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Hi KJ,
You prefer confusion.
Your loud attention seeking ways show you are not here to learn but only to seek followers.Now even your friends seem to shy away from your odd preterist ideas as your intentions become more apparent
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 04 2010,06:11) Hi KJ,
You prefer confusion.
Your loud attention seeking ways show you are not here to learn but only to seek followers.
Nick,Why are men invited to come and drink of the waters of salvation in the new earth? Why is the gospel preached in the new earth if the new earth will exist after preaching has ended? 22:17
Why does it say that a messenger had the EVERLASTING gospel to preach to all mankind if gospel preaching will come to an end? 14:6
Why did Paul say that Christ will be glorified in the church throughout ALL generations FOREVER AND EVER? This implies that mankind will procreate FOREVER; “to all generations forever and ever.”
Nick:
Quote Now even your friends seem to shy away from your odd preterist ideas as your intentions become more apparent
Yet Preterism is presently the fastest growing movement in christendom. The church has been telling people for 2,000 years that Jesus is “coming soon.” People will believe that Jesus is “coming soon” for only so long.KJ
Hi KJ,
The gospels of men are very popular
but uselessness.I see you think the teachings of Paul are not for you.
Join with himQuote (Nick Hassan @ June 04 2010,07:47) Hi KJ,
The gospels of men are very popular
but uselessness.I see you think the teachings of Paul are not for you.
Join with him
Nick,Why do you dismiss what I say without asking for my scriptural support? Is it possible that the great anti-traditional Nick clings to the traditions of the futurists?
Why is the gospel preached in the new earth?
KJ
Hi KJ,
Your understanding of Rev22.7 is not correct as with most of your scriptural understandings. You only read scripture to support your ideas it seemsWhy should the gospel not be everlasting?
Truth is.Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 04 2010,07:58) Hi KJ,
Your understanding of Rev22.7 is not correct as with most of your scriptural understandings. You only read scripture to support your ideas it seemsWhy should the gospel not be everlasting?
Truth is.
Not 22:7 but 22:17. It says that men are invited to drink of the water of life. The water of life flows from the throne of God and of the Lamb in the New Jerusalem.The inference is clear. The gospel is preached in the new earth. Therefore, the new earth is a picutre of the new covenant age inwhich we are NOW.
KJ
Hi KJ,
Indeed the tree of life still supplies.Inference has never been our teacher so why yours?
Therefore therefore therefore does not make good eatingQuote (Nick Hassan @ June 04 2010,08:24) Hi KJ,
Indeed the tree of life still supplies.Inference has never been our teacher so why yours?
Therefore therefore therefore does not make good eating
Inference is yours for you say “God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself. Therefore, Christ is not God.”Revelation 22:17 says that men are invited to drink of the waters of salvation. Revelation 14:6 says that the messenger had the EVERLASTING gospel. It will go on being preached forever and ever.
But you will fade as the grass.
KJ
Hi KJ,
Did Jesus not say when they saw him they saw the Father? Did he not say that he only did what he saw the Father doing and that his words were those of the Father? Did Paul not say God was in the Ephesians and at work in those in Phillipi to will and to do?Where does Rev say the gospel WILL BE PREACHED FOREVER?
You should not think your additions have any weight
You are behind the 8 ballIs there some other way you can grasp that your preterist trinity gospel is not that of the bible?
Nick said:
Quote Where does Rev say the gospel WILL BE PREACHED FOREVER?
Nick,Do you have a reading comprehension problem or what? I gave Rev. 14:6 which says that the messenger had the EVERLASTING gospel to preach to all mankind. The water of life flows from the throne of God and of the Lamb in the new earth and men are invited by the Spirit and the Bride to come and drink of it. So the gospel must be preached in the new earth.
Hebrews says that we are under the blood of the EVERLASTING covenant. Paul said that Christ will be glorified in the church throughout ALL generations FOREVER AND EVER.
If Christ is to be glorified in ALL generations FOREVER AND EVER, then all generations forever and ever must first hear the gospel which means that the gospel must be preached to ALL generations FOREVER and ever.
2=2=4 Nick
KJ
Hi KJ,
The gospel is of the everlasting truth.
You should not add your inferences and expect our acceptanceQuote (Nick Hassan @ June 05 2010,03:56) Hi KJ,
The gospel is of the everlasting truth.
You should not add your inferences and expect our acceptance
Christ will be glorified in the church throughout ALL generations FOREVER AND EVER. These are succeeding generations are they not? They continue in succession for ever and ever.The gospel must be preached throughout ALL generations FOREVER AND EVER if Christ is to be glorified in all of them.
