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Quote so bey bey Abraham,Moses,and the so many more you really do not know scriptures
What do you mean bey bey? Is that Hebrew or Greek?
You are not clear. Just insulting.Refute me with scripture, or tell me where I went wrong, then I can know what you are talking about.
j42
Romans 11:4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
do you mean those that God reserves for himself are not worthy
Ps 119:97 Oh, how I love your law!
I meditate on it all day long.
Ps 119:98 Your commands make me wiser than my enemies,
for they are ever with me.
Ps 119:99 I have more insight than all my teachers,
for I meditate on your statutes.
Ps 119:100 I have more understanding than the elders,
for I obey your precepts.
Ps 119:101 I have kept my feet from every evil path
so that I might obey your word.
Ps 119:102 I have not departed from your laws,
for you yourself have taught me.
Ps 119:103 How sweet are your words to my taste,
sweeter than honey to my mouth!
Ps 119:104 I gain understanding from your precepts;
therefore I hate every wrong path.so what you say to me is that those guy's that does those things in this Psalm are rejected by God and Christ
JN 14:1 “ Do not let your heart be troubled; believe in God, believe also in Me.
it seems that according to you there will be no one saved from of old ;1CO 10:6 Now these things happened as examples for us, so that we would not crave evil things as they also craved.
1Co 10:5 Nevertheless, God was not pleased with most of them; their bodies were scattered over the desert.
1Co 10:12 So, if you think you are standing firm, be careful that you don’t fall!
RO 1:17 For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, “BUT THE RIGHTEOUS man SHALL LIVE BY FAITH.”
RO 3:30 since indeed God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith is one.
RO 4:12 and the father of circumcision to those who not only are of the circumcision, but who also follow in the steps of the faith of our father Abraham which he had while uncircumcised.
terraricca,Feb. wrote:[/quote]
Quote j42 Romans 11:4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
do you mean those that God reserves for himself are not worthy
Pierre,
They, the Jews which are mentioned in Romans are saved according to “the election of grace”. None of us are worthy. It is talking about the Jews here, not the christians.
Have you read the chapter in Romans (ch11)? If so, how can you argue? I will type the whole chapter out if I have to.So instead you give me this, which has nothing to do with what we are talking about.
Quote Ps 119:97 Oh, how I love your law!
I meditate on it all day long.
Ps 119:98 Your commands make me wiser than my enemies,
for they are ever with me.
Ps 119:99 I have more insight than all my teachers,
for I meditate on your statutes.
Ps 119:100 I have more understanding than the elders,
for I obey your precepts.
Ps 119:101 I have kept my feet from every evil path
so that I might obey your word.
Ps 119:102 I have not departed from your laws,
for you yourself have taught me.
Ps 119:103 How sweet are your words to my taste,
sweeter than honey to my mouth!
Ps 119:104 I gain understanding from your precepts;
therefore I hate every wrong path.so what you say to me is that those guy's that does those things in this Psalm are rejected by God and Christ
They are “chosen” by the “election of grace” not rejected.
David would be one of them. Isaiah would be one of them, Ezekiel, Jacob, Isaac, even enoch would be included in that number, whatever it is in total, we don't know. But these are all Jews who did not know Christ because they were BEFORE CHRIST was born. They have only known the OLD TESTAMENT. Some were even before the Old Testament laws came. CHRIST IS FROM THE NEW. NEW LAWS, NEW WAYS, NEW COVENANT.
THROUGH CHRIST NOW, IT CANNOT CHANGE, EVEN FOR PAST GENERATIONS. THEY ALL HAVE TO COME THROUGH CHRIST NOW, THE WORD OF GOD. THEY CANNOT BE IN THE FIRST RESURRECTION, BECAUSE THEY DID NOT HAVE CHRIST, THE DOORWAY. THEY HAVE TO LEARN HIM FIRST, AND WILL LEARN OF HIM IN THE MILLENNIUM. NOT ONE OF THEM WILL BE LOST, SO THEY ARE STILL “SAVED” BUT AT A LATER DATE.
“THE FIRST WILL BE LAST, AND LAST WILL BE FIRST”Do you get it Mr Humble?
Jews and christians.
Two different groups.
One group knows God only,
and the other group (whether they are jews or gentiles), are the christians.
Two groups.I am not yelling with my capital letters, but do not want you to skim over what I am saying. I need you to see my points.
Those Jews who did not know Christ will get to meet him in the holy land, in Holy Jerusalem, this new city that we await to come, when it is set up properly and established for ALL TO SEE PHYSICALLY WITH THEIR EYES, on EARTH, IN JERUSALEM. They will witness this truly, this special place ruled by Christ and his saints, where the lion eats straw, and an old man lives to 100 years old. This same place, they will be brought back “by election of grace” not because of works, or belief, or unbelief, but by “grace” and they will be TAUGHT.
