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Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 25 2014,13:32) Quote (journey42 @ Jan. 25 2014,08:11) Rev 10:10 And I took the little book out of the angel's hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter.
JAS 3:11 Does a fountain send out from the same opening both fresh and bitter water?did you ever see it or heard of
T.Is that your sneaky way to get the answer?
Why not just ask?wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 25 2014,09:13) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 25 2014,13:32) Quote (journey42 @ Jan. 25 2014,08:11) Rev 10:10 And I took the little book out of the angel's hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter.
JAS 3:11 Does a fountain send out from the same opening both fresh and bitter water?did you ever see it or heard of
T.Is that your sneaky way to get the answer?
Why not just ask?wakeup.
WQuote w agreed , so give me the answer on how you see that out of the same source of water comes ; love and evil
soft water and bitter water
THIS IS ME ASKING
THE REST IS YOUR ANSWER REVELATION 10;10
TO THAT MY ANSWER RESPOND JAMES 3;11
GOT IT
terraricca,Jan. wrote:[/quote]
Quote JAS 3:11 Does a fountain send out from the same opening both fresh and bitter water?did you ever see it or heard of
PierreJames 3:10 Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be.
We are compared to a fountain here.
As a fountain cannot spurt out clean water, and filthy water at the same time,
we are required to spurt out clean water only.In other words, no blessing God, and cursing men in the same breath.
It's about us behaving, not about God.
Colossians 4:6 Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man.
Titus 2:8 Sound speech, that cannot be condemned; that he that is of the contrary part may be ashamed, having no evil thing to say of you.
Quote (journey42 @ Jan. 25 2014,13:49) terraricca,Jan. wrote:[/quote]
Quote JAS 3:11 Does a fountain send out from the same opening both fresh and bitter water?did you ever see it or heard of
PierreJames 3:10 Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be.
We are compared to a fountain here.
As a fountain cannot spurt out clean water, and filthy water at the same time,
we are required to spurt out clean water only.In other words, no blessing God, and cursing men in the same breath.
It's about us behaving, not about God.
Colossians 4:6 Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man.
Titus 2:8 Sound speech, that cannot be condemned; that he that is of the contrary part may be ashamed, having no evil thing to say of you.
J42You are driving the conversation away from my original question,
Did God created ,evil
And be love at the same time ,you have said yes so are you sure Quote (seekingtruth @ Nov. 16 2012,10:34) Guncher, welcome to Heaven net. I agree that this teaching goes against the character of God but you cannot overlook the justice of God. Below is what I arrived at after years of searching:
Hell – Many teach that nearly all the people who have ever lived will suffer in eternal torment in hell. This has been based on a translation of the word aion which has translated as eternal, everlasting, forever this is offered as the proof within the scriptures that punishment goes on forever,
However the translation for aion only means endless when it derives its meaning or endlessness from the nature of the subject to which it is connected. Best translated as “The entirety of time for the object being discussed”. Hence when applied to God it is certainly to be considered unending, when applied to smoke rising, until the consumption of the item being burned, and to the torment of the wicked, until all has been paid. God will not torture a non-believer for eternity
For those being punished, the punishment will be proportional to their “sins” ending in annihilation. Eternal life is promised to believers and gifted to adherents, it is not something possessed by all of mankind. Eternal torment is not torment for eternity but torment to completion with eternal consequences. This concept is in keeping with the justice that God requires but with the Love that God is.Lake of Fire – I believe that when sin was first found in satan it was only apparent to God. The trouble was God knew that the sin in satan would spread and ruin all of Heaven itself. So He created the Lake of Fire to destroy the irredeemable (which I believe that those exposed to Gods glory and still allow sin a place cannot be redeemed). But if He were to throw satan in prior to his sins being apparent to the rest of Heavens inhabitants, they would not see the Love and Justice of God as obviously satan was popular and I do not believe that satan had done anything openly evil (something Heaven’s inhabitants probably didn't understand anyway).
I believe it was at this point God created man with the express purpose of exposing what sin would do if allowed to run unchecked and to show the length He would go and the price He would pay to redeem His creation if it was possible.
We know that God has His faithful angels and we're told satan has his but I believe that there are still those sitting on the fence. In Revelation where we are told that war breaks out in heaven and this is where I think the host of heaven has had their fill of satan's ways and expel him and his from heaven.
As Christ begins His reign, satan will be thrown into the abyss. After a thousand years he will be released from his prison to further demonstrate both the inclination of flesh to sin and why satan cannot be redeemed and has to be thrown into the lake of fire.
Now God, who would have been reduced in stature had He have tried to explain His actions, is glorified for His; Grace, Wisdom, Holiness, Love and Forgiveness. He has also gained more sons proven through fire than He lost to satan.
