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Kerwin.
When I say christians I meant true christians.
There are many luke warm christians that have been mesmerized by their shepherds.
This is the reason that they have to go through affliction by fire.(the tribulation).
They must go through the test, to prove their true love for God is more, then love for self.
We must worship God in truth;not just words and praises,and songs.wakeup.
SonofGod.
Here is scriptural evidence that The son is from everlasting.
Isaiah 9:6
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given:
and the government shall be upon his shoulder:
and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor,
*The mighty God*, **The everlasting Father**, The Prince of Peace.We have one Fateher in heaven,which is from everlasting.
There is no second.Proverbs 8:22 The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.
Proverbs 8:23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.
wakeup.
wakeup,
I would have a hard time coming to your conclusion from those verses.
Since God has foreknowledge and speaks of those things which be not as though they were,
Romans 4:17
(As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.
Isaiah 9:6 was prophetic, not a present reality in the time of Isaiah
Was Abraham a father of many nations at the time that God promised him that?
Not at all, that would not happen for some generations in the future, yet God spoke of it as a present reality.
As far as:
Proverbs 8:22 The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.
Proverbs 8:23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.
It is clear that the figure of speech personification is used here.
Unless we recognize figures of speech and their importance, we will miss out on some great truths.
Jesus spoke of stones crying out during one of his entries into Jerusalem.
Kerwin.
The Word is spirit,and was made flesh;was transformed, from spirit to flesh.
HE was spirit, and that same HE,was then flesh.
HIS birth was not his beginning,but the beginning of HIS flesh appearance.
The flesh had a beginning,but not the spirit.We are born and given the breath of life,so did Jesus.
But the HS was his spirit.The spirit of HIS flesh,is just to serve His Father only.
Only live to follow the will of His Father.
We; have to go through life to develop our spirit of the flesh.Little children have little desires.
Grown up children have more desires, men have greater desires;some evil desires.Some have grown into good persons,and some not. Some have changed from bad to good.
Some from good to bad. It is our deeds that will be judged.We are what we do.
What we are as a person;which is the soul of a person.
The soul can change;from good to bad, or vice – versa.wakeup.
Hi SonofGod.
The book of isaiah is all prophecy.
The fact is, and we know, that the Son is Jesus,and it states that He is from everlasting.
And also the Mighty God.John states that The word was made flesh=the Son.
He also said that in the beginning was the Word.
This should not be understood as a mystery.
Because it is not.wakeup.
Wakeup,
The Word is spirit,and was made flesh;was transformed, from spirit to flesh.
You keep repeating these words but you are not harmonizing them with the words of Romans 1:3 and Galatians 4:4. As it sits your word are in opposition to Scripture.
It is not the only claim you make that seems to be clearly in opposition to Scripture.
HIS birth was not his beginning,but the beginning of HIS flesh appearance.
His birth was not his beginning as he lived nine months or so inside his mother before that. Matthew 1:1 speaks of “the book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham” and so tells us about the orgins of Jesus Christ. In short the angels words to both Joseph and Mary, Jesus’ conception, and birth were all part of his creation/beginning as generate in this use means the production of a person as humans are produced by being conceived and born.
Kerwin.
Why are my words in opposition?
Where is the contradiction?
Can you explain?Who was made flesh?
wakeup.
Wakeup,
You seem to believe because the word was called he that it is a male but that is not always the case in English. There was a time when men a called ships of the ocean and hurricanes she though that is now politically incorrect. The word spoken of in John 1 is the word that comes out of the mouth of God and it has the same qualities of God though it is not God. It is made clear it is not God because it was with God in the beginning, just as the story of Creation testifies. It is those qualities of God that were made flesh and that flesh is Jesus Christ, who originated by God and then formed by him in the body of Mary.
In other places Scripture tells us Jesus is the qualities of God by using words like form, image, nature, representative, etc. Trinitarians and others misinterpret these passage either because they are corrupt or because they lack knowledge.
Either Jesus Christ originated when the angels said he was conceived or he originated earlier as each being has only one origin if any.
Either Jesus Christ’s body was transformed from the body of another creature or it was made of Mary’s not both.
Hi SonofGod.
The book of isaiah is all prophecy.
The fact is, and we know, that the Son is Jesus,and it states that He is from everlasting.
And also the Mighty God.John states that The word was made flesh=the Son.
He also said that in the beginning was the Word.
This should not be understood as a mystery.
Because it is not.wakeup.
Yes, all scripture is prophecy.
Do you have a scripture? or am I to take your word for it?
El can easily be translated “mighty one” thus is a very general term for one who is mighty.
