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Nick said:
Quote Hi CA,
In Christ there are no protestant or catholic denominations.
Christ is not divided.What is a Protestant? Many think that one is either a Catholic or a Protestant. But this is not the case for one may be a non-Catholic and still not be a Protestant. Almost all members on this board are non-Catholic. But they are not protestants because they hold to a works-salvation program of some kind.
A Protestant is one who believes that salvation is by grace alone and that justification is by faith alone. If you add any work at all to this rule you are not a Protestant. I believe in grace alone and in faith alone. I am a Protestant in the truest and most pure sense of the term. Only the consistent Protestant has the true and unadulterated new covenant gospel.thinker
Hi TT,
Mother and daughters.
In an ongoing murderous family dispute
Those who continue to hold fast her false doctrines like trinity have never left her.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 03 2009,08:30) Hi TT,
Mother and daughters.
In an ongoing murderous family dispute
Those who continue to hold fast her false doctrines like trinity have never left her.
So Christ's death is not your salvation? It is some work that YOU do?Paul said:
Quote For if righteousness comes through the law then Christ is dead in vain.” Paul also said:
Quote Praise be to God for His unspeakable GIFT.” The real “murderers” are those who deny free salvation to men whether they be Catholic or non-Catholic. You are in CA's camp more than you know Nick.
thinker
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 03 2009,08:30) Hi TT,
Mother and daughters.
In an ongoing murderous family dispute
Those who continue to hold fast her false doctrines like trinity have never left her.
If I have never “left her” then why has she disowned me?
thinker
Nick,
Neither you or anyone else here can overcome the Protestant “grace alone and “faith alone” principles. It was good you gave up early. It saved us both some time.thinker
Hi TT,
They are just catholicism in drag.
If they ditched the catholic trinity as unbiblical you could take them seriously.Quote (thethinker @ Sep. 03 2009,10:37) Nick,
Neither you or anyone else here can overcome the Protestant “grace alone and “faith alone” principles. It was good you gave up early. It saved us both some time.thinker
So you believe as Martin Luther preached that The Pope is the Anti-Christ?Quote (thethinker @ Sep. 03 2009,08:24) Nick said: Quote Hi CA,
In Christ there are no protestant or catholic denominations.
Christ is not divided.What is a Protestant? Many think that one is either a Catholic or a Protestant. But this is not the case for one may be a non-Catholic and still not be a Protestant. Almost all members on this board are non-Catholic. But they are not protestants because they hold to a works-salvation program of some kind.
A Protestant is one who believes that salvation is by grace alone and that justification is by faith alone. If you add any work at all to this rule you are not a Protestant. I believe in grace alone and in faith alone. I am a Protestant in the truest and most pure sense of the term. Only the consistent Protestant has the true and unadulterated new covenant gospel.thinker
Generally a Protestant is someone who “protests” against the Catholic church.Specifically a Protestant is someone who holds to the five tenets (sola's) of the Protestant Reformation/Revolt of the 1500's:
1. Sola scriptura (“by Scripture alone”)
2. Sola fide (“by faith alone”)
3. Sola gratia (“by grace alone”)
4. Solus Christus or Solo Christo (“Christ alone” or “through Christ alone”)
5. Soli Deo gloria (“glory to God alone”)Hi CA,
What does it matter is one worldly structure rebels against another?
Neither is of the kingdom of God.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 03 2009,10:51) Hi TT,
They are just catholicism in drag.
If they ditched the catholic trinity as unbiblical you could take them seriously.
Nick,
Get off the trinity subject dude! The Protestant Reformation was not about that and you show your are uneducated by talking about the trinity here.thinker
Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 03 2009,15:14) Quote (thethinker @ Sep. 03 2009,10:37) Nick,
Neither you or anyone else here can overcome the Protestant “grace alone and “faith alone” principles. It was good you gave up early. It saved us both some time.thinker
So you believe as Martin Luther preached that The Pope is the Anti-Christ?
The antichrist came and went long before the Pope appeared. And please stick to the subject. Do you believe that justification is by faith alone? Or do you trust in your own works for your salvation?thinker
Quote (CatholicApologist @ Sep. 03 2009,17:09) Quote (thethinker @ Sep. 03 2009,08:24) Nick said: Quote Hi CA,
In Christ there are no protestant or catholic denominations.
