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Quote (ftk @ Jan. 29 2012,03:43) Ed: Wow! The only one between the two of us that is possibly “resisting the faith” is not me! I'm the one who says its “faith only” that makes us perfect. I'm the one who says there is no “good work'' or “good deed'' that a man can do of himself, that can add anything to his salvation or take anything away. Salvation is by faith alone. Righteousness is by faith alone. Granted that “faith” in Christ is “dead” or is laying dormant until one works the works of God with his faith. Those are healing power works through man by God! I truly believe religion has missed (or been deceived) by who and what the “devil” is and is doing. God is everywhere! Can we agree? God is the truth! Can we agree? So, the truth is…absolute, like God,….no opposite….all there is! Truth is eternal….lies are temporal. All lies will be burned up by the spirit/truth.
Jesus came to lead mankind back to the truth of God. Did Jesus give us the truth? The truth is ''life''… That is the “way” to God! All doctrine that aligns with God is pure ''life''!
The devil or a devil or Satan et.al…..is an adversary to the truth. He is not the truth he is lies about the truth. Satan takes the truth/words of God and distorts them unto destruction instead of love and peace. This is the work of death. Death is anti-life! A death doctrine leads to death, dying, pain, suffering, sickness, disease, etc.!…..THESE THINGS ARE ANTI-TRUTH…! We have created and built great doctrines about times and seasons and names and gods and rituals…..but the Truth of God came in Christ Jesus with signs to prove. Anything anti-Jesus or anti-Christ is anti-Life or anti-Good! All knowledge of the truth or deception of the truth.
Truth is the tree of life. Truth has no death or dying in it. Any doctrines/knowledge heard that espouse evil or death or sickness or disease all of which is premature death, they are deceptions of the truth…..IF WE BUY…WE DIE!….A Devil is wrong thinking. Wrong thinking cometh to kill, steal and destroy the truth/words of God for man. Thinking apart from life or any doctrine that contains death is sin. That is errant thinking. Not of the truth.
There is no works war of “do this'' ''don't do that''! Live your life to experience life the fullest. Do anything you wish…for yourself…do not infringe upon another's rights of life. In this is perfect freedom of choice……FROM A CLEAN MIND, PURIFIED BY GOD, AND A HEART FULL OF LOVE AND THANKSGIVING COMES PURE, PERFECT LIVING…..SELF DESTRUCTION COMES FROM EVIL THINKING…..THINKING ONE IS EVIL….!! IMO, TK
tk1Jn 3:7 Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. He who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous.
1Jn 3:8 He who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil’s work.
1Jn 3:9 No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God.
1Jn 3:10 This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not a child of God; nor is anyone who does not love his brother.if the devil as works so as the righteous ,working in Gods field ,and stop sinning,this stop sinning thing does not come over night ,because not all are born in a good dedicated christian family and totally subdue to Gods law ,so this is a progressive change in US and so reflect on the outside of us,but certain sins should be eliminated instantly like killing,stealing ,abuses,any,those will prevent anyone to come to God,
this is as per the scriptures ,
Pierre
Pierre: There is a difference to me of reading scriptures only or reading and understanding combined. Everything I have learned in from the scriptures its just different understanding that separates us. I am not trying to be contentious I searching for the truth. I don't want to be ever learning but never able to come to the truth…..With all things, get understanding….!
1Jn 3:7 Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. He who [does what is right is righteous]….[RIGHTEOUSNESS IS ONLY ACQUIRED FROM GOD,( BY FAITH ), NOT BY ''DOING'' SOMETHING….], just as he is righteous.
1Jn 3:8 He who [does]….AGAIN NOT ''DOING'' OR ''NOT DOING'' SOMETHING IS NOT SIN….[ANYTHING APART FROM FAITH IS SIN]…. (what is sinful) is of the devil,…. because the devil has been sinning from the beginning.[…THE DEVIL IS A LIAR AGAINST THE TRUTH….THE DEVIL IS A DECEIVER AGAINST THE TRUTH…..THE DEVIL DOESN'T ''DO'' OR ''NOT DO'' ACTIONS…..YOU MAY SAY THE DEVIL TRYS TO MAKE YOU DO ''STUFF'' BUT THAT'S TRUE…. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy {the devil’s work.}…[THE DEVILS WORK IS TO MISGUIDE AND DISTORT THE TRUTH OF GOD FROM PURE LIFE TO DESTRUCTION UNTO DEATH!!….]
1Jn 3:9 No one who is born of God will continue to…[BELIEVE IN]…. sin, because God’s seed….[WORDS OF TRUTH]… remains in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of…[THE TRUTH]… God.1Jn 3:10 This is how we know who the children of God are and who the ….{children of the devil}… are: Anyone who does not [do] what is right….[BELIEVE IN GODS PERFECTION BY FAITH]… is not a child of God; nor is anyone who does not love his brother.
