What is the beast

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  • #353079
    Proclaimer
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    I know there are a number of compelling views out there as to what or who the Beast is. This video makes the best case so far regarding its particular view IMO.

    #353092
    Wakeup
    Participant

    1). The 7 headed beast that came out of the sea has 7heads and 10 horns.

    2). The 7 heads are 7mountains(not hills).(this is twisting words).
    *5 are fallen* and one is*(rome)* the other is not yet come.There are also 7 kings;*5 are fallen*;one is (rome).
    The 7th kingdom is here now;end time Rome. This beast would be the 7th head.(the british empire).

    3).This beast is the end time Roman empire(british).
    This beast will *morph* into the 8th(nwo).

    4). The 8th beast will only have a short life time(1hour).
    it will have 10 kings ruling in one accord,but will only have power for 3/half years.

    5.Another beast will come out of the *EARTH*.(born).
    he is a man;the son of satan,with all lying wonders.
    He will sit in the temple of God calling himself God.
    He will introduce his mark to the world.
    He is called the *false prophet* in rev19:20.not the antichrist.(this will cause confusion).

    6).He and his beast(his empire) will be cast in the lake of fire,at the coming.rev.19:20. *Only the two of them*.No antichrist.
    ***
    7). The woman is a believe system; she was riding on all the 7 heads; first head was Egypt; Thus,she can not be the vatican.

    8). She is satans woman; she is satans believe system,based on greed and selfishness,and oppressions,and wars.Her gifts to the world is preferred
    by the world.(the material things the world loves).

    She has caused all of the innocent dead through her wars and her murders for greed,and power.
    Satans believe system started from the beginning;not only later in years.

    9). The beast that *WAS*; was the kingdom of Nimrod called *BABEL*. That also was a one world government.
    She was not destroyed by God;but just scattered.
    Therefore *she was not* but *yet is* she is not dead.
    she is just in sleep mode.

    10).That same beast(the8th) will *not* come out of the sea,but out of the *bottomless pit*.(satans brain child). An idea that is now being ingineered; and is called the nwo.

    The vatican is just part of satans believe system.
    she also is full of greed;posing as a holy church,to deceive the many.

    We need to eat of that bread that came down from heaven;have that as our main diet.

    wakeup.

    #353129
    Ed J
    Participant

    Satan always try's to deflect the truth of GOD. Catholics are NOT Antichrist. Antichrist means
    BOTH “instead of” and “against”. Only islam is against and instead of Jesus Christ our Lord!

    Quote (t8 @ Aug. 03 2013,00:13)
    I know there are a number of compelling views out there as to what or who the Beast is. This video makes the best case so far regarding its particular view IMO.


    Hi T8,

    “And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads
     are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.”  (Rev 17:9)

                                         The city of Mecca   (Link)

    Mecca is a city in the South West part of the present Saudi Arabia, not far away from the Red sea.
    Centuries before the rise of Islam (see Revelation 13:1-3), Mecca was serving as the main religious, cultural and
    commercial center for all of the Arabic tribes. An amazing detail about the city is that it is surrounded by seven hills.

    Mecca is also the city which gave birth to Muhammad (the strongest antichrist ever to appear throughout the last 2000 years)
    and to his religion of Islam.
    It became the capital of the Islamic empire and the official residency of Allah. Therefore,
    and since then, Mecca gained the title of being called “almadina almukarrama” (the bountiful/honored city).

    Muslims' prayers are required to be directed toward the city and its shrine of “Ka'ba.” It is
    also their duty and one of their five pillars of faith to visit the city at least once in their lifetime. Non-
    Muslims are strictly forbidden to touch the (holy) soil of Mecca. If someone is caught, he will definitely be put to death.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #353132
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 03 2013,23:04)
    Satan always try's to deflect the truth of GOD. Catholics are NOT Antichrist. Antichrist means
    BOTH “instead of” and “against”. Only islam is against and instead of Jesus Christ our Lord!

    Quote (t8 @ Aug. 03 2013,00:13)
    I know there are a number of compelling views out there as to what or who the Beast is. This video makes the best case so far regarding its particular view IMO.


    Hi T8,

    “And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads
     are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.”  (Rev 17:9)

                                         The city of Mecca   (Link)

    Mecca is a city in the South West part of the present Saudi Arabia, not far away from the Red sea.
    Centuries before the rise of Islam (see Revelation 13:1-3), Mecca was serving as the main religious, cultural and
    commercial center for all of the Arabic tribes. An amazing detail about the city is that it is surrounded by seven hills.