Christ is not divided.What is a Protestant? Many think that one is either a Catholic or a Protestant. But this is not the case for one may be a non-Catholic and still not be a Protestant. Almost all members on this board are non-Catholic. But they are not protestants because they hold to a works-salvation program of some kind.
A Protestant is one who believes that salvation is by grace alone and that justification is by faith alone. If you add any work at all to this rule you are not a Protestant. I believe in grace alone and in faith alone. I am a Protestant in the truest and most pure sense of the term. Only the consistent Protestant has the true and unadulterated new covenant gospel.thinker
Generally a Protestant is someone who “protests” against the Catholic church.Specifically a Protestant is someone who holds to the five tenets (sola's) of the Protestant Reformation/Revolt of the 1500's:
1. Sola scriptura (“by Scripture alone”)
2. Sola fide (“by faith alone”)
3. Sola gratia (“by grace alone”)
4. Solus Christus or Solo Christo (“Christ alone” or “through Christ alone”)
5. Soli Deo gloria (“glory to God alone”)
Justification by faith alone was the chief issue. A Protestant specifically is one who confesses grace alone and faith alone.thinker
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 03 2009,19:59) Hi TT,
You hold catholic beliefs.
Why?
Do you believe that your filthy works can save you? Or do you rest in Christ's completed work on the cross for you?thinker
Hi TT,
Catholic by another name?
Why not protest about their abuse of scripture that led to such folly?Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 03 2009,20:11) Hi TT,
Catholic by another name?
Why not protest about their abuse of scripture that led to such folly?
And what about you? Your belief that baptism saves is also a Catholic doctrine. So you can wear the Catholic label too. If you want to talk about the Protestant “faith alone” principle the please do. If not, then let this thread die of natural causes.thinker
Quote (thethinker @ Sep. 03 2009,19:59) Quote (CatholicApologist @ Sep. 03 2009,17:09) Quote (thethinker @ Sep. 03 2009,08:24) Nick said: Quote Hi CA,
In Christ there are no protestant or catholic denominations.
Christ is not divided.What is a Protestant? Many think that one is either a Catholic or a Protestant. But this is not the case for one may be a non-Catholic and still not be a Protestant. Almost all members on this board are non-Catholic. But they are not protestants because they hold to a works-salvation program of some kind.
A Protestant is one who believes that salvation is by grace alone and that justification is by faith alone. If you add any work at all to this rule you are not a Protestant. I believe in grace alone and in faith alone. I am a Protestant in the truest and most pure sense of the term. Only the consistent Protestant has the true and unadulterated new covenant gospel.thinker
Generally a Protestant is someone who “protests” against the Catholic church.Specifically a Protestant is someone who holds to the five tenets (sola's) of the Protestant Reformation/Revolt of the 1500's:
1. Sola scriptura (“by Scripture alone”)
2. Sola fide (“by faith alone”)
3. Sola gratia (“by grace alone”)
4. Solus Christus or Solo Christo (“Christ alone” or “through Christ alone”)
5. Soli Deo gloria (“glory to God alone”)
Justification by faith alone was the chief issue. A Protestant specifically is one who confesses grace alone and faith alone.thinker
Well all Catholics are bound to believe in Grace Alone. But we're not protestant.As for faith alone, don't you think it is strange that the only place in Scripture where “faith alone” appear together is in the book of James…and it says that we are not justified by faith alone?
Silly doctrine.
CA said:
Quote Well all Catholics are bound to believe in Grace Alone. But we're not protestant. As for faith alone, don't you think it is strange that the only place in Scripture where “faith alone” appear together is in the book of James…and it says that we are not justified by faith alone?
Silly doctrine.
CA,
First you say that all Catholics are bound to believe in grace alone and then you turn around and say that faith alone is a “silly doctrine.” How can this be seeing that Paul said that faith is according to grace?Quote Therefore, it is of faith that it might be according to grace (Romans 4:16)
So explain how you can confess grace alone and at the same time deny faith alone when faith is according to grace.The epistle of James was written BEFORE Paul came with his faith alone gospel. The people of God were still under the law when James was written. Paul came later and ushered in the new covenant “faith alone” standard. Paul repealed the law thus abrogating the teaching of James. In other words, James' works method of justification was true when James was written. Therefore, works-justification is not true today.
thinker
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