Quote JN 14:1 “ Do not let your heart be troubled; believe in God, believe also in Me.
NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT AGAIN.Quote it seems that according to you there will be no one saved from of old ;1CO 10:6 Now these things happened as examples for us, so that we would not crave evil things as they also craved.
Misquoting my words, and the scriptures.Quote 1Co 10:5 Nevertheless, God was not pleased with most of them; their bodies were scattered over the desert. 1Co 10:12 So, if you think you are standing firm, be careful that you don’t fall!
RO 1:17 For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, “BUT THE RIGHTEOUS man SHALL LIVE BY FAITH.”
So what are you saying, that this is you!Quote RO 3:30 since indeed God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith is one. RO 4:12 and the father of circumcision to those who not only are of the circumcision, but who also follow in the steps of the faith of our father Abraham which he had while uncircumcised.
unbelievableRomans Chapter 11
1. I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
2. God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elijah? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,
3. Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars, and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
4. But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
5. Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
Recap.
the question was asked, “has God cast away HIS PEOPLE?”
We know that his people are the Israelites, because we know the history and it's confirmed in verse 1. (PROOF)now the answer to Paul's question
“God hath not cast away his people which he FOREKNEW”?PROOF they are SPEAKING OF THE JEWS. NOT THE CHRISTIANS.
Now an old statement is remembered that Elijah spoke. Elijah said back then “Lord they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
And what does God answer him?
I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
I showed you in kings also where he said this. (1kings 19:18)
This conversation took place back then. It is recited.So what does God say after this;
5. “Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.”What was the question referring to?
ANSWER: ISRAEL.So who at that present time during Romans is there a REMNANT according to the election of grace for?
ANSWER: ISRAEL.Is there any talk of the christians here?
ANSWER: NOQuote j42 so bey bey Abraham,Moses,and the so many more
you really do not know scriptures
Lets take it to the hot seat and see if you will make the same comment?Quote (journey42 @ Feb. 13 2014,19:36) terraricca,Feb. wrote:[/quote]
Quote j42 Romans 11:4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
do you mean those that God reserves for himself are not worthy
Pierre,
They, the Jews which are mentioned in Romans are saved according to “the election of grace”. None of us are worthy. It is talking about the Jews here, not the christians.
Have you read the chapter in Romans (ch11)? If so, how can you argue? I will type the whole chapter out if I have to.So instead you give me this, which has nothing to do with what we are talking about.
Quote Ps 119:97 Oh, how I love your law!
I meditate on it all day long.
Ps 119:98 Your commands make me wiser than my enemies,
for they are ever with me.
Ps 119:99 I have more insight than all my teachers,
for I meditate on your statutes.
Ps 119:100 I have more understanding than the elders,
for I obey your precepts.
Ps 119:101 I have kept my feet from every evil path
so that I might obey your word.
Ps 119:102 I have not departed from your laws,
for you yourself have taught me.
Ps 119:103 How sweet are your words to my taste,
sweeter than honey to my mouth!
Ps 119:104 I gain understanding from your precepts;
therefore I hate every wrong path.so what you say to me is that those guy's that does those things in this Psalm are rejected by God and Christ
They are “chosen” by the “election of grace” not rejected.
David would be one of them. Isaiah would be one of them, Ezekiel, Jacob, Isaac, even enoch would be included in that number, whatever it is in total, we don't know. But these are all Jews who did not know Christ because they were BEFORE CHRIST was born. They have only known the OLD TESTAMENT. Some were even before the Old Testament laws came. CHRIST IS FROM THE NEW. NEW LAWS, NEW WAYS, NEW COVENANT.
THROUGH CHRIST NOW, IT CANNOT CHANGE, EVEN FOR PAST GENERATIONS. THEY ALL HAVE TO COME THROUGH CHRIST NOW, THE WORD OF GOD. THEY CANNOT BE IN THE FIRST RESURRECTION, BECAUSE THEY DID NOT HAVE CHRIST, THE DOORWAY. THEY HAVE TO LEARN HIM FIRST, AND WILL LEARN OF HIM IN THE MILLENNIUM. NOT ONE OF THEM WILL BE LOST, SO THEY ARE STILL “SAVED” BUT AT A LATER DATE.
“THE FIRST WILL BE LAST, AND LAST WILL BE FIRST”Do you get it Mr Humble?
Jews and christians.
Two different groups.
One group knows God only,
and the other group (whether they are jews or gentiles), are the christians.
Two groups.I am not yelling with my capital letters, but do not want you to skim over what I am saying. I need you to see my points.