I am on solid ground!
KJ
Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ June 04 2010,07:39) Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 04 2010,06:11) Hi KJ,
You prefer confusion.
Your loud attention seeking ways show you are not here to learn but only to seek followers.
Nick,Why are men invited to come and drink of the waters of salvation in the new earth? Why is the gospel preached in the new earth if the new earth will exist after preaching has ended? 22:17
Why does it say that a messenger had the EVERLASTING gospel to preach to all mankind if gospel preaching will come to an end? 14:6
Why did Paul say that Christ will be glorified in the church throughout ALL generations FOREVER AND EVER? This implies that mankind will procreate FOREVER; “to all generations forever and ever.”
Nick:
Quote Now even your friends seem to shy away from your odd preterist ideas as your intentions become more apparent
Yet Preterism is presently the fastest growing movement in christendom. The church has been telling people for 2,000 years that Jesus is “coming soon.” People will believe that Jesus is “coming soon” for only so long.KJ
Hi Jack,When do you believe Jesus returned?
As this is your thread, I hope you will answer;
I'm genuinely interested in what your view is on this!God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgKJ.
Surely the point of preaching the Gospel is to inform everyone of what is truth and what is not truth and the consequences of ignoring both or either UNTIL Jesus returns and judges the world for his God?After this, what need is there for preaching? All those who believe will still be believing, and those that did not believe will not exist.
Why preach the truth to truth believers? As Jesus said,'What need does a well person have for a doctor?'
Quote (Ed J @ June 05 2010,05:04) Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ June 04 2010,07:39) Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 04 2010,06:11) Hi KJ,
You prefer confusion.
Your loud attention seeking ways show you are not here to learn but only to seek followers.
Nick,Why are men invited to come and drink of the waters of salvation in the new earth? Why is the gospel preached in the new earth if the new earth will exist after preaching has ended? 22:17
Why does it say that a messenger had the EVERLASTING gospel to preach to all mankind if gospel preaching will come to an end? 14:6
Why did Paul say that Christ will be glorified in the church throughout ALL generations FOREVER AND EVER? This implies that mankind will procreate FOREVER; “to all generations forever and ever.”
Nick:
Quote Now even your friends seem to shy away from your odd preterist ideas as your intentions become more apparent
Yet Preterism is presently the fastest growing movement in christendom. The church has been telling people for 2,000 years that Jesus is “coming soon.” People will believe that Jesus is “coming soon” for only so long.KJ
Hi Jack,When do you believe Jesus returned?
As this is your thread, I hope you will answer;
I'm genuinely interested in what your view is on this!God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
ED J,Yes this is my thread under my former name thethinker. Jesus returned in ad70. He explicitly told His disciples that some of them would remain alive until the Son of Man comes in His kingdom (Matt. 16:28). He said also that the destruction of the temple was the sign of His near return. The temple was destroyed in ad70. Thus Jesus returned in ad70.
Kangaroo Jack
Hi KJ,
Really?
No you have been deceived.
Therefore is your main foundation but scripture is spiritual.Quote (JustAskin @ June 05 2010,05:20) KJ.
Surely the point of preaching the Gospel is to inform everyone of what is truth and what is not truth and the consequences of ignoring both or either UNTIL Jesus returns and judges the world for his God?After this, what need is there for preaching? All those who believe will still be believing, and those that did not believe will not exist.
Why preach the truth to truth believers? As Jesus said,'What need does a well person have for a doctor?'
JA,The Abrahamic covenant requires that the gospel be preached forever because it is an EVERLASTING covenant. Note my comments below from another thread I started “The Abrahamic Covenant Cannot be Nullified”
To ALL:
God promised Abraham that he would show mercy to his descendants for “a thousand generations.”
Quote 8 He remembers His covenant forever,
The word which He commanded, for a thousand generations,
9 The covenant which He made with Abraham,
And His oath to Isaac,
10 And confirmed it to Jacob for a statute,
To Israel as an everlasting covenant,According to Exodus 20:6 God will show mercy to “thousands” (plural) of generations. King David took this to mean that God's covenant is ETERNAL.
In Isaiah's prophecy of the new earth the covenant keeps going. It says that the blessed of the Lord will bring forth children, not for trouble but for salvation:
Quote 17 “ For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth;
And the former shall not be remembered or come to mind.
18 But be glad and rejoice forever in what I create;
For behold, I create Jerusalem as a rejoicing,
And her people a joy.
