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Quote (Stu @ July 23 2010,23:48) Quote (theodorej @ July 23 2010,23:01) Quote (Stu @ July 22 2010,23:11) “Born again” is an insult to your parents, whom Jesus told you to hate in order to follow him. Of course that is the myth recorded by whoever wrote the gospels. There is no way you could pin any of that on Jesus though, if indeed he did really exist. Decades of Chinese whispers followed by anonymous writing in a period characterised by allegorical prose is hardly a good basis for believing something to have been said verbatim. There was nothing wrong with the first birth, and I think it is a mistake to allow a religious cult to tell you otherwise. If it is only allegorical then it is still a nasty statement.
Stuart
Greetings Stu…..The statement to be born again was not intended in a literal sense, as for, we all know that is a physical impossibility that trancends any insults….The teachings of Jesus say nothing of hating your parents, as a matter of fact the fifth commandment says you are to honor them so your days on this earth will be long…The born again teaching pertains to being born as a spirit after your resurection into the kingdom or government of God…
I don't think it has to be taken literally to be an insult. The message is pretty clear: your upbringing was spiritually impoverished and you need this cure. Welcome to the army, uh I mean christianity! Forget your family, this is all you will ever need.Quote The teachings of Jesus say nothing of hating your parents,
We have no idea what Jesus actually taught, but the mythology of Jesus does actually quote him saying that. It is either “hate” or “love less” as Ed had it.Great family values in this religion, eh!
Stuart
Greetings Stu…..The belief and the subsequent deferal to the eternal God the creator of all that is… has nothing to do with religion…..If the writings of Aristotle and various other philosophers' writing and teaching can survive time with accuracy,why is that Jesus' teachings are inaccurate and of questionable origin….The family unit is a creation of God and he is thee formost proponant of family values…..Your misconceptions of christianity has its roots in bad education and mis information….Quote The belief and the subsequent deferal to the eternal God the creator of all that is… has nothing to do with religion How is that possible? Religion is based on spiritual practice of belief, it is what a person binds themself to
Quote (bodhitharta @ July 25 2010,01:58) Quote The belief and the subsequent deferal to the eternal God the creator of all that is… has nothing to do with religion How is that possible? Religion is based on spiritual practice of belief, it is what a person binds themself to
Greetings B….Spirituality is a personal thing between you and God….Religion is the creation of man, it can not foster spirituality, it does offer the opportunity to partake in ritualistic worship and adhere to dogmatic doctrines….True christianity is apostolic in nature, that meaning it is a combination of the teachings of both the OT and the NT…The original follows of Jesus were not religous men,but they were Jews who adhered to the law (torah)and they witnessed the ministry of Jesus. ( The Messiah )…Gods church today consists of the called out ones,that keep the Holy Days of Lev:23 and understand the need for a savior…With that they recognize that through the sacrafice of Jesus we are justified in ataining forgiveness and being part of the God family…In the coming Kingdom or Government of God..Quote (theodorej @ July 25 2010,23:40) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 25 2010,01:58) Quote The belief and the subsequent deferal to the eternal God the creator of all that is… has nothing to do with religion How is that possible? Religion is based on spiritual practice of belief, it is what a person binds themself to
Greetings B….Spirituality is a personal thing between you and God….Religion is the creation of man, it can not foster spirituality, it does offer the opportunity to partake in ritualistic worship and adhere to dogmatic doctrines….True christianity is apostolic in nature, that meaning it is a combination of the teachings of both the OT and the NT…The original follows of Jesus were not religous men,but they were Jews who adhered to the law (torah)and they witnessed the ministry of Jesus. ( The Messiah )…Gods church today consists of the called out ones,that keep the Holy Days of Lev:23 and understand the need for a savior…With that they recognize that through the sacrafice of Jesus we are justified in ataining forgiveness and being part of the God family…In the coming Kingdom or Government of God..
Religion is a Spiritual binding, it was not created by man and this position you take is atheistic(not to say you are atheistic at all, God forbid!) But my point is if a person holds to any specific instructions given by God it is in-fact their religion.If you are not religious you have no spiritual obligations. I can not do whatever I may at times feel like doing because I have spiritual obligations, I am very religious.