My opinion – Wm
Wm.This is one of the best posts I have read in this forum. Well done for your research and your earnest search for truth.
YES IT IS GOOD BUT IS ONLY RELATED TO THE LAKE OF FIRE WHO IS THE FINAL JUDGEMENT TO THOSE THAT HAVE REFUSED HIS GRACE,
AND I DO NOT BELIEVE IN THE DESTRUCTION OF ALL THOSE THAT HAVE DIED BEFORE OR AFTER CHRIST TO BE DOOMED FOR THE LAKE OF FIRE ,WITHOUT PRIOR TO BE JUDGED BY RIGHTEOUSNESS
Quote (journey42 @ Jan. 25 2014,13:49) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 25 2014,13:32) Quote JAS 3:11 Does a fountain send out from the same opening both fresh and bitter water?did you ever see it or heard of
PierreJames 3:10 Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be.
We are compared to a fountain here.
As a fountain cannot spurt out clean water, and filthy water at the same time,
we are required to spurt out clean water only.In other words, no blessing God, and cursing men in the same breath.
It's about us behaving, not about God.
Colossians 4:6 Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man.
Titus 2:8 Sound speech, that cannot be condemned; that he that is of the contrary part may be ashamed, having no evil thing to say of you.
J42BUT YOU SAY THAT GOD CREATED “GOOD ' AND “EVIL”
BOTH THOSE THINGS COME OUT OF GODS WORD ,YOU SAY ,
SO ,EITHER YOU GIVE ME SCRIPTURES TO SUPPORT THAT GOD CREATED GOOD AND EVIL AND THAT IT IS ALSO THOUGHT IN SCRIPTURES THAT HE DID BY HIS LOVE,KINDNESS,MERCIFUL,RIGHTEOUSNESS AND SO ON,
OR YOU ADMIT THAT THE WORD EVIL IS A BAD TRANSLATION OF THAT WORD IN GREEK WERE IT REFERS TO GOD
terraricca,Jan. wrote:[/quote]
Quote J42 BUT YOU SAY THAT GOD CREATED “GOOD ' AND “EVIL”
BOTH THOSE THINGS COME OUT OF GODS WORD ,YOU SAY ,
SO ,EITHER YOU GIVE ME SCRIPTURES TO SUPPORT THAT GOD CREATED GOOD AND EVIL AND THAT IT IS ALSO THOUGHT IN SCRIPTURES THAT HE DID BY HIS LOVE,KINDNESS,MERCIFUL,RIGHTEOUSNESS AND SO ON,
Pierre,How many times do we need to show you?
Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
Quote OR YOU ADMIT THAT THE WORD EVIL IS A BAD TRANSLATION OF THAT WORD IN GREEK WERE IT REFERS TO GOD
No, you have accepted the doctrine that came out of Egypt, not I. The scribes returned there to be in bondage again, not only them, but to put all into bondage again.If you read old testament in Jeremiah, God warned them not to return to Egypt, that was before Christ, and before Nebachudnezzar yes, but God was always against them going back there.
Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
God called Jerusalem Sodom and Egypt. Think about it?
Those scribes who translated and gave you your bibles after Christ, are still serving those same Gods of Egypt in secret. They never accepted Christ then, and still to this day have denied him. They are antichrist. Remember the devil does not come straight for you where you can see him, he distracts you then comes through the back door.Matthew 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
Matthew 23:15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
Matthew 23:25 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.
Matthew 23:27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.
Matthew 23:39 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,
Jeremiah 24:9 And I will deliver them to be removed into all the kingdoms of the earth for their hurt, to be a reproach and a proverb, a taunt and a curse, in all places whither I shall drive them.
Acts 11:22 Then tidings of these things came unto the ears of the church which was in Jerusalem: and they sent forth Barnabas, that he should go as far as Antioch.
Acts 11:27 And in these days came prophets from Jerusalem unto Antioch.I reject the “manuscripts” that came out of the land of bondage. As simple as that. The truth did not come out of Egypt, but Antioch where the apostles were sent.
I have compared the Egypt fragments, to the KJV, and found them lacking. A counterfeit. So you believe them if you want, but I will still declare the Word of God is truth, and that God created evil, just like he said he did. Too bad if you cannot understand it, it's your loss. You can have the fairy floss.Quote (journey42 @ Jan. 26 2014,07:39) terraricca,Jan. wrote:[/quote]
Quote J42 BUT YOU SAY THAT GOD CREATED “GOOD ' AND “EVIL”
BOTH THOSE THINGS COME OUT OF GODS WORD ,YOU SAY ,
SO ,EITHER YOU GIVE ME SCRIPTURES TO SUPPORT THAT GOD CREATED GOOD AND EVIL AND THAT IT IS ALSO THOUGHT IN SCRIPTURES THAT HE DID BY HIS LOVE,KINDNESS,MERCIFUL,RIGHTEOUSNESS AND SO ON,
Pierre,How many times do we need to show you?
Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
Quote OR YOU ADMIT THAT THE WORD EVIL IS A BAD TRANSLATION OF THAT WORD IN GREEK WERE IT REFERS TO GOD
No, you have accepted the doctrine that came out of Egypt, not I. The scribes returned there to be in bondage again, not only them, but to put all into bondage again.If you read old testament in Jeremiah, God warned them not to return to Egypt, that was before Christ, and before Nebachudnezzar yes, but God was always against them going back there.
Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
God called Jerusalem Sodom and Egypt. Think about it?
Those scribes who translated and gave you your bibles after Christ, are still serving those same Gods of Egypt in secret. They never accepted Christ then, and still to this day have denied him. They are antichrist. Remember the devil does not come straight for you where you can see him, he distracts you then comes through the back door.Matthew 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
Matthew 23:15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
Matthew 23:25 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.
Matthew 23:27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.
Matthew 23:39 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,
Jeremiah 24:9 And I will deliver them to be removed into all the kingdoms of the earth for their hurt, to be a reproach and a proverb, a taunt and a curse, in all places whither I shall drive them.
Acts 11:22 Then tidings of these things came unto the ears of the church which was in Jerusalem: and they sent forth Barnabas, that he should go as far as Antioch.
Acts 11:27 And in these days came prophets from Jerusalem unto Antioch.I reject the “manuscripts” that came out of the land of bondage. As simple as that. The truth did not come out of Egypt, but Antioch where the apostles were sent.
I have compared the Egypt fragments, to the KJV, and found them lacking. A counterfeit. So you believe them if you want, but I will still declare the Word of God is truth, and that God created evil, just like he said he did. Too bad if you cannot understand it, it's your loss. You can have the fairy floss.
j42your scriptures are lying to it self because HOW COULD OUT THE SAME SOURCE COME GOOD AND BAD
UNTILL YOU SOLVE THAT PROBLEME YOU ARE IN THE WRONG ;
IT IS NOT BY SAYING THAY'S FINE WITH ME ” THAT YOUR PROBLEM IS SOLVE ;THE WICKED DOES THAY ASWELL ;
YOU ARE OUT OF THE TRUTH OF GOD ;
NO NEED MORE TO DISCUSS UNTIL YOU HAVE CHANGE TO THE TRUTH
T.
How can Jesus come back; and destroy billions of women and children/babies? The cities of the *nations* are no more.
Please explain: And dont use your old trick,by saying .
*I have explained many times*
*but you can not understand*.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 26 2014,09:30) T. How can Jesus come back; and destroy billions of women and children/babies? The cities of the *nations* are no more.
Please explain: And dont use your old trick,by saying .
*I have explained many times*
*but you can not understand*.wakeup.
WIT IS TRUE TO YOU I CANNOT EXPLAIN IT
Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 26 2014,16:38) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 26 2014,09:30) T. How can Jesus come back; and destroy billions of women and children/babies? The cities of the *nations* are no more.
Please explain: And dont use your old trick,by saying .
*I have explained many times*
*but you can not understand*.wakeup.
WIT IS TRUE TO YOU I CANNOT EXPLAIN IT
T.This is not true to you?
Is this a lie?Revelation 14:19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the ***great winepress of the wrath of God***.
Revelation 14:20 And the winepress was trodden without the city, ***and blood came out of the winepress, even unto
the horse bridles***,
by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.BLOOD;MANS BLOOD.(God is Good).
wakeup.
terraricca,Jan. wrote:[/quote]
Quote j42 your scriptures are lying to it self because HOW COULD OUT THE SAME SOURCE COME GOOD AND BAD
PierreJust because God created good and evil, does not make him evil? Understand?
God, our heavenly Father, who is the Master planner, so cleverly designed evil as a magnet. A simple tool to draw the wicked to one side,
and separate them from the good?E v i l i s a t o o l.
Evil is used as a resistance for the God fearing,
so we can exercise our self control and say no to the bad.
So we can CHOOSE.
How can we choose if it's not there?
How then do we compare light to darkness?Quote UNTILL YOU SOLVE THAT PROBLEME YOU ARE IN THE WRONG ;
It has already been solved, which is why I am explaining it to you. We need to trust everything that comes out of the mouth of God, and not by blind faith, but by understanding his meaning, and his purpose.Quote IT IS NOT BY SAYING THAY'S FINE WITH ME ” THAT YOUR PROBLEM IS SOLVE ;THE WICKED DOES THAY ASWELL ; The wicked can never solve the truth of the scriptures. It is forbidden of them. The proud are not permitted to pick up the treasures,
they can only pick up stones.Quote YOU ARE OUT OF THE TRUTH OF GOD ;
You are exercise for me.Quote NO NEED MORE TO DISCUSS UNTIL YOU HAVE CHANGE TO THE TRUTH
Well why did you ask then?Quote (journey42 @ Jan. 26 2014,22:23) terraricca,Jan. wrote:[/quote]
Quote j42 your scriptures are lying to it self because HOW COULD OUT THE SAME SOURCE COME GOOD AND BAD
PierreJust because God created good and evil, does not make him evil? Understand?