19 I will rejoice in Jerusalem,
And joy in My people;
The voice of weeping shall no longer be heard in her,
Nor the voice of crying.
20 “ No more shall an infant from there live but a few days,
Nor an old man who has not fulfilled his days;
For the child shall die one hundred years old,
But the sinner being one hundred years old shall be accursed.
21 They shall build houses and inhabit them;
They shall plant vineyards and eat their fruit.
22 They shall not build and another inhabit;
They shall not plant and another eat;
For as the days of a tree, so shall be the days of My people,
And My elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.
23 They shall not labor in vain,
Nor bring forth children for trouble;
For they shall be the descendants of the blessed of the LORD,
And their offspring with them.
It says that they “bring forth children” and have “descendants” and “offspring.” It is irrefutable that salvation will continue forever because God's people will “bring forth children” in the new earth which is forever. The “blessed of the Lord” in the new earth will have descendants who will also become the “blessed of the Lord.”God will not and cannot destroy humanity because He is under oath to show mercy to “thousands of generations” of Abraham's descendants. We are less than 200 generations from Abraham. So he has just begun to realize the number of his believing progeny which is yet to come.
But the futurists try to rob Abraham of his ongoing seed by saying that God could destroy humanity tomorrow. If we were to be literal with the expression “a thousand generations” then the promise would fall short of about 800 generations if God destroyed humanity tomorrow. It is not literal of course. King David said that “a thousand generations” means FOREVER and ETERNAL. This is solified by Exodus 20:6 which says that God will show mercy to thousands (plural) of generations.
Don't believe the futurists. God has no intentions of destroying humanity and neither can He because He is under the oath He made to Abraham. The futurists have been shoveling the “stuff” for two thousand years now saying that this earth and the human race will come to an end.
Thankfully people are starting to wake up and preterism has now become the fastest growing movement in christendom. God will save a people for Himself in all generations forever and ever. There is no limit to the number of Abraham's seed. God said that Abraham's believing progeny will be in number “as the sand on the seashore”. Praise Him!
Not only do the futurists try to rob Abraham of many descendants but they also make God out to be a covenant breaker.
thinker (Kangaroo Jack)
Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ June 05 2010,05:30) Quote (Ed J @ June 05 2010,05:04)
Hi Jack,When do you believe Jesus returned?
As this is your thread, I hope you will answer;
I'm genuinely interested in what your view is on this!God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
ED J,Yes this is my thread under my former name thethinker. Jesus returned in ad70. He explicitly told His disciples that some of them would remain alive until the Son of Man comes in His kingdom (Matt. 16:28). He said also that the destruction of the temple was the sign of His near return. The temple was destroyed in ad70. Thus Jesus returned in ad70.
Kangaroo Jack
Hi Jack,I'm familiar with: Some of them would remain alive until the Son of Man comes in His kingdom (Matt. 16:28)
But here does he say (the essence of): 'the destruction of the temple was the sign of His near return.'?God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ June 05 2010,05:40) Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ June 05 2010,05:30) Quote (Ed J @ June 05 2010,05:04)
Hi Jack,When do you believe Jesus returned?
As this is your thread, I hope you will answer;
I'm genuinely interested in what your view is on this!God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
ED J,Yes this is my thread under my former name thethinker. Jesus returned in ad70. He explicitly told His disciples that some of them would remain alive until the Son of Man comes in His kingdom (Matt. 16:28). He said also that the destruction of the temple was the sign of His near return. The temple was destroyed in ad70. Thus Jesus returned in ad70.
Kangaroo Jack
Hi Jack,I'm familiar with: Some of them would remain alive until the Son of Man comes in His kingdom (Matt. 16:28)
But here does he say (the essence of): 'the destruction of the temple was the sign of His near return.'?God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
ED J,I meant to say that the destruction of Jerusalem was the sign of His near return (Matt. 24; Mk. 13; Lk. 21)
Quote 20 “But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near. 21 Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those who are in the midst of her depart, and let not those who are in the country enter her. 22 For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. 23 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! For there will be great distress in the land and wrath upon this people. 24 And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled. 25 “And there will be signs in the sun, in the moon, and in the stars; and on the earth distress of nations, with perplexity, the sea and the waves roaring; 26 men’s hearts failing them from fear and the expectation of those things which are coming on the earth, for the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 27 Then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28 Now when these things begin to happen, look up and lift up your heads, because your redemption draws near.”
Luke 21:20-28The destruction of Jerusalem was the sign of Christ's near return. Jerusalem was destroyed in ad70. Thus Christ returned in ad70.
See the Preterism link below:
Kangaroo Jack
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