Those Jews who did not know Christ will get to meet him in the holy land, in Holy Jerusalem, this new city that we await to come, when it is set up properly and established for ALL TO SEE PHYSICALLY WITH THEIR EYES, on EARTH, IN JERUSALEM. They will witness this truly, this special place ruled by Christ and his saints, where the lion eats straw, and an old man lives to 100 years old. This same place, they will be brought back “by election of grace” not because of works, or belief, or unbelief, but by “grace” and they will be TAUGHT.
Quote JN 14:1 “ Do not let your heart be troubled; believe in God, believe also in Me.
NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT AGAIN.Quote it seems that according to you there will be no one saved from of old ;1CO 10:6 Now these things happened as examples for us, so that we would not crave evil things as they also craved.
Misquoting my words, and the scriptures.Quote 1Co 10:5 Nevertheless, God was not pleased with most of them; their bodies were scattered over the desert. 1Co 10:12 So, if you think you are standing firm, be careful that you don’t fall!
RO 1:17 For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, “BUT THE RIGHTEOUS man SHALL LIVE BY FAITH.”
So what are you saying, that this is you!Quote RO 3:30 since indeed God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith is one. RO 4:12 and the father of circumcision to those who not only are of the circumcision, but who also follow in the steps of the faith of our father Abraham which he had while uncircumcised.
unbelievable
j42Quote CHRIST IS FROM THE NEW. NEW LAWS, NEW WAYS, NEW COVENANT. tell me what is new ???beside this verses,
Ps 119:97 Oh, how I love your law!
I meditate on it all day long.
Ps 119:98 Your commands make me wiser than my enemies,
for they are ever with me.
Ps 119:99 I have more insight than all my teachers,
for I meditate on your statutes.
Ps 119:100 I have more understanding than the elders,
for I obey your precepts.
Ps 119:101 I have kept my feet from every evil path
so that I might obey your word.
Ps 119:102 I have not departed from your laws,
for you yourself have taught me.
Ps 119:103 How sweet are your words to my taste,
sweeter than honey to my mouth!
Ps 119:104 I gain understanding from your precepts;
therefore I hate every wrong path.you seem to ignore scriptures were it says God never changes
Quote j42
tell me what is new ???beside this verses,Ps 119:97 Oh, how I love your law!
I meditate on it all day long.
Ps 119:98 Your commands make me wiser than my enemies,
for they are ever with me.
Ps 119:99 I have more insight than all my teachers,
for I meditate on your statutes.
Ps 119:100 I have more understanding than the elders,
for I obey your precepts.
Ps 119:101 I have kept my feet from every evil path
so that I might obey your word.
Ps 119:102 I have not departed from your laws,
for you yourself have taught me.
Ps 119:103 How sweet are your words to my taste,
sweeter than honey to my mouth!
Ps 119:104 I gain understanding from your precepts;
therefore I hate every wrong path.you seem to ignore scriptures were it says God never changes
Luke 13:32 And he said unto them, Go ye, and tell that fox, Behold, I cast out devils, and I do cures to day and to morrow, and the third day I shall be perfected.Matthew 11:5 The blind receive their sight, and the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, and the deaf hear, the dead are raised up, and the poor have the gospel preached to them.
Acts 11:18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.
John 10:9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.
John 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
Quote (journey42 @ Feb. 14 2014,21:12) Quote j42
tell me what is new ???beside this verses,Ps 119:97 Oh, how I love your law!
I meditate on it all day long.
Ps 119:98 Your commands make me wiser than my enemies,
for they are ever with me.
Ps 119:99 I have more insight than all my teachers,
for I meditate on your statutes.
Ps 119:100 I have more understanding than the elders,
for I obey your precepts.
Ps 119:101 I have kept my feet from every evil path
so that I might obey your word.
Ps 119:102 I have not departed from your laws,
for you yourself have taught me.
Ps 119:103 How sweet are your words to my taste,
sweeter than honey to my mouth!
Ps 119:104 I gain understanding from your precepts;
therefore I hate every wrong path.you seem to ignore scriptures were it says God never changes
Luke 13:32 And he said unto them, Go ye, and tell that fox, Behold, I cast out devils, and I do cures to day and to morrow, and the third day I shall be perfected.Matthew 11:5 The blind receive their sight, and the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, and the deaf hear, the dead are raised up, and the poor have the gospel preached to them.
Acts 11:18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.
John 10:9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.
John 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
J42PS 119:123 My eyes fail with longing for Your salvation
And for Your righteous PROMISE.PS 119:124 Deal with Your servant according to Your lovingkindness
And teach me Your statutes.
PS 119:125 I am Your servant; give me understanding,
That I may know Your testimonies.
PS 119:126 It is time for the LORD to act,
For they have broken Your law.
