What is a sodomite

[terraricca]

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Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 19 2013,10:58) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 19 2013,03:22) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 19 2013,04:36) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 18 2013,16:05) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 18 2013,01:10) w Quote 6. Paradise is the thousand year REST,for the jews. 7.Christ and HIS saints will rule over their flesh brethren.  This is their kingdom.This is Christ's kingdom,untill God  takes over rule. so paradise and the day of rest of God is the same Quote 1.The thief could not be the 144k,BECAUSE he must go  through Christ first. what do you mean go through Christ T. The thousand year rest is paradise. Through Christ means: have to be taught Christ like we are now going through Christ. No man can come to the Father but by Me. wakeup. w Quote The thousand year rest is paradise. where in scriptures it says that T. To find the answer;you need to study the real bible. wakeup. Wakeup, Useless unless you go to Jesus. Kerwin. The Holy bible is the testimony of Jesus,who was the Word of God made flesh. The old testament was the Word of God. And the new testament is Jesus. The spirit in those words; IS JESUS SPIRIT. No man can come to God without studying the scriptures.Unless you will be in the second resurrection,and judged by your works. wakeup.

W

You do realize that you have made that story up,this is not what scriptures teaches ,neither the disciples of Christ ,

So men made story ,not good ,not of God ,

[Wakeup]

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 20 2013,17:36)

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 20 2013,12:10) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 19 2013,10:58) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 19 2013,03:22) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 19 2013,04:36) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 18 2013,16:05) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 18 2013,01:10) w Quote 6. Paradise is the thousand year REST,for the jews. 7.Christ and HIS saints will rule over their flesh brethren.  This is their kingdom.This is Christ's kingdom,untill God  takes over rule. so paradise and the day of rest of God is the same Quote 1.The thief could not be the 144k,BECAUSE he must go  through Christ first. what do you mean go through Christ T. The thousand year rest is paradise. Through Christ means: have to be taught Christ like we are now going through Christ. No man can come to the Father but by Me. wakeup. w Quote The thousand year rest is paradise. where in scriptures it says that T. To find the answer;you need to study the real bible. wakeup. Wakeup, Useless unless you go to Jesus. Kerwin. The Holy bible is the testimony of Jesus,who was the Word of God made flesh. The old testament was the Word of God. And the new testament is Jesus. The spirit in those words; IS JESUS SPIRIT. No man can come to God without studying the scriptures.Unless you will be in the second resurrection,and judged by your works. wakeup. W You do realize that you have made that story up,this is not what scriptures teaches ,neither the disciples of Christ , So men made story ,not good ,not of God ,

T.
You can believe this or not.

Revelation 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren ***that have the testimony of Jesus***: worship God: for ***the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy***.

wakeup.

[terraricca]

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*the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy***

this means IF YOU BELIEVE THE PROPHECIES OF JESUS THEN YOU WOULD TESTIFY TO IT OF HIM BEING THE SON AND MESSIAH AS HE SAID HE WAS ,

[kerwin]

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 20 2013,12:10)

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 19 2013,10:58) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 19 2013,03:22) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 19 2013,04:36) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 18 2013,16:05) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 18 2013,01:10) w Quote 6. Paradise is the thousand year REST,for the jews. 7.Christ and HIS saints will rule over their flesh brethren.  This is their kingdom.This is Christ's kingdom,untill God  takes over rule. so paradise and the day of rest of God is the same Quote 1.The thief could not be the 144k,BECAUSE he must go  through Christ first. what do you mean go through Christ T. The thousand year rest is paradise. Through Christ means: have to be taught Christ like we are now going through Christ. No man can come to the Father but by Me. wakeup. w Quote The thousand year rest is paradise. where in scriptures it says that T. To find the answer;you need to study the real bible. wakeup. Wakeup, Useless unless you go to Jesus. Kerwin. The Holy bible is the testimony of Jesus,who was the Word of God made flesh. The old testament was the Word of God. And the new testament is Jesus. The spirit in those words; IS JESUS SPIRIT. No man can come to God without studying the scriptures.Unless you will be in the second resurrection,and judged by your works. wakeup.