    Mecca is also the city which gave birth to Muhammad (the strongest antichrist ever to appear throughout the last 2000 years)
    and to his religion of Islam.
    It became the capital of the Islamic empire and the official residency of Allah. Therefore,
    and since then, Mecca gained the title of being called “almadina almukarrama” (the bountiful/honored city).

    Muslims' prayers are required to be directed toward the city and its shrine of “Ka'ba.” It is
    also their duty and one of their five pillars of faith to visit the city at least once in their lifetime. Non-
    Muslims are strictly forbidden to touch the (holy) soil of Mecca. If someone is caught, he will definitely be put to death.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    EdJ.

    1.What was mecca before John?
    2.What was the arabs before John?
    3.The beast that *WAS*: was before John.
    4.*THEN HE IS NOT* IN EXISTANCE IN JOHNS TIME.
    5.He will come back again, and only have power for 3/half years.(1 hour). This would be the last end of 3/half years.

    Islam does not fit in by a mile.You are only causing damage by trying to force the square peg into the round hole.

    wakeup.

    #353135
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 03 2013,23:31)
    EdJ.

    1.What was mecca before John?
    2.What was the arabs before John?
    3.The beast that *WAS*:  was before John.
    4.*THEN HE IS NOT* IN EXISTANCE IN JOHNS TIME.
    5.He will come back again, and only have power for 3/half years.(1 hour). This would be the last end of 3/half years.

    (6)Islam does not fit in by a mile.(7)You are only causing damage by trying to force the square peg into the round hole.

    wakeup.


    Hi Wakeup,

    1. I don't know when Mecca was built.
    2. Persians
    3. “FIVE” were before John
    1. Egypt
    2. Assyria
    3. Babylon
    4. Medo-Persia
    5. Greek
    6. Roman (John's time)
    7. Ottoman 8. Muhammadan islam

    4. The beast was
    5. Who?
    6. Islam is #8. (see Rev.17)
    7. Damage to who?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #353156
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 03 2013,23:53)

    Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 03 2013,23:31)
    EdJ.

    1.What was mecca before John?
    2.What was the arabs before John?
    3.The beast that *WAS*:  was before John.
    4.*THEN HE IS NOT* IN EXISTANCE IN JOHNS TIME.
    5.He will come back again, and only have power for 3/half years.(1 hour). This would be the last end of 3/half years.

    (6)Islam does not fit in by a mile.(7)You are only causing damage by trying to force the square peg into the round hole.

    wakeup.


    Hi Wakeup,

    1. I don't know when Mecca was built.
    2. Persians
    3. “FIVE” were before John
        1. Egypt
        2. Assyria
        3. Babylon
        4. Medo-Persia
        5. Greek
        6. Roman             (John's time)
        7. Ottoman    8. Muhammadan islam

    4. The beast was
    5. Who?
    6. Islam is #8.  (see Rev.17)
    7. Damage to who?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    EdJ.

    PERSIANS ARE NOT ARABS,FOR YOUR INFORMATION.
    THE BEAST THAT WAS IS JUST **ONE BEAST**;NOT FIVE.
    5). THE BEAST THAT WAS WILL COME OUT OF THE BOTTOMLESS PIT.(HE WILL COME BACK AGAIN FOR 3/HALF YRS).
    *********
    You failed to mention:
    india china.russia.mongolia.japan.taiwan.the inuit indians.
    you name it. since you are all over the globe.
    *********
    You are doing damage to them seeking the truth.
    Also damage the picture.

    Can you proof that *islam* was before John?

    wakeup.

    #353161
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 04 2013,02:08)

    Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 03 2013,23:53)

    Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 03 2013,23:31)
    EdJ.

    You are only causing damage by trying to force the square peg into the round hole.

    wakeup.


    Hi Wakeup,

    Damage to who?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    EdJ.

    (1)You are doing damage to them seeking the truth.
    (2)Also damage the picture.

    wakeup.


    Hi Wakeup,

    1) How does telling someone the truth cause damage to them seeking the truth?
    2) You mean the picture of your private interpretation of Prophecy?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #353162
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 04 2013,02:08)

    Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 03 2013,23:53)

    Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 03 2013,23:31)
    EdJ.