God is a might one, the mighty one. Jesus Christ, the son of God, the prophet of God, is a mighty one. Moses was mighty, Acts 7:22, Apollos was mighty Acts 18:24, John the Baptist was mighty, the same word translated mighty one in Isaiah 9:6 is used of both evil and good men in the OT, Jesus Christ was most certainly a mighty one for God.
Who are what was the word that was with God in the beginning?
What ever else it was in the beginning, it was with God, but not God.
John 1:1-2
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
What is this “same” that was in the beginning with God?
Jesus had a beginning, a birth, a gennesis, just like John the Baptist had a gennesis.
Matthew 1:18
Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.
Luke 1:14
And thou shalt have joy and gladness; and many shall rejoice at his birth.
John was not alive before his conception and birth and neither was Jesus .
Both were prophesied of in the old T, but being foreknown by God, and prophesied of does not mean that some one was alive before their conception and birth.
Being foreknown by God certainly does not mean anyone was alive before their conception and birth and rebirth, for even all Christians were foreknown and foreordained by God just like Jesus Christ was.
Kewin.
To you; God’s word is just his spoken word.
Here is scriptural proof that you are wrong.Revelation 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
Revelation 19:12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
Revelation 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: ***and his name is called The Word OF GOD***.
Revelation 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
Revelation 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
Revelation 19:16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
Revelation 19:17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the
The Word of God is coming with a sword in His mouth.
He is Lord of Lords and king of Kings.He also said : I am Alpha and Omega.
That was dead and Am alive for ever more.
THAT SAME WORD WAS WITH GOD,IN THE BEGINNING.wakeup.
SonofGod.
Can you explain this?
This is about the beginning.1.In the beginning was the Word.(the Word of God).He is a living Word.
2.And the Word was WITH God. Who was with God?
(with God;not In God).
3.All things were made by HIM. Who was HE?
4.Without HIM was not anything made that was made. He created all things before His birth on earth.That was Speaking of the Word,the HIM. The man Jesus was not yet.
Jesus was only, when the word was made flesh.wakeup.
Kerwin.
Please explain.
Is the head of the church a male or female?
Take your pick, or seek their advice first; and then make your pick.wakeup.
SonofGod.
Can you explain this?
This is about the beginning.1.In the beginning was the Word.(the Word of God).He is a living Word.
2.And the Word was WITH God. Who was with God?
(with God;not In God).
3.All things were made by HIM. Who was HE?
4.Without HIM was not anything made that was made. He created all things before His birth on earth.That was Speaking of the Word,the HIM. The man Jesus was not yet.
Jesus was only, when the word was made flesh.wakeup.
The KJV and many others read as follows:
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.Yes, I can explain it.
Thanks for asking
sonofgod
Sonof God.
Did God preexist himself?
Really? Preexist? Some one existed before they existed?
Either they existed or they did not exist
You are speaking of the World,bound by time.
God is not in our timezone.God is not bound by time, but Jesus Christ was and is. He is God’s only begotten son, the male human offspring of God, not God himself
Jesus Christ came in the flesh. There is no other possibility.
I John 4:2-3
Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.Jesus Christ did not become flesh, the word became flesh.
Jesus Christ came in the flesh
sonofgod
SonofGod.
So what is it that you disagree?
wakeup.
Did Jesus Christ “preexist”? IF Jesus Christ was alive in some form before his birth and conception, Matthew 1:18, then he was not human, for all humans had a beginning starting with the formation of a body and the addition of soul.
No human was changed from a spirit being to become flesh.
However, the word became flesh, but the word that became flesh was not a living entity, but the word of God, basically, the scriptures.
Scripture is the logos, the word of God. God’s words. And Jesus is the word of God become flesh.
Hence he is called “the word of God” in Revelation 19:13
And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
He is not God, but the word of God become flesh.
Whenever the word of God is believed it is evident to the five senses of someone, it becomes flesh.
When you pray and believe to receive, your reception of the answer to your prayer is the word of God evidenced, it becomes flesh, it becomes real in a man’s life, not just words on a page.
Jesus Christ did not “preexist”.
His beginning is given in Matthew 1:18
Sonof God.
The temple of God had a beginning,and He was called Jesus,the son of God.
Jesus said that he is that bread from heaven.
That means that He was; before his birth. He also had glory with God in heaven.wakeup.
Wakeup,
In the way of the flesh Jesus was made of a woman who was a seed of David. That was his origin and he is a male. The word came before Scripture declares Jesus Christ began and some English translation address him as a male. Jesus Christ is the head of the church and is called by name of the word that existed before he began.
Scripture tells us the Word was made flesh and that the flesh of Jesus was made of Mary, a descendant of David.
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