Wakeup,

Jesus' words are spirit because only the spiritual man can understand them in the way they are meant to be understood.  The spiritual man will always come to Jesus.  

It is the Spirit that teaches not the letters written on paper.

No one makes it to God by works. Even Abraham, whose mortality was before the word was given to his descendents, was credited with doing the works because of his faith.

[Wakeup]

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 21 2013,01:03)

w Quote *the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy*** this means IF YOU BELIEVE THE PROPHECIES OF JESUS THEN YOU WOULD TESTIFY TO IT OF HIM BEING THE SON AND MESSIAH AS HE SAID HE WAS ,

T.

That's not all,just to know Jesus.
for many will come and say Jesus; Lord,Lord.

The prophesies are not just about knowing Jesus and God.
It is about God's plan for mankind and the coming future.
Even Jesus and God is not known to the christians.
They know Jesus name,yes; they know God's name, yes.
But that's all they know.

wakeup.

[Wakeup]

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 21 2013,05:26)

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 20 2013,12:10) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 19 2013,10:58) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 19 2013,03:22) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 19 2013,04:36) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 18 2013,16:05) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 18 2013,01:10) w Quote 6. Paradise is the thousand year REST,for the jews. 7.Christ and HIS saints will rule over their flesh brethren.  This is their kingdom.This is Christ's kingdom,untill God  takes over rule. so paradise and the day of rest of God is the same Quote 1.The thief could not be the 144k,BECAUSE he must go  through Christ first. what do you mean go through Christ T. The thousand year rest is paradise. Through Christ means: have to be taught Christ like we are now going through Christ. No man can come to the Father but by Me. wakeup. w Quote The thousand year rest is paradise. where in scriptures it says that T. To find the answer;you need to study the real bible. wakeup. Wakeup, Useless unless you go to Jesus. Kerwin. The Holy bible is the testimony of Jesus,who was the Word of God made flesh. The old testament was the Word of God. And the new testament is Jesus. The spirit in those words; IS JESUS SPIRIT. No man can come to God without studying the scriptures.Unless you will be in the second resurrection,and judged by your works. wakeup. Wakeup, Jesus' words are spirit because only the spiritual man can understand them in the way they are meant to be understood.  The spiritual man will always come to Jesus.   It is the Spirit that teaches not the letters written on paper. No one makes it to God by works. Even Abraham, whose mortality was before the word was given to his descendents, was credited with doing the works because of his faith.

Kerwin.

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Jesus' words are spirit because only the spiritual man can understand them in the way they are meant to be understood. The spiritual man will always come to Jesus.

IF ONE IS NOT SPIRITUALLY INCLINED;ONE WILL NOT READ THE BIBLE. THE SPIRITUALLY INCLINED DOES NOT HAVE TO READ THE BIBLE,FOR THERE ARE MANY SPIRITUAL BOOKS ON THE MARKET.

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It is the Spirit that teaches not the letters written on paper.

THOSE WORDS ON PAPER HAS POWER;IT CAN TOUCH THE HEART AND SOUL OF A PERSON. THAT IS THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST,AND WE SHOULD TAKE THAT IN,SO IT BECOME ONE
IN US. WALKING BY THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST. OUR THINKING WILL BE CHRIST THINKING.

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No one makes it to God by works. Even Abraham, whose mortality was before the word was given to his descendents, was credited with doing the works because of his faith.

THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT WE DONT HAVE TO LABOUR.
THAT REALLY MEANS THAT IF WE ONLY DEPEND ON OUR WORKS;WE CAN NOT GET THERE: BECAUSE ALL THE WORKS
IN THE WORLD WILL NOT PAY FOR THE TICKET TO HEAVEN.
IT SIMPLY IS NOT ENOUGH.BUT WITH THE MERCY OF CHRIST WE CAN GET THERE. TO RECEIVE MERCY WE ALSO MUST SEEK HIM.

EVEN ABRAHAM, ALSO MUST GO THROUGH CHRIST IN THE THOUSAND YEAR REST.ALL MUST GO THROUGH CHRIST.

wakeup.

