CLAY IS RULING NOW.*THE7TH*
THE LAST IRON KINGDOM IS ALSO THE IRON/CLAY
THE 10 TOES.(STILL IRON,STILL ROME).(THE 8TH).

wakeup.

[terraricca]

Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 21 2013,05:54)

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 21 2013,01:57) wakeup Quote 6.Rome.(the two legs only). if this is true then the scriptures are wrong ;Da 2:40 Finally , there will be a fourth kingdom  , strong as iron—for iron breaks and smashes everything—and as iron breaks things to pieces, so it will crush and break all the others. if you do not include the feet and toes in the fourth then you create a fifth ;does scriptures says this Da 2:39 “After you, another kingdom will rise, inferior to yours. Next,a third kingdom , one of bronze, will rule over the whole earth. Terra. I had a flu for two wks. am better now.               QUOTE: if this is true then the scriptures are wrong ;Da 2:40 Finally , there will be a fourth kingdom  , strong as iron—for iron breaks and smashes everything—and as iron breaks things to pieces, so it will crush and break all the others. if you do not include the feet and toes in the fourth then you create a fifth ;does scriptures says this Da 2:39 “After you, another kingdom will rise, inferior to yours. Next,a third kingdom , one of bronze, will rule over the whole earth.            UNQUOTE: I THINK YOU HAVE MISUNDERSTOOD DAN2:39. IT SAYS; *AFTER YOU* **YOU = KING NEBUCHADNEZZAR.** THERE ARE ONLY THE GOLD; THE SILVER; THE BRASS; AND THE IRON KINGDOMS. NO OTHER METAL. THE SAME IRON/CLAY IS RULING NOW.*THE7TH* THE LAST IRON KINGDOM IS ALSO THE IRON/CLAY THE 10 TOES.(STILL IRON,STILL ROME).(THE 8TH). wakeup.

wakeup

no ,i did understand it right ,is Nabu not the golden head ? yes

Da 2:40 Finally , there will be a fourth kingdom  , strong as iron—for iron breaks and smashes everything—and as iron breaks things to pieces, so it will crush and break all the others.

SO;if you do not include the feet and toes in the fourth then you create a fifth ;does scriptures says this

[Wakeup]

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 21 2013,12:13)

Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 21 2013,05:54) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 21 2013,01:57) wakeup Quote 6.Rome.(the two legs only). if this is true then the scriptures are wrong ;Da 2:40 Finally , there will be a fourth kingdom  , strong as iron—for iron breaks and smashes everything—and as iron breaks things to pieces, so it will crush and break all the others. if you do not include the feet and toes in the fourth then you create a fifth ;does scriptures says this Da 2:39 “After you, another kingdom will rise, inferior to yours. Next,a third kingdom , one of bronze, will rule over the whole earth. Terra. I had a flu for two wks. am better now.               QUOTE: if this is true then the scriptures are wrong ;Da 2:40 Finally , there will be a fourth kingdom  , strong as iron—for iron breaks and smashes everything—and as iron breaks things to pieces, so it will crush and break all the others. if you do not include the feet and toes in the fourth then you create a fifth ;does scriptures says this Da 2:39 “After you, another kingdom will rise, inferior to yours. Next,a third kingdom , one of bronze, will rule over the whole earth.            UNQUOTE: I THINK YOU HAVE MISUNDERSTOOD DAN2:39. IT SAYS; *AFTER YOU* **YOU = KING NEBUCHADNEZZAR.** THERE ARE ONLY THE GOLD; THE SILVER; THE BRASS; AND THE IRON KINGDOMS. NO OTHER METAL. THE SAME IRON/CLAY IS RULING NOW.*THE7TH* THE LAST IRON KINGDOM IS ALSO THE IRON/CLAY THE 10 TOES.(STILL IRON,STILL ROME).(THE 8TH). wakeup. wakeup no ,i did understand it right ,is Nabu not the golden head ? yes Da 2:40 Finally , there will be a fourth kingdom  , strong as iron—for iron breaks and smashes everything—and as iron breaks things to pieces, so it will crush and break all the others. SO;if you do not include the feet and toes in the fourth then you create a fifth ;does scriptures says this

Hi Terra.

How is there a fifth?
When the feet and the toes is the same fourth
kingdom;the iron?
The fourth continued to the last kingdom which is the
8th with the 10 kings. Still the *iron* mixed with clay.
Still the *Roman empire*.