    1.What was mecca before John?
    2.What was the arabs before John?
    3.The beast that *WAS*:  was before John.
    4.*THEN HE IS NOT* IN EXISTANCE IN JOHNS TIME.
    5.He will come back again, and only have power for 3/half years.(1 hour). This would be the last end of 3/half years.

    (6)Islam does not fit in by a mile.(7)You are only causing damage by trying to force the square peg into the round hole.

    wakeup.


    Hi Wakeup,

    1. I don't know when Mecca was built.
    2. Persians
    3. “FIVE” were before John
        1. Egypt
        2. Assyria
        3. Babylon
        4. Medo-Persia
        5. Greek
        6. Roman             (John's time)
        7. Ottoman    8. Muhammadan islam

    4. The beast was
    5. Who?
    6. Islam is #8.  (see Rev.17)
    7. Damage to who?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    EdJ.

    PERSIANS ARE NOT ARABS,FOR YOUR INFORMATION.
    THE BEAST THAT WAS IS JUST **ONE BEAST**;NOT FIVE.
    5). THE BEAST THAT WAS WILL COME OUT OF THE BOTTOMLESS PIT.(HE WILL COME BACK AGAIN FOR 3/HALF YRS).
                              *********
    You failed to mention:
    india china.russia.mongolia.japan.taiwan.the inuit indians.
    you name it. since you are all over the globe.
                              *********
    You are doing damage to them seeking the truth.
    Also damage the picture.

    Can you proof that *islam* was before John?

    wakeup.


    Hi Wakeup,

    You really need to pay attention to what others actually say,
    and get your focus off your private interpretation of Prophecy.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #353232
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 04 2013,03:03)

    Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 04 2013,02:08)

    Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 03 2013,23:53)

    Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 03 2013,23:31)
    EdJ.

    1.What was mecca before John?
    2.What was the arabs before John?
    3.The beast that *WAS*:  was before John.
    4.*THEN HE IS NOT* IN EXISTANCE IN JOHNS TIME.
    5.He will come back again, and only have power for 3/half years.(1 hour). This would be the last end of 3/half years.

    (6)Islam does not fit in by a mile.(7)You are only causing damage by trying to force the square peg into the round hole.

    wakeup.


    Hi Wakeup,

    1. I don't know when Mecca was built.
    2. Persians
    3. “FIVE” were before John
        1. Egypt
        2. Assyria
        3. Babylon
        4. Medo-Persia
        5. Greek
        6. Roman             (John's time)
        7. Ottoman    8. Muhammadan islam

    4. The beast was
    5. Who?
    6. Islam is #8.  (see Rev.17)
    7. Damage to who?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    EdJ.

    PERSIANS ARE NOT ARABS,FOR YOUR INFORMATION.
    THE BEAST THAT WAS IS JUST **ONE BEAST**;NOT FIVE.
    5). THE BEAST THAT WAS WILL COME OUT OF THE BOTTOMLESS PIT.(HE WILL COME BACK AGAIN FOR 3/HALF YRS).
                              *********
    You failed to mention:
    india china.russia.mongolia.japan.taiwan.the inuit indians.
    you name it. since you are all over the globe.
                              *********
    You are doing damage to them seeking the truth.
    Also damage the picture.

    Can you proof that *islam* was before John?

    wakeup.


    Hi Wakeup,

    You really need to pay attention to what others actually say,
    and get your focus off your private interpretation of Prophecy.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    Edj.

    You and others can not still proof me wrong using the scriptures.
    I am still waiting for that moment.

    wakeup.

    #353245
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 04 2013,11:04)
    Edj.

    You and others can not still proof me wrong using the scriptures.
    I am still waiting for that moment.

    wakeup.


    Hi Wakeup,

    No you're not, your ears are shut to all the evidence I have produced already

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #353276
    journey42
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 04 2013,12:48)

    Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 04 2013,11:04)
    Edj.

    You and others can not still proof me wrong using the scriptures.
    I am still waiting for that moment.

    wakeup.


    Hi Wakeup,

    No you're not, your ears are shut to all the evidence I have produced already

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    Ed

    As Wakeup pointed out, Islam was not before John.
    Why is this hard to accept?

    Can you accept it?

    #353287
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 04 2013,12:48)

    Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 04 2013,11:04)
    Edj.

    You and others can not still proof me wrong using the scriptures.
    I am still waiting for that moment.

    wakeup.