[kerwin]

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 20 2013,12:10)

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 19 2013,10:58) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 19 2013,03:22) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 19 2013,04:36) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 18 2013,16:05) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 18 2013,01:10) w Quote 6. Paradise is the thousand year REST,for the jews. 7.Christ and HIS saints will rule over their flesh brethren.  This is their kingdom.This is Christ's kingdom,untill God  takes over rule. so paradise and the day of rest of God is the same Quote 1.The thief could not be the 144k,BECAUSE he must go  through Christ first. what do you mean go through Christ T. The thousand year rest is paradise. Through Christ means: have to be taught Christ like we are now going through Christ. No man can come to the Father but by Me. wakeup. w Quote The thousand year rest is paradise. where in scriptures it says that T. To find the answer;you need to study the real bible. wakeup. Wakeup, Useless unless you go to Jesus. Kerwin. The Holy bible is the testimony of Jesus,who was the Word of God made flesh. The old testament was the Word of God. And the new testament is Jesus. The spirit in those words; IS JESUS SPIRIT. No man can come to God without studying the scriptures.Unless you will be in the second resurrection,and judged by your works. wakeup.

Wakeup,

There is nowhere it is written that no one can go to heaven without studying Scriptures.

I do not even know where “go to heaven” is mentioned in Scriptures.

Those that believe the word if God in the same way Abraham did will inherit the kingdom of heaven.

[Wakeup]

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 25 2013,06:47)

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 20 2013,12:10) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 19 2013,10:58) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 19 2013,03:22) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 19 2013,04:36) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 18 2013,16:05) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 18 2013,01:10) w Quote 6. Paradise is the thousand year REST,for the jews. 7.Christ and HIS saints will rule over their flesh brethren.  This is their kingdom.This is Christ's kingdom,untill God  takes over rule. so paradise and the day of rest of God is the same Quote 1.The thief could not be the 144k,BECAUSE he must go  through Christ first. what do you mean go through Christ T. The thousand year rest is paradise. Through Christ means: have to be taught Christ like we are now going through Christ. No man can come to the Father but by Me. wakeup. w Quote The thousand year rest is paradise. where in scriptures it says that T. To find the answer;you need to study the real bible. wakeup. Wakeup, Useless unless you go to Jesus. Kerwin. The Holy bible is the testimony of Jesus,who was the Word of God made flesh. The old testament was the Word of God. And the new testament is Jesus. The spirit in those words; IS JESUS SPIRIT. No man can come to God without studying the scriptures.Unless you will be in the second resurrection,and judged by your works. wakeup. Wakeup, There is nowhere it is written that no one can go to heaven without studying Scriptures. I do not even know where “go to heaven” is mentioned in Scriptures. Those that believe the word if God in the same way Abraham did will inherit the kingdom of heaven.

Kerwin.

Please understand; God's Word is Jesus.
God's Word in the old testament is also Jesus(before he was made flesh).(He was the Word of God).
God;s Word in the new testament is also Jesus.
The Spirit in the new testament is the spirit of Jesus,now back in heaven.

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1).There is nowhere it is written that no one can go to heaven without studying Scriptures. 2).I do not even know where “go to heaven” is mentioned in Scriptures. 3).Those that believe the word if God in the same way Abraham did will inherit the kingdom of heaven

1. Jesus said: Seek and you shall find.
Seek the scriptures.God and Jesus is found by studying the
scriptures.
2. The resurrected saints,will inherit all things.
They can enter the kingdom of HEAVEN.
3. The jews and Abraham have not studied the new
testament.There was no old testament in Abrahams days.
They will have their chance in the thousand year rest.

wakeup.

[kerwin]

Wakeup,

I believe the changed can enter heaven if they desire to do so and God allows it. Even the unchanged have been said to ascend to the present heaven.

[journey42]

kerwin,Dec. wrote:

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Wakeup, I believe the changed can enter heaven if they desire to do so and God allows it.  Even the unchanged have been said to ascend to the present heaven.