This means that the Roman empire(the fourth)
was never conquered by any other kingdom.
We are now still in the fourth empire.
*The 7th counting from Egypt*;the *fourth counting from
babylon*.
The beast with the 7heads in revelation is counting from *Egypt*.Keep on asking if this is still not clear to you.

wakeup.

wakeup.

[terraricca]

Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 21 2013,08:24)

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 21 2013,12:13) Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 21 2013,05:54) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 21 2013,01:57) wakeup Quote 6.Rome.(the two legs only). if this is true then the scriptures are wrong ;Da 2:40 Finally , there will be a fourth kingdom  , strong as iron—for iron breaks and smashes everything—and as iron breaks things to pieces, so it will crush and break all the others. if you do not include the feet and toes in the fourth then you create a fifth ;does scriptures says this Da 2:39 “After you, another kingdom will rise, inferior to yours. Next,a third kingdom , one of bronze, will rule over the whole earth. Terra. I had a flu for two wks. am better now.               QUOTE: if this is true then the scriptures are wrong ;Da 2:40 Finally , there will be a fourth kingdom  , strong as iron—for iron breaks and smashes everything—and as iron breaks things to pieces, so it will crush and break all the others. if you do not include the feet and toes in the fourth then you create a fifth ;does scriptures says this Da 2:39 “After you, another kingdom will rise, inferior to yours. Next,a third kingdom , one of bronze, will rule over the whole earth.            UNQUOTE: I THINK YOU HAVE MISUNDERSTOOD DAN2:39. IT SAYS; *AFTER YOU* **YOU = KING NEBUCHADNEZZAR.** THERE ARE ONLY THE GOLD; THE SILVER; THE BRASS; AND THE IRON KINGDOMS. NO OTHER METAL. THE SAME IRON/CLAY IS RULING NOW.*THE7TH* THE LAST IRON KINGDOM IS ALSO THE IRON/CLAY THE 10 TOES.(STILL IRON,STILL ROME).(THE 8TH). wakeup. wakeup no ,i did understand it right ,is Nabu not the golden head ? yes Da 2:40 Finally , there will be a fourth kingdom  , strong as iron—for iron breaks and smashes everything—and as iron breaks things to pieces, so it will crush and break all the others. SO;if you do not include the feet and toes in the fourth then you create a fifth ;does scriptures says this Hi Terra. How is there a fifth? When the feet and the toes is the same fourth kingdom;the iron? The fourth continued to the last kingdom which is the 8th with the 10 kings. Still the *iron* mixed with clay. Still the *Roman empire*. This means that the Roman empire(the fourth) was never conquered by any other kingdom. We are now still in the fourth empire. *The 7th counting from Egypt*;the *fourth counting from babylon*. The beast with the 7heads in revelation is counting from *Egypt*.Keep on asking if this is still not clear to you. wakeup. wakeup.

wakeup

I did not say that their was a fifth ,it is you if you make out of the toes another power;

and as for Rome ;

Da 8:22 The four horns that replaced the one that was broken off represent four kingdoms that will emerge from his nation but will not have the same power.
Da 8:23 “In the latter part of their reign, when rebels have become completely wicked, a stern-faced king, a master of intrigue, will arise.
Da 8:24 He will become very strong, but not by his own power. He will cause astounding devastation and will succeed in whatever he does. He will destroy the mighty men and the holy people.
Da 8:25 He will cause deceit to prosper, and he will consider himself superior. When they feel secure, he will destroy many and take his stand against the Prince of princes. Yet he will be destroyed, but not by human power.

verse 25 talks about Rome as well right

[Wakeup]

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 21 2013,13:42)

Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 21 2013,08:24) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 21 2013,12:13) Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 21 2013,05:54) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 21 2013,01:57) wakeup Quote 6.Rome.(the two legs only). if this is true then the scriptures are wrong ;Da 2:40 Finally , there will be a fourth kingdom  , strong as iron—for iron breaks and smashes everything—and as iron breaks things to pieces, so it will crush and break all the others. if you do not include the feet and toes in the fourth then you create a fifth ;does scriptures says this Da 2:39 “After you, another kingdom will rise, inferior to yours. Next,a third kingdom , one of bronze, will rule over the whole earth. Terra. I had a flu for two wks. am better now.               QUOTE: if this is true then the scriptures are wrong ;Da 2:40 Finally , there will be a fourth kingdom  , strong as iron—for iron breaks and smashes everything—and as iron breaks things to pieces, so it will crush and break all the others. if you do not include the feet and toes in the fourth then you create a fifth ;does scriptures says this Da 2:39 “After you, another kingdom will rise, inferior to yours. Next,a third kingdom , one of bronze, will rule over the whole earth.            UNQUOTE: I THINK YOU HAVE MISUNDERSTOOD DAN2:39. IT SAYS; *AFTER YOU* **YOU = KING NEBUCHADNEZZAR.** THERE ARE ONLY THE GOLD; THE SILVER; THE BRASS; AND THE IRON KINGDOMS. NO OTHER METAL. THE SAME IRON/CLAY IS RULING NOW.*THE7TH* THE LAST IRON KINGDOM IS ALSO THE IRON/CLAY THE 10 TOES.(STILL IRON,STILL ROME).(THE 8TH). wakeup. wakeup no ,i did understand it right ,is Nabu not the golden head ? yes Da 2:40 Finally , there will be a fourth kingdom  , strong as iron—for iron breaks and smashes everything—and as iron breaks things to pieces, so it will crush and break all the others. SO;if you do not include the feet and toes in the fourth then you create a fifth ;does scriptures says this Hi Terra. How is there a fifth? When the feet and the toes is the same fourth kingdom;the iron? The fourth continued to the last kingdom which is the 8th with the 10 kings. Still the *iron* mixed with clay. Still the *Roman empire*. This means that the Roman empire(the fourth) was never conquered by any other kingdom. We are now still in the fourth empire. *The 7th counting from Egypt*;the *fourth counting from babylon*. The beast with the 7heads in revelation is counting from *Egypt*.Keep on asking if this is still not clear to you. wakeup. wakeup. wakeup I did not say that their was a fifth ,it is you if you make out of the toes another power; and as for Rome ; Da 8:22 The four horns that replaced the one that was broken off represent four kingdoms that will emerge from his nation but will not have the same power. Da 8:23 “In the latter part of their reign, when rebels have become completely wicked, a stern-faced king, a master of intrigue, will arise. Da 8:24 He will become very strong, but not by his own power. He will cause astounding devastation and will succeed in whatever he does. He will destroy the mighty men and the holy people. Da 8:25 He will cause deceit to prosper, and he will consider himself superior. When they feel secure, he will destroy many and take his stand against the Prince of princes. Yet he will be destroyed, but not by human power. verse 25 talks about Rome as well right

Terra.

Yes; one of the generals of alexander became great Rome.

1.General Ptolemy got Egypt.
2.General Seleucus got israel and babylon erea.
3.General Lesimacus got the northern part
mecedonia,bulgaria etc.
4. General Casander got greece.

And greece became Rome, and rome took the lot.
and became the two legs,asia Rome king constatine,and
western Rome,itally,and conquered britain.

Eastern Rome was conquered by the ottoman empire
the Turks. Only western Rome is left, and at the greatest
period was under ceasar Octavia.

Then it became britain,and still is today.

wakeup.

[journey42]

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terraricca,Aug. wrote:

Hi Pierre

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verse 25 talks about Rome as well right

Da 8:22 The four horns that replaced the one that was broken off represent four kingdoms that will emerge from his nation but will not have the same power. (Alexanders four generals, not ruling in the same power of Alexander….Greece)
Da 8:23 “In the latter part of their reign, when rebels have become completely wicked, a stern-faced king, a master of intrigue, will arise. (King, not Kings.  Singular)
Da 8:24 He will become very strong, but not by his own power. He will cause astounding devastation and will succeed in whatever he does. He will destroy the mighty men and the holy people.(The false prophet, the Son of Perdition.)
Da 8:25 He will cause deceit to prosper, and he will consider himself superior. When they feel secure, he will destroy many and take his stand against the Princeof princes. Yet he will be destroyed, but not by human. (He, singular, a man, that KING. Not speaking of Rome now, but pinpointing it's end time leader. Rev 13:11-18)

[terraricca]

Quote (journey42 @ Aug. 21 2013,12:55)

Quote terraricca,Aug. wrote: Hi Pierre Quote verse 25 talks about Rome as well right Da 8:22 The four horns that replaced the one that was broken off represent four kingdoms that will emerge from his nation but will not have the same power. (Alexanders four generals, not ruling in the same power of Alexander….Greece) Da 8:23 “In the latter part of their reign, when rebels have become completely wicked, a stern-faced king, a master of intrigue, will arise. (King, not Kings.  Singular) Da 8:24 He will become very strong, but not by his own power. He will cause astounding devastation and will succeed in whatever he does. He will destroy the mighty men and the holy people.(The false prophet, the Son of Perdition.) Da 8:25 He will cause deceit to prosper, and he will consider himself superior. When they feel secure, he will destroy many and take his stand against the Princeof princes. Yet he will be destroyed, but not by human. (He, singular, a man, that KING. Not speaking of Rome now, but pinpointing it's end time leader. Rev 13:11-18)