You said(….if the devil as works so as the righteous ,working in Gods field ,and stop sinning,this stop sinning thing does not come over night ,because not all are born in a good dedicated christian family and totally subdue to Gods law ,so this is a progressive change in US and so reflect on the outside of us,but certain sins should be eliminated instantly like killing,stealing ,abuses,any,those will prevent anyone to come to God,…..)….[THIS PARAGRAPH IS TOTALLY WORKING A PERSONS PERFECTION OR SALVATION UNTO GOD….DO THIS STOP THAT WORK, TOIL, TRY, STOP DOING START DOING….CLEANSING BY MANS EFFORTS AND WORKS AND DEEDS OVER A LONG PERIOD OF TIME IN WHICH YOU WILL FIND THAT MAN NEVER BELIEVES HE IS PERFECT!!…..GOD CANNOT DWELL IN IMPERFECTION! SO THAT MAN WILL ALWAYS BELIEVE HE IS JUST SHORT OF UNION WITH GOD……THAT'S WHEN DECEPTION/DEVILS WIN!!….
this is as per the scriptures ,……[I DISAGREE! WE HAVE BEEN MADE WHAT WE ARE BY GOD THROUGH JESUS/CHRIST!!….WE CANNOT DO A THING TO GET IT OR NOT HAVE IT, IT IS WHAT HAS BEEN DONE UNTO MANKIND!!….IF YOU BELIEVE IT, YOU LIVE IN GOD….IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE IT, YOU LIVE APART FROM GOD!!…ITS ALL BEEN DONE IN THE TOTAL SALVATION PACKAGE GIVEN TO US BY JESUS…FINISHED AND READY…..JUST BELIEVE….PURIFYING YOUR FAITH THROUGH UNDERSTANDING OF SCRIPTURES….IMO, TK
Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 29 2012,08:04) tk 1Jn 3:7 Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. He who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous.
1Jn 3:8 He who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil’s work.
1Jn 3:9 No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God.
1Jn 3:10 This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not a child of God; nor is anyone who does not love his brother.if the devil as works so as the righteous ,working in Gods field ,and stop sinning,this stop sinning thing does not come over night ,because not all are born in a good dedicated christian family and totally subdue to Gods law ,so this is a progressive change in US and so reflect on the outside of us,but certain sins should be eliminated instantly like killing,stealing ,abuses,any,those will prevent anyone to come to God,
this is as per the scriptures ,
Pierre
Hi Pierre,Excellent post, I totally agree!
Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
holycitybiblecode.orgHi Tim,
No Christian believes in sin? …what do YOU mean by 'believe in sin'?
Perhaps this is why YOU have trouble expressing your truth to others,
because you use phrases that we as Christians cannot put meaning to!God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgtk
Quote ..GOD CANNOT DWELL IN IMPERFECTION! SO THAT MAN WILL ALWAYS BELIEVE HE IS JUST SHORT OF UNION WITH GOD……THAT'S WHEN DECEPTION/DEVILS WIN!!….
PS 79:9 Help us, O God of our salvation, for the glory of Your name;
And deliver us and forgive our sins for Your name’s sake.
PS 103:10 He has not dealt with us according to our sins,
Nor rewarded us according to our iniquities.
ISA 59:12 For our transgressions are multiplied before You,
And our sins testify against us;
For our transgressions are with us,
And we know our iniquities:
EZE 33:10 “Now as for you, son of man, say to the house of Israel, ‘Thus you have spoken, saying, “Surely our transgressions and our sins are upon us, and we are rotting away in them; how then can we survive?”’LK 11:4 ‘And forgive us our sins,
For we ourselves also forgive everyone who is indebted to us.
And lead us not into temptation.’ ”1CO 15:3 For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures,
GAL 1:4 who gave Himself for our sins so that He might rescue us from this present evil age, according to the will of our God and Father,1JN 1:9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1JN 2:2 and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.You see Tim our forgiveness is conditional to our true repentance and sincere believe that God can save us through Christ sacrifice,THE WORKS OR DEED WE DO ARE TO SHOW THAT OUR REPENTANCE IS REAL AND TRUE BUT THAT IS NOT WHAT SAVE US ,IT IS ONLY THE DEMONSTRATION OF OUR TRUE AND DEEP CHANGE THAT AS OCCUR IN OUR HEART,AND SO THOSE ARE THE PRODUCT OF OUR FAITH IN GOD AND HIS SON ,
Quote this is as per the scriptures ,……[I DISAGREE! WE HAVE BEEN MADE WHAT WE ARE BY GOD THROUGH JESUS/CHRIST!!….WE CANNOT DO A THING TO GET IT OR NOT HAVE IT, IT IS WHAT HAS BEEN DONE UNTO MANKIND!!….IF YOU BELIEVE IT, YOU LIVE IN GOD….IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE IT, YOU LIVE APART FROM GOD!!…ITS ALL BEEN DONE IN THE TOTAL SALVATION PACKAGE GIVEN TO US BY JESUS…FINISHED AND READY…..JUST BELIEVE….PURIFYING YOUR FAITH THROUGH UNDERSTANDING OF SCRIPTURES….IMO, TK you disagree this is according to TIM,K not to scriptures, because you do not provide any ;
Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 30 2012,02:55) You see Tim our forgiveness is conditional to our true repentance and sincere believe that God can save us through Christ sacrifice,THE WORKS OR DEED WE DO ARE TO SHOW THAT OUR REPENTANCE IS REAL AND TRUE BUT THAT IS NOT WHAT SAVE US ,IT IS ONLY THE DEMONSTRATION OF OUR TRUE AND DEEP CHANGE THAT AS OCCUR IN OUR HEART,AND SO THOSE ARE THE PRODUCT OF OUR FAITH IN GOD AND HIS SON ,
Hi Pierre,Tim seems to keep missing this point. Or
he chooses to believe it is otherwise with us. …which is it TIM?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Jan. 30 2012,11:02) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 30 2012,02:55) You see Tim our forgiveness is conditional to our true repentance and sincere believe that God can save us through Christ sacrifice,THE WORKS OR DEED WE DO ARE TO SHOW THAT OUR REPENTANCE IS REAL AND TRUE BUT THAT IS NOT WHAT SAVE US ,IT IS ONLY THE DEMONSTRATION OF OUR TRUE AND DEEP CHANGE THAT AS OCCUR IN OUR HEART,AND SO THOSE ARE THE PRODUCT OF OUR FAITH IN GOD AND HIS SON ,
Hi Pierre,Tim seems to keep missing this point. Or
he chooses to believe it is otherwise with us. …which is it TIM?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edjI have told this many times ,with no results
Pierre
Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 30 2012,07:07) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 29 2012,08:04) tk 1Jn 3:7 Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. He who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous.