Kerwin

Please elaborate.

[terraricca]

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T. You can believe this or not. Revelation 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren ***that have the testimony of Jesus***: worship God: for ***the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy***. wakeup. ———–

your worship does not mean worship like someone gives to God almighty ,we went through this already

[kerwin]

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kerwin,Dec. wrote: [/quote] Quote Wakeup, I believe the changed can enter heaven if they desire to do so and God allows it.  Even the unchanged have been said to ascend to the present heaven. Kerwin Please elaborate.

Journey,

Paul speaks of it.

2 Corinthians 12:2
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven.

[terraricca]

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Quote (journey42 @ Dec. 25 2013,06:39) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 25 2013,08:50) Quote Wakeup, I believe the changed can enter heaven if they desire to do so and God allows it.  Even the unchanged have been said to ascend to the present heaven. Kerwin Please elaborate. Journey, Paul speaks of it. 2 Corinthians 12:2 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV) 2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven.

K

That man is Steven ,

[journey42]

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 25 2013,14:38)

Quote (journey42 @ Dec. 25 2013,06:39) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 25 2013,08:50) Quote Wakeup, I believe the changed can enter heaven if they desire to do so and God allows it.  Even the unchanged have been said to ascend to the present heaven. Kerwin Please elaborate. Journey, Paul speaks of it. 2 Corinthians 12:2 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV) 2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven.

Hi Kerwin,

Ok, I see where you are coming from now.
I thought you meant “ascend” into heaven like Christ did. Die and then rise (ascend).

I will make a new post on this “third heaven” in 2 Corinth 12:2, and see if we can unravel the puzzle.

[kerwin]

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 25 2013,13:01)

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 25 2013,09:38) Journey, Paul speaks of it. 2 Corinthians 12:2 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV) 2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven. K That man is Steven ,

T,

Steven was not caught up into heaven.  He saw heaven.

Acts 7:55-56
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God, 56 and said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.

[terraricca]

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Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 25 2013,13:01) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 25 2013,09:38) Journey, Paul speaks of it. 2 Corinthians 12:2 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV) 2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven. K That man is Steven , T, Steven was not caught up into heaven.  He saw heaven. Acts 7:55-56 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV) 55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God, 56 and said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.

K

Yes it is Steven but you do not read scriptures as you should,

[kerwin]

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 26 2013,00:46)

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 26 2013,00:10) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 25 2013,13:01) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 25 2013,09:38) Journey, Paul speaks of it. 2 Corinthians 12:2 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV) 2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven. K That man is Steven , T, Steven was not caught up into heaven.  He saw heaven. Acts 7:55-56 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV) 55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God, 56 and said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God. K Yes it is Steven but you do not read scriptures as you should,

T,

Are you claiming that “looked up” and “caught up” mean the same thing.

[terraricca]

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 26 2013,01:46)

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 26 2013,00:46) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 26 2013,00:10) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 25 2013,13:01) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 25 2013,09:38) Journey, Paul speaks of it. 2 Corinthians 12:2 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV) 2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven. K That man is Steven , T, Steven was not caught up into heaven.  He saw heaven. Acts 7:55-56 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV) 55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God, 56 and said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God. K Yes it is Steven but you do not read scriptures as you should, T, Are you claiming that “looked up” and “caught up” mean the same thing.

k

read the scriptures about Steven very carefully, and understand that he died right there ;they stone him right ,

Mt 16:28 I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”

now were did his Soul go he died in Christ and for Christ

[kerwin]

T,

Paul stated he did not know whether the man went in body or out of body and you are stating he went out of body. You show more knowledge of the event than Paul.

[terraricca]

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T, Paul stated he did not know whether the man went in body or out of body and you are stating he went out of body.  You show more knowledge of the event than Paul.

K

I JUST READ THE SCRIPTURES ,WHAT PAUL KNEW OR NOT ,I DO NOT KNOW,

BUT IF I WAS YOU ,I WOULD READ PAUL REMAKES MORE DILIGENTLY, AND IN OTHER VERSION IF NOT THE GREEK

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