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Hi Oxy ,
Still check your steps by the Words of God.
Miracles can be done in the name of Jesus by many.
Mark 9:39
But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me.Miracle workers can be deceived.
Matthew 7:22
” Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?'Quote (Oxy @ April 29 2007,17:11) I hear what you are saying 94 and welcome your blessings. In order to be born again, what does one do? He repents and receives Christ as Lord and saviour. Who did Christ receive? Himself? No, I think rather He was born as the Son of God without need for repentence or spiritual birth, although He did receive the Holy Spirit when He was baptised.
Yes, He was seperated from the Father when our sin was put upon Him, but that did not mean He had to be born again, but He did have to die to pay the price. He was ressurected from the dead, but there is no mention in Scripture of Jesus ever needing to be born again. Should He receive Himself? Should He bow to Himself? No, I don't think so.
Blessings
No Oxy:He did not have any need of repentance. He paid the judgment that was against humanity. He did it for us and if had not we would still be in our sins.
He did not receive himself. God received him from the dead, and declared him not guilty, and because of this we also can be raised from the dead and reconciled to God.
He was raised by Jewish parents under the Law of Moses and was without sin when he was baptized in the Jordan. It was not because he needed to repent but he was baptized as an example of what those who followed him were do.
Matt. 3:14
But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?
3:15
And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh * us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.At this time the Holy Ghost was only given to the Prophets. Jesus was a mature Son at the age of 30 at the time he received the Holy Ghost and God sent him into the world as his Christ to speak to humanity through his life.
I'll paste the following scriptures which I believe relevant to this.
Deut. 18:18
I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.Hebrews 1
1:1
God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
1:2
Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;God bless
Hi 94
I have no problems at all with what you have just stated above, but then you didn't mention that Jesus had to be born again, which I disagree with.
Hi,
Many claim to have been reborn of the Spirit by the evidence of miracles or experiences.
Is that all that is required?
mt 7.22Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 22 2014,04:10) Hi,
Many claim to have been reborn of the Spirit by the evidence of miracles or experiences.
Is that all that is required?
mt 7.22
do all men receive the same thing of blessings from God
yes or noQuote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 22 2014,09:10) Hi,
Many claim to have been reborn of the Spirit by the evidence of miracles or experiences.
Is that all that is required?
mt 7.22
Oxy could sense that Jesus did not need to be born again.
*IF* that means baptism.Which its not.
Born again means exactly what it says;born once more.
Again means twice,no more.
Or can one be born again and again and again.
Born again then fall away, and then born again,and then fall away and so on.
Once born again you are spirit.wakeup.
Hi WU,
Spirit begets Spirit.
We are no different to the one we follow.No one CAN ENTER the God's kingdom without being begotten of water and Spirit.
Were any conversions in the book of Acts NOT accompanied by water baptism in the Name of Jesus Christ?Is the book not our handbook?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 22 2014,12:18) Hi WU,
Spirit begets Spirit.
We are no different to the one we follow.No one CAN ENTER the God's kingdom without being begotten of water and Spirit.
Were any conversions in the book of Acts NOT accompanied by water baptism in the Name of Jesus Christ?Is the book not our handbook?
Nick.Water is of this world a fluid substance.
Baptism is a *symbol* of the washing away of sins.
That was done yes;I am not against baptism itself.
Jesus breaking the bread is also a *symbol* of His flesh
shared amongst his brethren.A person can be baptised by the Holy spirit without being baptised in water.(can be).
Israel was baptised in the desert by drinking of the water
of the rock.
And by crossing the sea.
The thief on the cross was not baptised,for he is a thief.
Yet He was baptised by the Holy spirit,by Jesus words.Will you just let any person not in the truth baptise you?
Water can not prevent you from having eternal life.
We need to be baptised in the Holy spirit.
All the scribes and priests are baptised;are they saved?
They are murderers.
Was Judas not baptised? Have not some of pauls followers not gone astray?Get baptised by all means,but make sure he that baptise
is in the truth.wakeup.
Hi WU,
So no scriptural evidence of water being those of childbirth-I agree.The promise to the thief was given under the OT as Jesus had yet to die
Looking for exceptions shows you are aware of the expectations of God as shown in 1Peter 3
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 22 2014,13:13) Hi WU,
So no scriptural evidence of water being those of childbirth-I agree.The promise to the thief was given under the OT as Jesus had yet to die
Looking for exceptions shows you are aware of the expectations of God as shown in 1Peter 3
Nick.Decerning Jesus words is important.
Born of water;are we not all born of water?Here is the contradiction.
1.A person is born out of the mother.
2.The same is born when baptised.
3.The same is born in spirit when resurrected.This makes it born three times.
It does not fit with the word: *again*
Again means twice,not three times.wakeup.
Hi WU,
If you can show any childbirth in scripture as being born of water I can agree.
Otherwise it is just speculation.
What of the animals?Where is resurrection called rebirth?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 22 2014,14:19) Hi WU,
If you can show any childbirth in scripture as being born of water I can agree.
Otherwise it is just speculation.
What of the animals?Where is resurrection called rebirth?
Nick.Decern Jesus words.
Born of the flesh.
Babies come out of a sack of water.
Water can not prevent one from having eternal life.Bob is baptised with water,but never baptised with the Holy spirit,because he has no time to seek. Too busy living life.
Steve is not baptised with water for some reason,but
He is baptised with the Holy Spirit,because he is earnestly seeking the scriptures.Both died; which one of the two would be accepted?
I say steve would be accepted.
wakeup.
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