1Jn 3:8 He who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil’s work.
1Jn 3:9 No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God.
1Jn 3:10 This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not a child of God; nor is anyone who does not love his brother.if the devil as works so as the righteous ,working in Gods field ,and stop sinning,this stop sinning thing does not come over night ,because not all are born in a good dedicated christian family and totally subdue to Gods law ,so this is a progressive change in US and so reflect on the outside of us,but certain sins should be eliminated instantly like killing,stealing ,abuses,any,those will prevent anyone to come to God,
this is as per the scriptures ,
Pierre
Hi Pierre,Excellent post, I totally agree!
Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
holycitybiblecode.org
Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 30 2012,10:02) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 30 2012,11:02) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 30 2012,02:55) You see Tim our forgiveness is conditional to our true repentance and sincere believe that God can save us through Christ sacrifice,THE WORKS OR DEED WE DO ARE TO SHOW THAT OUR REPENTANCE IS REAL AND TRUE BUT THAT IS NOT WHAT SAVE US ,IT IS ONLY THE DEMONSTRATION OF OUR TRUE AND DEEP CHANGE THAT AS OCCUR IN OUR HEART,AND SO THOSE ARE THE PRODUCT OF OUR FAITH IN GOD AND HIS SON ,
Hi Pierre,Tim seems to keep missing this point. Or
he chooses to believe it is otherwise with us. …which is it TIM?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edjI have told this many times ,with no results
Pierre
Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 30 2012,10:04) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 30 2012,07:07) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 29 2012,08:04) tk 1Jn 3:7 Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. He who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous.
1Jn 3:8 He who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil’s work.
1Jn 3:9 No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God.
1Jn 3:10 This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not a child of God; nor is anyone who does not love his brother.if the devil as works so as the righteous ,working in Gods field ,and stop sinning,this stop sinning thing does not come over night ,because not all are born in a good dedicated christian family and totally subdue to Gods law ,so this is a progressive change in US and so reflect on the outside of us,but certain sins should be eliminated instantly like killing,stealing ,abuses,any,those will prevent anyone to come to God,
this is as per the scriptures ,
Pierre
Hi Pierre,Excellent post, I totally agree!
Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
holycitybiblecode.org
Hi Pierre and especially TIM,Both the atheist and Tim alike have fallen for this lie…
A man doesn’t get to decide whether or not he is a a sinner, any more than a
speaker can declare his own words to be truthful. They either are or they aren't.The bible teaches that all sinners declare themselves innocent, but then they
are found to be sinners by others. The record of a person’s actions speaks volumes
of their “Righteousness” or lack thereof (1John 3:10). It’s how others view you over time
that matters, not how a person declares themselves without “sin” or “fault” in their own thinking.A progression away from the old sinful nature (see Colossians 3:4-10):
1John has a progression away from sin. Starting at 1John 1:8:
“If we say we have no sin we deceive ourselves”…
Sinners practice sin!Progressing to 1John 3:9: “Whoever is born of God does not commit sin; For his seed
remainith in him: and he cannot sin (AS A USUAL PRACTICE), because he is borne of God.”
Practice of sin diminishes!Finishing in 1John 5:18: “We know that whosoever is borne of God SINNETH NOT;
But he that is begotten of God keepeth (GUARDS) himself,
and that wicked one (Satan) toucheth him not.
All sinning STOPS; fulfilling Matt. 5:44! (Eph.4:13)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.comQuote (Ed J @ Jan. 30 2012,17:29) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 30 2012,10:04) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 30 2012,07:07) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 29 2012,08:04) tk 1Jn 3:7 Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. He who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous.
1Jn 3:8 He who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil’s work.
1Jn 3:9 No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God.