Of course some of your beliefs are dogmatic if they were not you would be tossed to and fro by every idea but their are some things I dare say you adhere to stubbornly and that is the “dogma” the opinion you hold as fact.
Quote (theodorej @ July 25 2010,23:40) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 25 2010,01:58) Quote The belief and the subsequent deferal to the eternal God the creator of all that is… has nothing to do with religion How is that possible? Religion is based on spiritual practice of belief, it is what a person binds themself to
Greetings B….Spirituality is a personal thing between you and God….Religion is the creation of man, it can not foster spirituality, it does offer the opportunity to partake in ritualistic worship and adhere to dogmatic doctrines….True christianity is apostolic in nature, that meaning it is a combination of the teachings of both the OT and the NT…The original follows of Jesus were not religous men,but they were Jews who adhered to the law (torah)and they witnessed the ministry of Jesus. ( The Messiah )…Gods church today consists of the called out ones,that keep the Holy Days of Lev:23 and understand the need for a savior…With that they recognize that through the sacrafice of Jesus we are justified in ataining forgiveness and being part of the God family…In the coming Kingdom or Government of God..
Hi Theodore J,Excellent Post!
BD rejects “Bible Truth”,
because BD worships Lucifer instead of “YHVH”! (Gal.1:6-9 / 2Cor.4:3-4)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ July 26 2010,07:01) Quote (theodorej @ July 25 2010,23:40) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 25 2010,01:58) Quote The belief and the subsequent deferal to the eternal God the creator of all that is… has nothing to do with religion How is that possible? Religion is based on spiritual practice of belief, it is what a person binds themself to
Greetings B….Spirituality is a personal thing between you and God….Religion is the creation of man, it can not foster spirituality, it does offer the opportunity to partake in ritualistic worship and adhere to dogmatic doctrines….True christianity is apostolic in nature, that meaning it is a combination of the teachings of both the OT and the NT…The original follows of Jesus were not religous men,but they were Jews who adhered to the law (torah)and they witnessed the ministry of Jesus. ( The Messiah )…Gods church today consists of the called out ones,that keep the Holy Days of Lev:23 and understand the need for a savior…With that they recognize that through the sacrafice of Jesus we are justified in ataining forgiveness and being part of the God family…In the coming Kingdom or Government of God..
Hi Theodore J,Excellent Post!
BD rejects “Bible Truth”,
because BD worships Lucifer instead of “YHVH”! (Gal.1:6-9 / 2Cor.4:3-4)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
So the Bible doesn't teach religion ED?Quote (Stu @ July 22 2010,17:11) “Born again” is an insult to your parents, whom Jesus told you to hate in order to follow him. Of course that is the myth recorded by whoever wrote the gospels. There is no way you could pin any of that on Jesus though, if indeed he did really exist. Decades of Chinese whispers followed by anonymous writing in a period characterised by allegorical prose is hardly a good basis for believing something to have been said verbatim. There was nothing wrong with the first birth, and I think it is a mistake to allow a religious cult to tell you otherwise. If it is only allegorical then it is still a nasty statement.
Stuart
When Jesus said hate your parents, it means he must be first above all. Not that you literally have to hate your parents.Quote (SimplyForgiven @ July 26 2010,16:00) Quote (Stu @ July 22 2010,17:11) “Born again” is an insult to your parents, whom Jesus told you to hate in order to follow him. Of course that is the myth recorded by whoever wrote the gospels. There is no way you could pin any of that on Jesus though, if indeed he did really exist. Decades of Chinese whispers followed by anonymous writing in a period characterised by allegorical prose is hardly a good basis for believing something to have been said verbatim. There was nothing wrong with the first birth, and I think it is a mistake to allow a religious cult to tell you otherwise. If it is only allegorical then it is still a nasty statement.
Stuart
When Jesus said hate your parents, it means he must be first above all. Not that you literally have to hate your parents.