PS 119:127 Therefore I love Your commandments
Above gold, yes, above fine goldPS 119:130 The unfolding of Your words gives light;
It gives understanding to the simple.Lk 24:25 He said to them, “How foolish you are, and how slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken!
Lk 24:26 Did not the Christ have to suffer these things and then enter his glory?”
Lk 24:27 And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he explained to them what was said in all the Scriptures concerning himself.PS 119:132 Turn to me and be gracious to me,
After Your manner with those who love Your name.
PS 119:133 Establish my footsteps in Your PROMISE,
And do not let any iniquity have dominion over me.
PS 119:134 Redeem me from the oppression of man,
That I may keep Your precepts.
PS 119:135 Make Your face shine upon Your servant,
And teach me Your statutes.JESUS WAS THE PROMISE ,THAT GOD FOR SO LONG TALKED ABOUT ,
AND NOW HE WAS THERE ON HAND ,
Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 15 2014,04:32) J42 LOVE YOUR ENEMY WAS NEW TO THE WORLD BUT HOW SHOULD IT BE APPLIED REMAINS FOGGY TO MOST
T.I know where you are coming from.
Can you shout out loud with your mouth,these words?
JESUS IS MY SAVIOUR.MY LORD AND MY GOD.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 14 2014,23:45) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 15 2014,04:32) J42 LOVE YOUR ENEMY WAS NEW TO THE WORLD BUT HOW SHOULD IT BE APPLIED REMAINS FOGGY TO MOST
T.I know where you are coming from.
Can you shout out loud with your mouth,these words?
JESUS IS MY SAVIOUR.MY LORD AND MY GOD.wakeup.
wstrange Thomas did not say that when he was in the boat ,Mt 14:33 Then those who were in the boat worshiped him, saying, “Truly you are the Son of God.”
Mk 3:11 Whenever the evil spirits saw him, they fell down before him and cried out, “You are the Son of God.”
Lk 1:35 The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God.
Lk 22:70 They all asked, “Are you then the Son of God?”
He replied, “You are right in saying I am.”Jn 11:27 “Yes, Lord,” she told him, “I believe that you are the Christ, the Son of God, who was to come into the world.”
Jn 20:31 But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.
I think you can read those scriptures for yourself and understand them ;if not no one can help you
Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 15 2014,09:13) T. Can you shout out the name Jesus with your mouth without shaking?
wakeup.
Even if I can what is it to youOUR TRIBULATION ARE KNOW TO GOD AND CHRIST SO PRAY FOR HELP TO THOSE THAT CAN HELP YOU ,DO NOT BE PROUD SO THAT PRAYING AND ASKING IS NOT IN YOUR NATURE ,THIS COULD AND WILL COST YOUR LIFE ,
SCRIPTURES SAY :MY RIGHTEOUS FALLS SEVEN TIMES BUT SEVEN TIMES I (GOD) BRING HIM BACK UP ON HIS FEET, ;AS FOR THE WICKED WHO WILL BRING HIM UP WHEN I MAKE HIM FALL
NO ONERevelation 14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice,
***If any man worship the beast and his image***,
***and receive his mark in his forehead***,
***or in his hand***,Revelation 14:10 ***The same shall drink of the wine of
the wrath of God***,
***which is poured out without mixture into the cup of
his indignation***;
***and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone***
***in the presence of the holy angels***,
***and in the presence of the Lamb**:Revelation 14:11 ***And the smoke of their torment
ascendeth up for ever and ever***:
***and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the
beast and his image***,
***and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name***.He who saves his life shall loose it.He who loves fam. more than ME is not worthy of ME.
Matthew 10:37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
Matthew 10:38 And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.
Dont ever take this mark brothers and sisters.
Even if starvation will kill your children.wakeup.
Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 20 2014,02:41) some are confused by the TRIBULATIONS AND THE WRATH OF GOD, they are to quick in their conclusions ,
T.So what is your conclusion?
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 19 2014,22:41) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 20 2014,02:41) some are confused by the TRIBULATIONS AND THE WRATH OF GOD, they are to quick in their conclusions ,
T.So what is your conclusion?
wakeup.
wlook in the scriptures for the WRATH OF GOD
and do not mix the tribulation that men go through in live ,
WRATH is a punishment of God to the wicked ;
the tribulation(s) is the difficulties ,adversities,the testing that we encounter through out our lives as a true believer in the son of God and his father THIS IS WHAT MAKES THE TRUE BELIEVER A GOOD SERVANT OF THE LORD ,READY FOR THE NEXT WORLD ,
Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 20 2014,12:56) The seven trumpets coming is the WRATH OF GOD.
Not ours, or someone else.wakeup.
WWhat did I say in my quote
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