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Nick,
So Paul is incorrect and their is a third way is grace because you declare it so?
The grace you teach is clearly not that Paul teaches or you world know that it is by the grace of God each human being is created either a noble vessel or a common one. You would know that it is by the grace of God that each person has a change to reach out and find God. It is by grace of God that the Spirit is given to those that believe. It is by God grace that those that choose are empowered to walk according to the Spirit.
Never the less the fact remains that a believe can either choose to walk according to the Spirit or according to the Flesh.
Whether a human has truly received the gift of grace from God is revealed by their actions which is why Jesus stated “you will know them by their fruit”.
Hi KW,
Jesus Christ is full of grace and truth.
You deny grace and put words in the mouth of Paul that he did not say.
Nick,
The law is sufficient to become clean as proven by Jesus of Nazareth
Paul teaches otherwise because he teaches thee carnal nature of man, i.e. sin in man, prevents the Law from anyone clean. Instead it is God’s grace the works through their faith in the message that makes allows them to receive the Spirit. (Galatians 3:2,5)
Nick,
Some believe the absurd teaching that Jesus did not a carnal nature, aka. flesh and sin in him. They even quote where it states “no sin was found” even though it is a misuse of those words. I know of no where it is literally written Jesus had a carnal nature but the fact he was tempted even as we are reveals that he did. In other words it is an implied teaching that must be true for the words “he was tempted as we are” to be true.
Hi KW,
So by grace Jesus fulfilled the Law.
By grace we are saved.
And this led to him being filled with the Spirit.
Nick,
Those words are a non answer since all things come by the grace of God.
Those that walk according to the Spirit fulfill the righteous requirements of the Law. Never they do it by grace or it would not occur.
Your theology is that he did it without the Spirit of God before he was immersed in the Jordan.
Paul teaches it is impossible to overcome sin without the Spirit.
Your theology is that he did it without the Spirit of God before he was immersed in the Jordan.
Paul teaches it is impossible to overcome sin without the Spirit.
Nick,
You appear to be ignoring Kerwin’s point. Will you please address Kerwin’s point?
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God bless
Ed JNick,
As Ed pointed out you did not actually answer me as I did not say he was not born under the Law. Instead I stated he meant the righteousness of the Law by walking according to the Spirit.
Romans 6:14Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
Sin did not have dominion over Jesus so he was not under the law in the sense of Romans 6:14 and yet he was in the sense he was born under the Law.
Nick,
Your response reveals you did not understand the words of Romans 6:14 nor by words based on it.
Paul declares sin has no dominion over those that under grace while it has dominion over those that are under the Law.
Do you believe the words “made under the Law” mean that sin had dominion over Jesus when he was formed in his mother’s womb?
Hi KW,
Jesus said he is an overcomer.rev 3
Scripture says he was born under the law.
Do you still think the law was ineffectual ?
Do you still believe that grace is insufficient?
Nick,
You fail to answer my question. What are you afraid of?
Do you believe the words “made under the Law” mean that sin had dominion over Jesus when he was formed in his mother’s womb?
Nick,
I know the Law is ineffectual; made so by the fact sin is in each and every mortal human being.
Paul being carried along by the Spirit said so and therefore it is for God does not lie.
Nick,
Do you still believe that grace is insufficient?
You either fail to believe what is written or do not understand it because this is an absurd question given what is written.
This is because with one side of your mouth you claim Jesus lived under the Law and with other that he was under grace but Paul writes that the two are in conflict.
Romans 6:15Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
Hi KW,
Why do you quote the words of Paul as if they apply to all men?
They were written to the saved.
Check the addresses
Hi KW,
Read what is written
Jesus was born of woman so Jb 25 applies to him.
He was born under the law so was not led by the Spirit till the Jordan.
He was an overcomer with no advantages over any man proving the effectiveness of law and grace .
Nick,
They are written to those that have received the Spirit but they address all humans in some way.
To those that have not received the grace that Paul speaks of they are the promise of that grace.
You though choose to claim Jesus both received and did not receive that grace.
It is admitting that you words are in conflict with one another that are avoiding.
Nick,
You are still avoiding answering my question.
This will be the third time I have asked it.
Do you believe the words “made under the Law” mean that sin had dominion over Jesus when he was formed in his mother’s womb?
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