No, ot does not mean he must be first above all it simply means that they should not be so attached that they cannot follow his teachings. Jesus would never say he was first above all it would be against the greatest commandmentQuote (SimplyForgiven @ July 26 2010,16:00) Quote (Stu @ July 22 2010,17:11) “Born again” is an insult to your parents, whom Jesus told you to hate in order to follow him. Of course that is the myth recorded by whoever wrote the gospels. There is no way you could pin any of that on Jesus though, if indeed he did really exist. Decades of Chinese whispers followed by anonymous writing in a period characterised by allegorical prose is hardly a good basis for believing something to have been said verbatim. There was nothing wrong with the first birth, and I think it is a mistake to allow a religious cult to tell you otherwise. If it is only allegorical then it is still a nasty statement.
Stuart
When Jesus said hate your parents, it means he must be first above all. Not that you literally have to hate your parents.
It says hate in Jesus's original Elizabethan English!If it says hate, how do you know that it does not really mean hate? Does “love” not really mean love, and “resurrection” not really mean resurrection?
With this god it seems that any old interpretation will do.
Stuart
Quote (theodorej @ July 26 2010,07:40) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 25 2010,01:58) Quote The belief and the subsequent deferal to the eternal God the creator of all that is… has nothing to do with religion How is that possible? Religion is based on spiritual practice of belief, it is what a person binds themself to
Greetings B….Spirituality is a personal thing between you and God….Religion is the creation of man, it can not foster spirituality, it does offer the opportunity to partake in ritualistic worship and adhere to dogmatic doctrines….True christianity is apostolic in nature, that meaning it is a combination of the teachings of both the OT and the NT…The original follows of Jesus were not religous men,but they were Jews who adhered to the law (torah)and they witnessed the ministry of Jesus. ( The Messiah )…Gods church today consists of the called out ones,that keep the Holy Days of Lev:23 and understand the need for a savior…With that they recognize that through the sacrafice of Jesus we are justified in ataining forgiveness and being part of the God family…In the coming Kingdom or Government of God..
Jesus kept and fulfilled most of these holy days.Sabbath rest is a perpetual celebration.
Lev 23:5 'In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at twilight is the LORD'S Passover.
10th Nisan Lamb chosen by Priest (paid 30 pieces of silver)
Completed 14 Nisan 3793 – DeathLev 23:6 'Then on the fifteenth day of the same month there is the Feast of Unleavened Bread to the LORD; for seven days you shall eat unleavened bread.
Completed 15 Nisan 3793 – Burial
16 Nisan – ResurrectionLev 23:16 'You shall count fifty days to the day after the seventh sabbath; then you shall present a new grain offering to the LORD.
Completed 6 Sivan 3793 – Ascension
Lev 23:24 “Speak to the sons of Israel, saying, 'In the seventh month on the first of the month you shall have a rest, a reminder by blowing of trumpets, a holy convocation.
Future 1 Tishri – 2nd Coming (Rosh Hashannah), birth of Adam
Lev 23:27 “On exactly the tenth day of this seventh month is the day of atonement; it shall be a holy convocation for you, and you shall humble your souls and present an offering by fire to the LORD.
Future 10 Tishri – Judgment (Yom Kippur)
Lev 23:39 'On exactly the fifteenth day of the seventh month,
Completed 15 Tishri 3760 (Tabernacles) Birth
22 Tishri 3760 (Shimini Atzeret) CircumcisionOther completed dates important in Jesus' life:
25 Kislev 3759 Hannukah – Conception
23 Tishri 3790 Simchat Torah – Baptism; beginning of ministry
Future dates:
14/15 Adar (Purim) Battle of Armaggedon; Annihilation of Satan
9th Av – Wedding Feast
15th Av – Wedding
God's Holy Days were meant to be kept by God's people in order to recognize the Messiah when he came.
We are to be followers of the Messiah and not the days he fulfilled.
Rom 14:5 One person regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Each person must be fully convinced in his own mind.
Rom 14:8 for if we live, we live for the Lord, or if we die, we die for the Lord; therefore whether we live or die, we are the Lord's.
Rom 14:9 For to this end Christ died and lived again, that He might be Lord both of the dead and of the living.
The Professor
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