    Hi Wakeup,

    No you're not, your ears are shut to all the evidence I have produced already

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    EDJ.

    Your evidence is full of holes;it does not hold any water.
    Just like your picture;it is damaged badly because of the forcing of square pegs into round holes.

    Islam was before John; this is so absurd.

    Sorry brother; the mire has gone too deep to get out of.

    wakeup.

    #353311
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (journey42 @ Aug. 04 2013,15:59)

    Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 04 2013,12:48)

    Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 04 2013,11:04)
    Edj.

    You and others can not still proof me wrong using the scriptures.
    I am still waiting for that moment.

    wakeup.


    Hi Wakeup,

    No you're not, your ears are shut to all the evidence I have produced already

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    Ed

    As Wakeup pointed out, Islam was not before John.
    Why is this hard to accept?

    Can you accept it?


    Hi Journey42,

    What are you talking about? of course islam wasn't
    before John, what made you think that I thought it was?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #353312
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 04 2013,16:53)
    EDJ.

    Islam was before John; this is so absurd.

    wakeup.


    Why do guys keep saying things that I have never said, and
    attribute them to me as if I had said what you are proclaiming?

    #353322
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 04 2013,21:55)

    Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 04 2013,16:53)
    EDJ.

    Islam was before John; this is so absurd.

    wakeup.


    Why do guys keep saying things that I have never said, and
    attribute them to me as if I had said what you are proclaiming?


    EdJ.

    **YOUR OWN WORDS**:
    QUOTE:
    4. The beast was
    5. Who?
    6. Islam is #8. (see Rev.17)****
    7. Damage to who? UNQUOTE:

    6).YOU SAID THAT ISLAM IS THE 8TH BEAST.
    THAT ONLY MEANS THAT **ISLAM** IS THE BEAST
    THAT **WAS**BEFORE JOHN.
    BECAUSE THE BEAST THAT *WAS* IS THE 8TH.

    **YOU ARE TRYING TO PASS THE BUCK**.
    NAUGHTY BOY.

    wakeup.

    #353335
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Wakeup,

    Because you do not understand you blame me for being wrong.  ???

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #353396
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 05 2013,00:55)

    Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 04 2013,16:53)
    EDJ.

    Islam was before John; this is so absurd.

    wakeup.


    Why do guys keep saying things that I have never said, and
    attribute them to me as if I had said what you are proclaiming?


    There is a term for that.
    Bearing false witness.

    Not saying that is what they did. I haven't read all of this topic.

    #353413
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 05 2013,03:12)
    Hi Wakeup,

    Because you do not understand you blame me for being wrong.  ???

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    EdJ.

    Is the beast that *WAS* Islam? Y/N?

    wakeup.

    #353480
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (t8 @ Aug. 05 2013,13:20)

    Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 05 2013,00:55)

    Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 04 2013,16:53)
    EDJ.

    Islam was before John; this is so absurd.

    wakeup.


    Why do guys keep saying things that I have never said, and
    attribute them to me as if I had said what you are proclaiming?


    There is a term for that.
    Bearing false witness.

    Not saying that is what they did. I haven't read all of this topic.


    Hi T8,

    I know how this kind of thing happens, and I have seen this pattern again and again.
    The problem stems from when people consider their understanding as a fixed immovable position.

    Then since the other person (other than them) has to be 'wrong', they then misunderstand what someone has said,
    and attempt to make that which was said 'wrong' as well. This can also be seen how they view the big picture,
    they cannot understand how truth can be the core of another person's view, because they consider it
    to be opposing to Scripture rather than what it actually is, which is a different view than theirs.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #353484
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 05 2013,18:18)

    Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 05 2013,03:12)
    Hi Wakeup,

    Because you do not understand you blame me for being wrong.  ???

    God bless
    Ed J


    EdJ.

    Is the beast that *WAS* Islam? Y/N?

    wakeup.


    Hi Wakeup,

    The beast of Rev.13:1-3 is called a beast because it is a beast of world conquest.

    It has seven heads which are:
    1. Egypt
    2. Assyria
    3. Babylon
    4. Medo-Persia
    5. Greek
    6. Roman             (<–John's time)
    7. Ottoman       8. Muhammadan islam

    So the beast was, but islam wasn't.
    I hope YOU understand this time around.
    Islam(8th) is all about world conquest, Wakeup.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

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