God, our heavenly Father, who is the Master planner, so cleverly designed evil as a magnet. A simple tool to draw the wicked to one side,
and separate them from the good?E v i l i s a t o o l.
Evil is used as a resistance for the God fearing,
so we can exercise our self control and say no to the bad.
So we can CHOOSE.
How can we choose if it's not there?
How then do we compare light to darkness?Quote UNTILL YOU SOLVE THAT PROBLEME YOU ARE IN THE WRONG ;
It has already been solved, which is why I am explaining it to you. We need to trust everything that comes out of the mouth of God, and not by blind faith, but by understanding his meaning, and his purpose.Quote IT IS NOT BY SAYING THAY'S FINE WITH ME ” THAT YOUR PROBLEM IS SOLVE ;THE WICKED DOES THAY ASWELL ; The wicked can never solve the truth of the scriptures. It is forbidden of them. The proud are not permitted to pick up the treasures,
they can only pick up stones.Quote YOU ARE OUT OF THE TRUTH OF GOD ;
You are exercise for me.Quote NO NEED MORE TO DISCUSS UNTIL YOU HAVE CHANGE TO THE TRUTH
Well why did you ask then?
j42Quote Just because God created good and evil, does not make him evil? Understand? no ,i do not understand ,because God told me that the sour waters and clear water do not come out of the same source,
Lk 16:13 No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.
Lk 16:15 He said to them, “You are the ones who justify yourselves in the eyes of men, but God knows your hearts. What is highly valued among men is detestable in God’s sight.you preach corruption,
T.
You preach a god that you dont know.
You preach a Jesus that you dont know.
You preach a gospel that you dont understand.
You preach your own gospel,inspired by
the god of this world.
A white washed sepulchre.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 27 2014,12:32) T. You preach a god that you dont know.
You preach a Jesus that you dont know.
You preach a gospel that you dont understand.
You preach your own gospel,inspired by
the god of this world.
A white washed sepulchre.wakeup.
WNO SCRIPTURES ONLY OPINIONS ,NON SENSE
Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 27 2014,18:07) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 27 2014,12:32) T. You preach a god that you dont know.
You preach a Jesus that you dont know.
You preach a gospel that you dont understand.
You preach your own gospel,inspired by
the god of this world.
A white washed sepulchre.wakeup.
WNO SCRIPTURES ONLY OPINIONS ,NON SENSE
T.Terra's evidence before the judge.
And I wakeup have brought forth all the evidence
before the judge,as stated below.QUOTE.
1. In the beginning was the word and the word was AGOD.
UNQUOTE.2.QUOTE.
The word can never be a person.UNQUOTE.3.QUOTE.
God CAN NOT create evil.UNQUOTE.4.QUOTE.
Jesus is only to be honoured,not worshipped.UNQUOTE.5.QUOTE.
There is no great tribulation but our own tribulations
during our life times.UNQUOTE.QUOTE.
6.Jesus is a creature.UNQUOTE.QUOTE.
7. God can not forsee the future.UNQUOTE.QUOTE.
8.God has not preseved His word.
We need to read more than one bible to find
the truth.UNQUOTE.QUOTE.
9.The jews Are finished since 70ad.
God is not dealing with the jews anymore.UNQUOTE.QUOTE.
10.Jesus is not the first born from the dead,but the first
born of all creatures.UNQUOTE.QUOTE.
11. THe scriptures are not important,but just have faith in
your heart and obey the Lord.QUOTE.
12. There is no such as eating Jesus flesh,and drinking his
blood,we are not to eat and drink blood.These are Terra's statements put before the judge.
wakeup.
terraricca,Jan. wrote:[/quote]
Quote no ,i do not understand ,because God told me that the sour waters and clear water do not come out of the same source,
Where did he say that? and was it about him or us,
and what was the meaning behind the scripture?Quote (journey42 @ Jan. 27 2014,17:13) terraricca,Jan. wrote:[/quote]
Quote no ,i do not understand ,because God told me that the sour waters and clear water do not come out of the same source,
Where did he say that? and was it about him or us,
and what was the meaning behind the scripture?
JAS 3:11 Does a fountain send out from the same opening both fresh and bitter water?did you ever see it or heard of
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