J42

hi ,longtime no talk,are you ok ,I hope so ,

yes ,but that verse was accomplish at the time of Christ ,Christ true generation was the last one prior to the end of Israel being a representation of God's people what was ended in 70 AD as Christ foretold it ,

Da 8:25 He will cause deceit to prosper, and he will consider himself superior. When they feel secure, he will destroy many and take his stand against the Prince of princes. (Christ then in heaven, but they went after his people )

and the first part of the verse is well spelled of the way he did in 70 AD

[terraricca]

Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 21 2013,10:56)

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 21 2013,13:42) Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 21 2013,08:24) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 21 2013,12:13) Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 21 2013,05:54) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 21 2013,01:57) wakeup Quote 6.Rome.(the two legs only). if this is true then the scriptures are wrong ;Da 2:40 Finally , there will be a fourth kingdom  , strong as iron—for iron breaks and smashes everything—and as iron breaks things to pieces, so it will crush and break all the others. if you do not include the feet and toes in the fourth then you create a fifth ;does scriptures says this Da 2:39 “After you, another kingdom will rise, inferior to yours. Next,a third kingdom , one of bronze, will rule over the whole earth. Terra. I had a flu for two wks. am better now.               QUOTE: if this is true then the scriptures are wrong ;Da 2:40 Finally , there will be a fourth kingdom  , strong as iron—for iron breaks and smashes everything—and as iron breaks things to pieces, so it will crush and break all the others. if you do not include the feet and toes in the fourth then you create a fifth ;does scriptures says this Da 2:39 “After you, another kingdom will rise, inferior to yours. Next,a third kingdom , one of bronze, will rule over the whole earth.            UNQUOTE: I THINK YOU HAVE MISUNDERSTOOD DAN2:39. IT SAYS; *AFTER YOU* **YOU = KING NEBUCHADNEZZAR.** THERE ARE ONLY THE GOLD; THE SILVER; THE BRASS; AND THE IRON KINGDOMS. NO OTHER METAL. THE SAME IRON/CLAY IS RULING NOW.*THE7TH* THE LAST IRON KINGDOM IS ALSO THE IRON/CLAY THE 10 TOES.(STILL IRON,STILL ROME).(THE 8TH). wakeup. wakeup no ,i did understand it right ,is Nabu not the golden head ? yes Da 2:40 Finally , there will be a fourth kingdom  , strong as iron—for iron breaks and smashes everything—and as iron breaks things to pieces, so it will crush and break all the others. SO;if you do not include the feet and toes in the fourth then you create a fifth ;does scriptures says this Hi Terra. How is there a fifth? When the feet and the toes is the same fourth kingdom;the iron? The fourth continued to the last kingdom which is the 8th with the 10 kings. Still the *iron* mixed with clay. Still the *Roman empire*. This means that the Roman empire(the fourth) was never conquered by any other kingdom. We are now still in the fourth empire. *The 7th counting from Egypt*;the *fourth counting from babylon*. The beast with the 7heads in revelation is counting from *Egypt*.Keep on asking if this is still not clear to you. wakeup. wakeup. wakeup I did not say that their was a fifth ,it is you if you make out of the toes another power; and as for Rome ; Da 8:22 The four horns that replaced the one that was broken off represent four kingdoms that will emerge from his nation but will not have the same power. Da 8:23 “In the latter part of their reign, when rebels have become completely wicked, a stern-faced king, a master of intrigue, will arise. Da 8:24 He will become very strong, but not by his own power. He will cause astounding devastation and will succeed in whatever he does. He will destroy the mighty men and the holy people. Da 8:25 He will cause deceit to prosper, and he will consider himself superior. When they feel secure, he will destroy many and take his stand against the Prince of princes. Yet he will be destroyed, but not by human power. verse 25 talks about Rome as well right Terra. Yes; one of the generals of alexander became great Rome. 1.General Ptolemy got Egypt. 2.General Seleucus got israel and babylon erea. 3.General Lesimacus got the northern part   mecedonia,bulgaria etc. 4. General Casander got greece. And greece became Rome, and rome took the lot. and became the two legs,asia Rome king constatine,and western Rome,itally,and conquered britain. Eastern Rome was conquered by the ottoman empire the Turks. Only western Rome is left, and at the greatest period was under ceasar Octavia. Then it became britain,and still is today. wakeup.