1Jn 3:10 This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not a child of God; nor is anyone who does not love his brother.if the devil as works so as the righteous ,working in Gods field ,and stop sinning,this stop sinning thing does not come over night ,because not all are born in a good dedicated christian family and totally subdue to Gods law ,so this is a progressive change in US and so reflect on the outside of us,but certain sins should be eliminated instantly like killing,stealing ,abuses,any,those will prevent anyone to come to God,
this is as per the scriptures ,
Pierre
Hi Pierre,Excellent post, I totally agree!
Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
holycitybiblecode.org
Hi Pierre and especially TIM,Both the atheist and Tim alike have fallen for this lie…
A man doesn’t get to decide whether or not he is a a sinner, any more than a
speaker can declare his own words to be truthful. They either are or they aren't.The bible teaches that all sinners declare themselves innocent, but then they
are found to be sinners by others. The record of a person’s actions speaks volumes
of their “Righteousness” or lack thereof (1John 3:10). It’s how others view you over time
that matters, not how a person declares themselves without “sin” or “fault” in their own thinking.A progression away from the old sinful nature (see Colossians 3:4-10):
1John has a progression away from sin. Starting at 1John 1:8:
“If we say we have no sin we deceive ourselves”…
Sinners practice sin!Progressing to 1John 3:9: “Whoever is born of God does not commit sin; For his seed
remainith in him: and he cannot sin (AS A USUAL PRACTICE), because he is borne of God.”
Practice of sin diminishes!Finishing in 1John 5:18: “We know that whosoever is borne of God SINNETH NOT;
But he that is begotten of God keepeth (GUARDS) himself,
and that wicked one (Satan) toucheth him not.
All sinning STOPS; fulfilling Matt. 5:44! (Eph.4:13)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.com
edjyes to all ,just to add;
Jas 1:12 Blessed is the man who perseveres under trial, because when he has stood the test, he will receive the crown of life that God has promised to those who love him.
Jas 1:14 but each one is tempted when, by his own evil desire, he is dragged away and enticed.
Jas 1:15 Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death.
Jas 1:16 Don’t be deceived, my dear brothers.Pierre
Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 30 2012,07:57) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 30 2012,17:29) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 30 2012,10:04) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 30 2012,07:07) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 29 2012,08:04) tk 1Jn 3:7 Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. He who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous.
1Jn 3:8 He who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil’s work.
1Jn 3:9 No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God.
1Jn 3:10 This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not a child of God; nor is anyone who does not love his brother.if the devil as works so as the righteous ,working in Gods field ,and stop sinning,this stop sinning thing does not come over night ,because not all are born in a good dedicated christian family and totally subdue to Gods law ,so this is a progressive change in US and so reflect on the outside of us,but certain sins should be eliminated instantly like killing,stealing ,abuses,any,those will prevent anyone to come to God,
this is as per the scriptures ,
Pierre
Hi Pierre,Excellent post, I totally agree!
Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
holycitybiblecode.org
Hi Pierre and especially TIM,Both the atheist and Tim alike have fallen for this lie…
A man doesn’t get to decide whether or not he is a a sinner, any more than a
speaker can declare his own words to be truthful. They either are or they aren't.The bible teaches that all sinners declare themselves innocent, but then they
are found to be sinners by others. The record of a person’s actions speaks volumes
of their “Righteousness” or lack thereof (1John 3:10). It’s how others view you over time
that matters, not how a person declares themselves without “sin” or “fault” in their own thinking.A progression away from the old sinful nature (see Colossians 3:4-10):
1John has a progression away from sin. Starting at 1John 1:8:
“If we say we have no sin we deceive ourselves”…
Sinners practice sin!Progressing to 1John 3:9: “Whoever is born of God does not commit sin; For his seed
remainith in him: and he cannot sin (AS A USUAL PRACTICE), because he is borne of God.”
Practice of sin diminishes!Finishing in 1John 5:18: “We know that whosoever is borne of God SINNETH NOT;
But he that is begotten of God keepeth (GUARDS) himself,
and that wicked one (Satan) toucheth him not.
All sinning STOPS; fulfilling Matt. 5:44! (Eph.4:13)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.com
edjyes to all ,just to add;
Jas 1:12 Blessed is the man who perseveres under trial, because when he has stood the test, he will receive the crown of life that God has promised to those who love him.
Jas 1:14 but each one is tempted when, by his own evil desire, he is dragged away and enticed.
Jas 1:15 Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death.
Jas 1:16 Don’t be deceived, my dear brothers.Pierre
To Ed J and Pierre,Sounds like a productive conversation. I will ad that it is God that will do it. He will operate through your confidence that he will and can do as he promised for you.
Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 30 2012,20:08) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 30 2012,07:57) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 30 2012,17:29) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 30 2012,10:04) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 30 2012,07:07) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 29 2012,08:04) tk 1Jn 3:7 Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. He who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous.
1Jn 3:8 He who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil’s work.
1Jn 3:9 No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God.
