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Nick,
Yes, the soul.
Paul spoke about not wanting to be found naked.
The part of him that would be naked is the soul.
The clothes are the body.That is why is why scripture speaks of the soul going to Sheol/Hades.
Since all human beings come in the flesh it follows Jesus does.
I see no reason to debate since the idea the Spirit and Word came in the flesh is true as well.
Hi KW,
Yes the soul is saved or the soul is judged.
Sheol awaits the souls of the dead or the mansions of Christ
Yes the new body must clothe the soul. The perishable old body returns to the dust.
The word was made flesh does not refer to the creation of any man.
It just is the fulfilment of the design of God as the tabernacle takes up it’s appointed role.
Nick,
I do not believe Scripture shows a difference between Jesus and and Jesus Christ. They are used differently as the later is used to reveal he is the Christ. I think you believe Christ is speaking of the Spirit though I am not sure that is the case as Christ is a concept the Jews of that time were well familiar with and they would have taught the Gentiles. I cannot rule because of the way Paul chose to use the word Christ at times.
Nick,
I agree on your first statement but I disagree on the second though it is true in its own way. Jesus has essentially taken the same role God’s Word has and still occupies. That would be the role of the Christ though God’s word has never been called the Christ except figuratively; and that by Paul in 1 Corinthians 10:4.
Nick,
The use of “Jesus Christ” may have been aimed at Jewish heretics that teach the Christ has not come as well as Gnostics.
Hi KW,
If you do not appreciate what difference the anointing made to the man from Nazareth
then you do not believe in the amazing powers of the Spirit.
Nick,
I don’t agree with your assumption that Jesus was reborn in Spirit at the Jordan.
The rest of what you say is a derogatory statement given what I say elsewhere.
The bottom line is I doubt you are correct but neither have I tested your hypothesis. From my experience the use of words is for teaching purposes and not express ideas like you hypothesize.
Have you tested your idea and confirmed it is consistent with Scripture?
Offhand, the Son of God title is more consistent with what you want. Even then it is probably referring the the word of God and not the Spirit but it is hard to tell given as both are intertwined.
Nick,
In the whole of the four gospels he is only called Jesus Christ a handful of times and like does not even call him that any times.
Hi KW,
You seem to imagine your mind can encompass the ways of God.
Even with the use of Jewish mysticism it must fail.
Nick,
What I hear is that you are so convinced you are right that you refuse to test the spirit of what you believe.
I instead showed otherwise as I did examine what you said and what the gospels say in order to test the spirit of your words.
Are you afraid to test your own beliefs?
Hi KW.
You say
“I do not believe Scripture shows a difference between Jesus and and Jesus Christ.”
Does that give you permission to use Jesus where scripture says the anointed Jesus?
Hi KW,
Because when God uses Jesus Christ in scripture the emphasis is on the Spirit it is vital to use the words correctly.
Those who forget this can imagine a man was different to us and lived in heaven.
Hi KW,
Look at the name of this thread you started;
“Jesus came in the flesh and/or changed into flesh”
It shows ignorance by focussing on the man.
The truth is that it is all about the Spirit.
Kerwin
Terrarica,
It is not that hard to understand.
Why do you reject it?
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I had ask you this ;if you only could read what the scriptures says we could build on it ,but you don’t believe the scriptures then we have nothing to build on ,
the scriptures says ”
Col 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
Col 1:16 For through him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created through him and for him.Phil 2:6 Who, being in very nature/form of God,
did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,
Phil 2:7 but made himself nothing,
taking the very nature of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
Phil 2:8 And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
and became obedient to death—
even death on a cross!
Phil 2:9 Therefore God exalted him to the highest place
and gave him the name that is above every name,
Phil 2:10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
Phil 2:11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Fatherread those scriptures what does it say about jesus ;and please don’t add anything like opinions ;just read it and understand it no more ;
then tell me what they tell you
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and you right ;it is not difficult to understand and believe it ;but you have to change what is written to allow your detracted brain to accepted ;this is very sad indeed and since you are like this for the past 6 or 7 years I conclude that your heart has a devil component that will not leave you ,and you will never come to the truth of God ,for you fight it with all your might,
so be it ;I will have nothing to do with you nor Nick for he seem to be in the same lake than you ,so Now I have told my peace ,I now leave this forum ,for my days in forums are now over ,thank you all
Nick,
Does that give you permission to use Jesus where scripture says the anointed Jesus?
The spirit of the words gives permission not the letter.
Beware of the letter which Satan can use to deceive.
I have not known him to misuse the spirit.
Terrarica,
As Nick states, you confuse the vessel with the contents. There is an inner man and an outer man and Colossians 1 and Philippians 2 are both speaking of the inner man because he is the most important of the two.
There is a tradition to call the word that comes out of God’s mouth the logos and its the logos that Adam was made in the form of in the beginning. Jesus exists in the same form that Adam was created in. That form has been with God since the beginning for it is his word. It is an inward form and not an outward form just like the form of a servant is an inward form and not an outward form.
Jesus is the Son of God because his inward form is the Son of God and for no other reason. His inward form is the image and likeness of the word that comes out of God’s mouth. The inward man is not a being.
It is the inward man that God created all things through and not the outward man. It is outward man whose blood was shed on the cross and who is the firstborn from among the dead. The outward and inward man are in reality one man even though the inward man existed before the outward man came to be.
Biblical context
Here is the idea of the inward man and outward man that is closest to what I am using. There is a difference because the inward man of a believe is more like the image of an image and so more abstract the the image itself.
2 Corinthians 4:16New American Standard Bible (NASB)
16 Therefore we do not lose heart, but though our outer man is decaying, yet our inner man is being renewed day by day.
Nick,
It shows ignorance by [focusing] on the man.
Have you considered my audience and my point?
My audience believes that he both transformed into flesh and came into flesh.
A contradiction I chose to draw attention to. Sometimes focusing of the flesh serves a Spiritual purpose.
For example John’s focusing on the flesh serves the purpose of displaying the Gnostic teaching that Jesus Christ did not come in the flesh as flawed and therefore against Christ.
Kerwin /Nick
just for you i came back;
your ignorance in scriptures is so remote ;that you start to believe that your ignorance is the knowledge of everyone else except yourself ,
no scripture tells that a man as no soul in him ;and it also says that flesh means not much for it is the box that contains the soul ,and so friend ;Jesus soul is also THE WORD ” for they are but one soul ;the son of God as not two soul ,silly man ,the first creation of God received his soul at creation ,and that happen before all things ,but you are so ignorant you would not understand direction even if we hold your harm .
so you rather insult others of your own ignorance just has Nick does ,and some others as well.
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