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that is all ok, but what I was talking about was that the legs and the feet and toes are Rome ,the fourth kingdom in the statue

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Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 22 2013,05:39)

Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 21 2013,10:56) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 21 2013,13:42) Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 21 2013,08:24) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 21 2013,12:13) Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 21 2013,05:54) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 21 2013,01:57) wakeup Quote 6.Rome.(the two legs only). if this is true then the scriptures are wrong ;Da 2:40 Finally , there will be a fourth kingdom  , strong as iron—for iron breaks and smashes everything—and as iron breaks things to pieces, so it will crush and break all the others. if you do not include the feet and toes in the fourth then you create a fifth ;does scriptures says this Da 2:39 “After you, another kingdom will rise, inferior to yours. Next,a third kingdom , one of bronze, will rule over the whole earth. Terra. I had a flu for two wks. am better now.               QUOTE: if this is true then the scriptures are wrong ;Da 2:40 Finally , there will be a fourth kingdom  , strong as iron—for iron breaks and smashes everything—and as iron breaks things to pieces, so it will crush and break all the others. if you do not include the feet and toes in the fourth then you create a fifth ;does scriptures says this Da 2:39 “After you, another kingdom will rise, inferior to yours. Next,a third kingdom , one of bronze, will rule over the whole earth.            UNQUOTE: I THINK YOU HAVE MISUNDERSTOOD DAN2:39. IT SAYS; *AFTER YOU* **YOU = KING NEBUCHADNEZZAR.** THERE ARE ONLY THE GOLD; THE SILVER; THE BRASS; AND THE IRON KINGDOMS. NO OTHER METAL. THE SAME IRON/CLAY IS RULING NOW.*THE7TH* THE LAST IRON KINGDOM IS ALSO THE IRON/CLAY THE 10 TOES.(STILL IRON,STILL ROME).(THE 8TH). wakeup. wakeup no ,i did understand it right ,is Nabu not the golden head ? yes Da 2:40 Finally , there will be a fourth kingdom  , strong as iron—for iron breaks and smashes everything—and as iron breaks things to pieces, so it will crush and break all the others. SO;if you do not include the feet and toes in the fourth then you create a fifth ;does scriptures says this Hi Terra. How is there a fifth? When the feet and the toes is the same fourth kingdom;the iron? The fourth continued to the last kingdom which is the 8th with the 10 kings. Still the *iron* mixed with clay. Still the *Roman empire*. This means that the Roman empire(the fourth) was never conquered by any other kingdom. We are now still in the fourth empire. *The 7th counting from Egypt*;the *fourth counting from babylon*. The beast with the 7heads in revelation is counting from *Egypt*.Keep on asking if this is still not clear to you. wakeup. wakeup. wakeup I did not say that their was a fifth ,it is you if you make out of the toes another power; and as for Rome ; Da 8:22 The four horns that replaced the one that was broken off represent four kingdoms that will emerge from his nation but will not have the same power. Da 8:23 “In the latter part of their reign, when rebels have become completely wicked, a stern-faced king, a master of intrigue, will arise. Da 8:24 He will become very strong, but not by his own power. He will cause astounding devastation and will succeed in whatever he does. He will destroy the mighty men and the holy people. Da 8:25 He will cause deceit to prosper, and he will consider himself superior. When they feel secure, he will destroy many and take his stand against the Prince of princes. Yet he will be destroyed, but not by human power. verse 25 talks about Rome as well right Terra. Yes; one of the generals of alexander became great Rome. 1.General Ptolemy got Egypt. 2.General Seleucus got israel and babylon erea. 3.General Lesimacus got the northern part   mecedonia,bulgaria etc. 4. General Casander got greece. And greece became Rome, and rome took the lot. and became the two legs,asia Rome king constatine,and western Rome,itally,and conquered britain. Eastern Rome was conquered by the ottoman empire the Turks. Only western Rome is left, and at the greatest period was under ceasar Octavia. Then it became britain,and still is today. wakeup. wakeup that is all ok, but what I was talking about was that the legs and the feet and toes are Rome ,the fourth kingdom in the statue

Terra.

Yes; that is correct.
The toes is still the fourth kingdom,which is Rome.
FOURTH KINGDOM FROM BABYLON ON.

**Is the 7th from Egypt on**.
The british empire is the continuation of the old Roman empire.
Of which we are in now.
the 8th with the 10 kings(toes)is coming,soon.
What a relieve.

wakeup.

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