1Jn 3:10 This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not a child of God; nor is anyone who does not love his brother.if the devil as works so as the righteous ,working in Gods field ,and stop sinning,this stop sinning thing does not come over night ,because not all are born in a good dedicated christian family and totally subdue to Gods law ,so this is a progressive change in US and so reflect on the outside of us,but certain sins should be eliminated instantly like killing,stealing ,abuses,any,those will prevent anyone to come to God,
this is as per the scriptures ,
Pierre
Hi Pierre,Excellent post, I totally agree!
Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
holycitybiblecode.org
Hi Pierre and especially TIM,Both the atheist and Tim alike have fallen for this lie…
A man doesn’t get to decide whether or not he is a a sinner, any more than a
speaker can declare his own words to be truthful. They either are or they aren't.The bible teaches that all sinners declare themselves innocent, but then they
are found to be sinners by others. The record of a person’s actions speaks volumes
of their “Righteousness” or lack thereof (1John 3:10). It’s how others view you over time
that matters, not how a person declares themselves without “sin” or “fault” in their own thinking.A progression away from the old sinful nature (see Colossians 3:4-10):
1John has a progression away from sin. Starting at 1John 1:8:
“If we say we have no sin we deceive ourselves”…
Sinners practice sin!Progressing to 1John 3:9: “Whoever is born of God does not commit sin; For his seed
remainith in him: and he cannot sin (AS A USUAL PRACTICE), because he is borne of God.”
Practice of sin diminishes!Finishing in 1John 5:18: “We know that whosoever is borne of God SINNETH NOT;
But he that is begotten of God keepeth (GUARDS) himself,
and that wicked one (Satan) toucheth him not.
All sinning STOPS; fulfilling Matt. 5:44! (Eph.4:13)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.com
edjyes to all ,just to add;
Jas 1:12 Blessed is the man who perseveres under trial, because when he has stood the test, he will receive the crown of life that God has promised to those who love him.
Jas 1:14 but each one is tempted when, by his own evil desire, he is dragged away and enticed.
Jas 1:15 Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death.
Jas 1:16 Don’t be deceived, my dear brothers.Pierre
To Ed J and Pierre,Sounds like a productive conversation. I will ad that it is God that will do it. He will operate through your confidence that he will and can do as he promised for you.
Kerwinsins you add that comment I say yes you right,
see ;the scriptures are from God right so all your info comes from God and so it is not your ,
now if you put to practice the word and its wisdom you are making Gods words come to live ,right but they are not your words right ,
now wen you practice the words of God the angels can see what you doing they can listen to what you say and this would make them know that you are one with them in the same service,right
because of it they can help us and protect us where we cannot,
this is what I talking about ;
Mt 6:13 And lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from the evil one.in this we are totally depending on God.
Pierre
Ed or Pierre: If either one of you care to really know the truth you will find that even Jesus himself cannot forgive Ed if he trespasses against Pierre! God cannot forgive Pierre if he trespasses against Ed! The only forgiveness you can receive is if you forgive. FORGIVE….AND THEN YOU WILL BE FORGIVEN….FORGIVE US OUR TRESPASSES….AS OR WHILE…WE FORGIVE THEM THAT TRESPASS AGAINST US.
You have accused this:
Both the atheist and Tim alike have fallen for this lie…[NOW WE PLACE LABELS ON PEOPLE…IS THAT YOUR RIGHT TO DO?]
A man doesn’t get to decide whether or not he is a a sinner, any more than a
speaker can declare his own words to be truthful. They either are or they aren't…..[ANOTHER RELIGIOUS UNTRUTH!….GOD HAS DONE A WORK THROUGH JESUS FOR MANKIND….THERE IS NO DECISION TO MAKE OF THE TRUTH SPOKEN…..YOU EITHER BELIEVE THE WORK HE DID….OR YOU DISBELIEVE WHAT HE HAS DONE…..IF YOU BELIEVE WHAT {HE, GOD} HAS DONE…THEN YOU HAVE NO SIN…..IF YOU DISBELIEVE WHAT GOD HAS DONE {FOR} YOU…..THEN YOU REMAIN IN SIN!!]The bible teaches that all sinners declare themselves innocent,…..[MORE LIES…UNLESS A RELIGIOUS BIGOT TELLS THEM THEY ARE IN SIN THEY WOULD NOT KNOW WHAT SIN IS….MUCH LESS THAT THEY WERE IN IT….]….JOHN 15:23….JESUS SAID, IF I HAD NOT COME AND SPOKEN UNTO THEM, THEY HAD NOT SIN…NOW THEY HAVE NO COVERING FOR THEIR ERROR/SIN.]
but then they are found to be sinners by others. (The record of a person’s actions speaks volumes)[THE GREATEST LIE YOU HAVE TOLD YET] WE LIVE (NOT) BY SIGHT BUT BY FAITH!….THE ENTIRE REASON THAT PAUL SAID…RIGHTEOUS IS BY FAITH, NOT WORKS OR ACTIONS IS SO A MAN CAN'T…..BOAST HIS OWN, EARNED, RIGHTEOUSNESS BY WORKS AND ACTIONS! THAT IS TOTAL LIES! IF ONE COULD BE RIGHTEOUS BY ACTIONS THEN JESUS NEED NOT COME AND DIE!!….IF ACTIONS BOUGHT RIGHTEOUSNESS FOR MAN UNTO GOD THEIR WOULD HAVE BEEN NO REASON FOR FAITH…THE NEW COVENANT….A NEW MAN BUILT BY GOD!
