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- May 24, 2016 at 3:45 pm#814397terrariccaParticipant
Nick
not when you are dead
May 24, 2016 at 3:57 pm#814398NickHassanParticipantHi T,
True.
But Paul was speaking of SIN IN THE FLESH not sins he had committted
May 24, 2016 at 4:49 pm#814399kerwinParticipantterrarica,
Three parts are body, soul, and spirit though they are the two parts known as inward and outward man. Each is a different ways of describing a human being.
The three parts are mentioned here and elsewhere.
1 Thessalonians 5:23Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
May 24, 2016 at 5:01 pm#814400kerwinParticipantTerrarica,
The flesh is the way I interrelate to all that is for it provides my mobility, my ability to think, the five senses of taste, touch, smell, hearing, and seeing, Some of these may be present to a certain extent in the soul but they are reduced.
The soul provides what and who I am and perhaps other things.
May 24, 2016 at 5:09 pm#814401kerwinParticipantNick,
The only man to be an overcomer was Jesus.
I am going to say not the only man but merely the first and greatest one.
1 John 2:13Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
13 I write unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I write unto you, young men, because ye have overcome the wicked one. I write unto you, little children, because ye have known the Father.
I also have not tested what you claim about Paul.
Otherwise I agree with your last two posts. I am not sure how they disagree or agree with anything I said.
May 24, 2016 at 5:14 pm#814403terrariccaParticipantKerwin
very good scripture 1Thes;5;23 do you believe this scripture as it is written or do you see a need to improve it ?the soul is you at the beginning of your life ;and only you can fill it /change it, it is change by your heart,feelings,egos,loves,knowledge,wisdom ,and all those things you seek to know and do,
when we die we go to sleep in a way ,to be waked in the resurrection the 1 or 2
all our senses are lying to us and so cannot rely on them for the truth ,
can we stop sinning ? yes we can if not Jesus would never have ask us to do so ,but do you understand what sin his ?
May 24, 2016 at 5:17 pm#814404NickHassanParticipantHi KW,
Of course a body without a spirit is dead.Jas
But you think someone can be conceived without a spirit??
May 24, 2016 at 5:22 pm#814405terrariccaParticipantNick
any man that seek God’s righteousness can stop sinning through Christ Jesus ,and it is a must to the mature believers ,for they have to preach by example ,just as Jesus did,
if you still sin after many years as a believer it is because you have not search God’s righteousness ,and so have not paired up with Jesus Christ
May 24, 2016 at 5:28 pm#814406terrariccaParticipantNick
a body without soul is dead ;
God has a soul and he never change ;
we received a soul from God and many use it very badly ,we can change our soul ways and fill it with good things
May 24, 2016 at 6:56 pm#814407Ed JParticipantEd,
Before I answer that you must understand that I am confident the title “The Spirit of Christ” is a alias for the Spirit of God
Hi Kerwin,
What makes you confident of this? Is that simply because what you choose to believe?
What evidence do you have to support this belief? As I have shown Micah 5:2
discounts your belief. But you refuse to accept what Micah 5:2 says.Which is: “the Spirit of Christ” came from everlasting to Bethlehem.
We both know “The Spirit of God” came from everlasting to Jordan,
so that CANNOT be the same spirit as you presuppose them to be.John 14:23 says “We” will come to them and make “Our” abode with them – TWO SPIRITS.
One “The Spirit of God” and two “the Spirit of Christ” which both are specified in Romans 8:9.
As we read through Romans 8:10 and Romans 8:11 we see more of this differentiation of the TWO!1) More on “the Spirit of Christ” (which states he brings righteousness into your life) …
And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. (Romans 8:10)2) And more on “The Spirit of God” (which states that He will resurrect YOU as He did Christ) …
But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead
shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.” (Romans 8:11)I personally don’t fault you and Nick for not understanding this differentiation. After all
you guys are making the same mistake Trinitarians make. They confuse Christ with God
and you guys confuse “the Spirit of Christ” with “The Spirit of God”.But what I do fault you for is being close minded to the evidence – this is truly a travesty.
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God bless
Ed JMay 24, 2016 at 7:26 pm#814410kerwinParticipantEd,
Before I heard it from you I looked at the hypothesis that you advance and found it false. Nick may remember when I did it as we had a conversation about it.
God is the source of all righteousness which is to say there is only one Spirit and it is his.
Ephesians 2:18Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
18 for through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
If you require second witness there is the meaning of the words and how they go with Jesus’ teachings of Jesus about the Comforter. He calls it both the Holy Spirit and declares God will send it in the name of Jesus Christ. Thus is from God and bears Jesus’ name and also is called the Holy Spirit.
John 14:26Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
May 24, 2016 at 7:37 pm#814411Ed JParticipantGod is the source of all righteousness which is to say there is only one Spirit and it is his.
Hi Kerwin,
Than how do you account for Jesus’ righteousness before he was baptized with “The Spirit of God” at Jordan?
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God bless
Ed JMay 24, 2016 at 7:38 pm#814412kerwinParticipantNick,
But you think someone can be conceived without a spirit?
I have no evidence a one celled human being has a soul nor do I have solid evidence I tree has a spirit. A tree does not have a soul. When God gives a human a soul he also gives them a spirit. I do not know the times of when it occurs but John knew Mary when he was but 6 months old and but not yet born.
May 24, 2016 at 9:32 pm#814413NickHassanParticipantHi KW,
So you make assumptions about Jesus from John?
Bad form.
May 25, 2016 at 6:26 am#814415kerwinParticipantTerrarica,
I believe every passage as it is written; I just don’t always believe your interpretation of it.
Sin is hate.
May 25, 2016 at 6:35 am#814416kerwinParticipantEd,
Jesus has the Holy Spirit from the time he was first tempted by sin.
The Spirit that landed on him in the form of a dove was a sign to John.
It seems reasonable he was anointed to preach the gospel and do wonders at that time as well but I no of no direct link between the two except when they occurred in time.
It is simply two different instances of the Spirit assigned by God with two different tasks. Some incorrectly assume cannot send the Spirit on as many tasks as he wants, when and where he wants. I do not limit God in that way.
May 25, 2016 at 6:38 am#814417kerwinParticipantNick,
I made no assumptions about Jesus’ words in John.
What do you think is an assumption?
May 25, 2016 at 7:11 am#814418NickHassanParticipantHi KW,
John was anointed prior to birth.
You think Jesus was too?
Are thoughts sufficient to build on?
May 25, 2016 at 10:58 am#814424terrariccaParticipantkerwin
lying is also a sin
i have ask you a simple question on two sets of scriptures and you refuse to tell me honestly what those scriptures are saying ,and you refuse ,
just on the bases of my believe ? are you serious ? you should follow the scriptures not me or me you ,
you seem not follow the scriptures but claim it ,like the pharisees
May 25, 2016 at 11:12 am#814427NickHassanParticipantHi KW,
Jesus has the Holy Spirit from the time he was first tempted by sin.
NONSENSE
SHOW IT IN SCRIPTURE
The Spirit that landed on him in the form of a dove was a sign to John.
IT WAS ALSO THE TRUTH
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