of their “Righteousness” or lack thereof (1John 3:10). It’s (how others view you) over time…[ANOTHER LIE…YOU ARE SAYING IT IS JUDGMENT FROM OTHERS THAT DECLARES YOU RIGHTEOUS OR UNCLEAN…..]
that matters, not how a person declares themselves without “sin” or “fault” in their own thinking.[A VERY DECEIVING RELIGIOUS LIE]FOR THE RECORD ONCE AGAIN I HAVE NEVER, EVER DECLARED MYSELF TO RIGHTEOUS DUE TO MERITS I HAVE EARNED…LIKE YOU DO.
I LOVE GODS WORDS. I AM WHAT GOD MAKES ME TO BE THROUGH HIS WORDS TO JESUS. GOD IS THE TRUTH OF WHATEVER MANKIND IS. ALL WHO DENY WHATEVER GOD SAYS THEY ARE IS LOST IN ERROR/SIN/WRONG THINKING. YOU ARE DECLARING A SELF-CREATED MAN RATED BY THOSE AROUND HIM AS EITHER GOOD OR BAD. THIS HAS NO RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD/JESUS AT ALL…!!!
YOU ALL GO AHEAD AND ''WORK'' OUT YOUR SALVATION WITH “ACTIONS AND DEEDS” BUT LEAVE OTHERS FOR THE TRUTH FROM GOD! TK
A progression away from the old sinful nature (see Colossians 3:4-10):
1John has a progression away from sin. Starting at 1John 1:8:
“If we say we have no sin we deceive ourselves”…
Sinners practice sin!Progressing to 1John 3:9: “Whoever is born of God does not commit sin; For his seed
remainith in him: and he cannot sin (AS A USUAL PRACTICE), because he is borne of God.”
Practice of sin diminishes!Finishing in 1John 5:18: “We know that whosoever is borne of God SINNETH NOT;
But he that is begotten of God keepeth (GUARDS) himself,
and that wicked one (Satan) toucheth him not.
All sinning STOPS; fulfilling Matt. 5:44! (Eph.4:13)OOPS, I missed a section….I'll continue..
A progression away from the old sinful nature (see Colossians 3:4-10):…..[ALL WHO ARE IN CHRIST JESUS HAVE THE NATURE OF GOD THEIR FATHER]….
1John has a progression away from sin. Starting at 1John 1:8:…[1JOHN 1:7….IF WE WALK IN LIGHT OR THE TRUTH…THE BLOOD OF JESUS CHRIST, CLEANSETH US FROM {ALL} SIN……v8..IF WE SAY (WE DIDN'T HAVE SIN BEFORE THE LIGHT) WE DECEIVE OURSELVES….NOW THE CAPER…..v9..IF WE CONFESS(ACKNOWLEDGE) OUR SIN, HE IS….. FAITHFUL AND JUST TO FORGIVE US OUR SIN,( AND) TO….CLEANSE US FROM ALL UNRIGHTEOUSNESS….!! FORGIVEN…CLEANSES…RIGHTEOUS…ALL BY FAITH!
“If we say we have no sin we deceive ourselves”…[ NOT AFTER V9….YOU ARE CLEANSED AND FORGIVEN AT V9…]
Sinners practice sin!Progressing to 1John 3:9: “Whoever is born(created) of God(spirit/words) does not commit sin; For his seed(spirit/words of God)
remainith in him: and he cannot sin (AS A USUAL PRACTICE), because he is borne of God/WORDS!…..”[BECAUSE HE IS BORN/CREATED BY GODS WORDS/SPIRIT/TRUTH THAT HE HAS NO SIN} THERE IS NO WAY WORDS CREATING CLEANLINESS WILL COMMIT SIN. WORDS ARE TRUTH…AND SIN IS UNTRUTH….SIN IS NOT AN ACTION TO PERFORM…IT IS BELIEVED OR NOT.]Practice of sin diminishes![made up by you]
Finishing in 1John 5:18: “We know that whosoever is borne of God(CREATED BY GODS WORDS) SINNETH NOT;
But he that is begotten of God keepeth (GUARDS) himself,[FROM LIARS AND DECEIVERS]and that wicked one (truth deceivers in high places) toucheth him not.[CAN'T CHANGE HIS MIND]
All sinning(BELIEVING IN SIN) STOPS;(WHEN THE TRUTH/LIGHT COMES!) fulfilling Matt. 5:44!….[Matt., only uses the word “sin” twice in the entire book and Mark, and Luke do not use the word “sin” (Eph.4:13)….[until we come to unity of FAITH AND KNOWLEDGE…where is actions, works and deeds?….]
For me I can't hear words of truth that say I am clean, and then say, now if I do something I am being graded by those around me. Judgment by those around me I don't care about. In God I have been made perfect. He created me with his words through Jesus. TK
tk
Quote Ed or Pierre: If either one of you care to really know the truth you will find that even Jesus himself cannot forgive Ed if he trespasses against Pierre! God cannot forgive Pierre if he trespasses against Ed! The only forgiveness you can receive is if you forgive. FORGIVE….AND THEN YOU WILL BE FORGIVEN….FORGIVE US OUR TRESPASSES….AS OR WHILE…WE FORGIVE THEM THAT TRESPASS AGAINST US. this is totally opposed to scriptures;
MT 9:2 And they brought to Him a paralytic lying on a bed. Seeing their faith, Jesus said to the paralytic, “ Take courage, son; your sins are forgiven.”
MT 9:5 “Which is easier, to say, ‘ Your sins are forgiven,’ or to say, ‘Get up, and walk’?
MT 9:6 “But so that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins”—then He *said to the paralytic, “Get up, pick up your bed and go home.”
MT 18:15 “ If your brother sins, go and show him his fault in private; if he listens to you, you have won your brother.
MT 26:28 for this is My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for forgiveness of sins.
MK 1:4 John the Baptist appeared in the wilderness preaching a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness ofLK 17:3 “ Be on your guard! If your brother sins, rebuke him; and if he repents, forgive him.
LK 17:4 “And if he sins against you seven times a day, and returns to you seven times, saying, ‘I repent,’ forgive him.”Lk 7:40 Jesus answered him, “Simon, I have something to tell you.”
“Tell me, teacher,” he said.
Lk 7:41 “Two men owed money to a certain moneylender. One owed him five hundred denarii, and the other fifty.
Lk 7:42 Neither of them had the money to pay him back, so he canceled the debts of both. Now which of them will love him more?”
Lk 7:43 Simon replied, “I suppose the one who had the bigger debt canceled.”
“You have judged correctly,” Jesus said.
Lk 7:44 Then he turned toward the woman and said to Simon, “Do you see this woman? I came into your house. You did not give me any water for my feet, but she wet my feet with her tears and wiped them with her hair.
Lk 7:45 You did not give me a kiss, but this woman, from the time I entered, has not stopped kissing my feet.
Lk 7:46 You did not put oil on my head, but she has poured perfume on my feet.
Lk 7:47 Therefore, I tell you, her many sins have been forgiven—for she loved much. But he who has been forgiven little loves little.”
Lk 7:48 Then Jesus said to her, “Your sins are forgiven.”1SA 2:25 “If one man sins against another, God will mediate for him;
Lk 15:29 But he answered his father, ‘Look! All these years I’ve been slaving for you and never disobeyed your orders. Yet you never gave me even a young goat so I could celebrate with my friends.
Lk 15:30 But when this son of yours who has squandered your property with prostitutes comes home, you kill the fattened calf for him!’
Lk 15:31 “ ‘My son,’ the father said, ‘you are always with me, and everything I have is yours.
Lk 15:32 But we had to celebrate and be glad, because this brother of yours was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found.’ ”if you do not forgive your fellow men tell me why would God forgive your sins
?are we not judge as we our self judging others ?Pierre
Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 30 2012,08:30) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 30 2012,20:08) terraricca,Jan. wrote:To Ed J and Pierre,
Sounds like a productive conversation. I will ad that it is God that will do it. He will operate through your confidence that he will and can do as he promised for you.
Kerwinsins you add that comment I say yes you right,
see ;the scriptures are from God right so all your info comes from God and so it is not your ,
now if you put to practice the word and its wisdom you are making Gods words come to live ,right but they are not your words right ,
now wen you practice the words of God the angels can see what you doing they can listen to what you say and this would make them know that you are one with them in the same service,right
because of it they can help us and protect us where we cannot,
this is what I talking about ;
Mt 6:13 And lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from the evil one.in this we are totally depending on God.
Pierre
Pierre,You pray
Mt 6:13 And lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from the evil one.You must be confident that God can do it if he so wills and what he wills is righteous. He may allow you to be tempted by the evil one but he will always deliver you from him if you believe all that he says and is.
You are correct that one must become nothing that God may be everything.
Quote (ftk @ Jan. 30 2012,15:54) Ed or Pierre: If either one of you care to really know the truth you will find that even Jesus himself cannot forgive Ed if he trespasses against Pierre! God cannot forgive Pierre if he trespasses against Ed! The only forgiveness you can receive is if you forgive. FORGIVE….AND THEN YOU WILL BE FORGIVEN….FORGIVE US OUR TRESPASSES….AS OR WHILE…WE FORGIVE THEM THAT TRESPASS AGAINST US. You have accused this:
Both the atheist and Tim alike have fallen for this lie…[NOW WE PLACE LABELS ON PEOPLE…IS THAT YOUR RIGHT TO DO?]
A man doesn’t get to decide whether or not he is a a sinner, any more than a
speaker can declare his own words to be truthful. They either are or they aren't…..[ANOTHER RELIGIOUS UNTRUTH!….GOD HAS DONE A WORK THROUGH JESUS FOR MANKIND….THERE IS NO DECISION TO MAKE OF THE TRUTH SPOKEN…..YOU EITHER BELIEVE THE WORK HE DID….OR YOU DISBELIEVE WHAT HE HAS DONE…..IF YOU BELIEVE WHAT {HE, GOD} HAS DONE…THEN YOU HAVE NO SIN…..IF YOU DISBELIEVE WHAT GOD HAS DONE {FOR} YOU…..THEN YOU REMAIN IN SIN!!]The bible teaches that all sinners declare themselves innocent,…..[MORE LIES…UNLESS A RELIGIOUS BIGOT TELLS THEM THEY ARE IN SIN THEY WOULD NOT KNOW WHAT SIN IS….MUCH LESS THAT THEY WERE IN IT….]….JOHN 15:23….JESUS SAID, IF I HAD NOT COME AND SPOKEN UNTO THEM, THEY HAD NOT SIN…NOW THEY HAVE NO COVERING FOR THEIR ERROR/SIN.]
but then they are found to be sinners by others. (The record of a person’s actions speaks volumes)[THE GREATEST LIE YOU HAVE TOLD YET] WE LIVE (NOT) BY SIGHT BUT BY FAITH!….THE ENTIRE REASON THAT PAUL SAID…RIGHTEOUS IS BY FAITH, NOT WORKS OR ACTIONS IS SO A MAN CAN'T…..BOAST HIS OWN, EARNED, RIGHTEOUSNESS BY WORKS AND ACTIONS! THAT IS TOTAL LIES! IF ONE COULD BE RIGHTEOUS BY ACTIONS THEN JESUS NEED NOT COME AND DIE!!….IF ACTIONS BOUGHT RIGHTEOUSNESS FOR MAN UNTO GOD THEIR WOULD HAVE BEEN NO REASON FOR FAITH…THE NEW COVENANT….A NEW MAN BUILT BY GOD!
of their “Righteousness” or lack thereof (1John 3:10). It’s (how others view you) over time…[ANOTHER LIE…YOU ARE SAYING IT IS JUDGMENT FROM OTHERS THAT DECLARES YOU RIGHTEOUS OR UNCLEAN…..]
that matters, not how a person declares themselves without “sin” or “fault” in their own thinking.[A VERY DECEIVING RELIGIOUS LIE]FOR THE RECORD ONCE AGAIN I HAVE NEVER, EVER DECLARED MYSELF TO RIGHTEOUS DUE TO MERITS I HAVE EARNED…LIKE YOU DO.
I LOVE GODS WORDS. I AM WHAT GOD MAKES ME TO BE THROUGH HIS WORDS TO JESUS. GOD IS THE TRUTH OF WHATEVER MANKIND IS. ALL WHO DENY WHATEVER GOD SAYS THEY ARE IS LOST IN ERROR/SIN/WRONG THINKING. YOU ARE DECLARING A SELF-CREATED MAN RATED BY THOSE AROUND HIM AS EITHER GOOD OR BAD. THIS HAS NO RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD/JESUS AT ALL…!!!
YOU ALL GO AHEAD AND ''WORK'' OUT YOUR SALVATION WITH “ACTIONS AND DEEDS” BUT LEAVE OTHERS FOR THE TRUTH FROM GOD! TK
A progression away from the old sinful nature (see Colossians 3:4-10):
1John has a progression away from sin. Starting at 1John 1:8:
“If we say we have no sin we deceive ourselves”…
Sinners practice sin!Progressing to 1John 3:9: “Whoever is born of God does not commit sin; For his seed
remainith in him: and he cannot sin (AS A USUAL PRACTICE), because he is borne of God.”
Practice of sin diminishes!Finishing in 1John 5:18: “We know that whosoever is borne of God SINNETH NOT;
But he that is begotten of God keepeth (GUARDS) himself,
and that wicked one (Satan) toucheth him not.
All sinning STOPS; fulfilling Matt. 5:44! (Eph.4:13)
ftk,Your words are such that it is clear you do not currently believe in the new self created like God in true righteousness and holiness.
God does not do evil.
If you sin(do evil) inn thought or action and denying it is sin does not make you more like God in true righteousness and holiness.
Kerwin: Bless you! It seems that I am the only one on this site that believes “faith” is the only way to unite with God!
If only faith unites us with God….then works, bad or good, have nothing to do with faith in Jesus!Do you personally believe that righteousness unto God is by faith….or by works and deeds, that are either good or evil?
Paul said righteousness is by faith (alone)…less….there be a possibility a man work out his own righteousness and thereby boast!
If righteousness, unto God, is by good works….and unrighteousness is by bad works, then there is no need for faith at all.
If faith was not necessary then Jesus needn't come and die for us.
If righteousness, unto God is by faith only, then a “righteous” deed could only be a faith work of God. Mens deeds have absolutely nothing to do with acquiring or accepting the salvation package of purification, provided by Jesus, by faith unto God.
God bless you, my opinions TK
Hi Tim,
When we are “born again”, God transforms us little by little until he(YHVH)
sweeps all of our sinful habits away. Learn the parable of the mustard seed…Matt.13:31-32 The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in
his field(this is the “HolySpirit” planted inside of us): Which indeed is the least of all seeds: but
when it is grown, it is the greatest among herbs, and becometh a (perfect sinless) tree,
so that the birds of the air come and lodge in the branches thereof. (Heb.11:40)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
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