Was Donald chosen by God?

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We should understand the truth. Paul is obviously a follower of Jesus Christ. But saying that he is wrong because Jesus said another thing can be resolved in two ways.

1. Paul is wrong so ignore him.
2. Both were right. There is no contradiction.

You seem to infer 1).

[terraricca]

you did not answer my question ,why?

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Jesus is far more important than Paul right, so Paul is a servant of him. But that doesn’t negate what Paul said because he wrote scripture. And he also wrote after Jesus death, so a different season too. If you are going to say that Paul’s scripture is irrelevant because of Jesus own owrds, then you are going down a slippery slope because you are then trying to debunk an Apostle. You would have to arrive at the conclusion that the Bible should be discredited, especially considering that Jesus himself wrote none of it with his own hand.

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More proof that the media was corrupt and the unthinkable from their point of view is now reality.

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Sometimes I think your questions are designed to detract from your obligation to admit your own shortcomings. Maybe you don’t realise you are doing it. I have no problem with questions, but when someone asks a lot of them and admits to nothing regarding his own mistakes, then I am not convinced that such a person has pure motive for truth. The idea is that we ask questions to arrive at the truth. That we test all things to see if they are of God. Questions should not become smoke screens to hide things we have said or to defend our positions regardless of truth. Do you ever concede, or is you being proven right the primary motive? I am not trying to offend, but just cutting to the chase. Just trying to understand why you argue against everything all the time.

[terraricca]

Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.”
“How can someone be born when they are old?” Nicodemus asked. “Surely they cannot enter a second time into their mother’s womb to be born!”
Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit. Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit. You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You must be born again.’ The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”
“How can this be?” Nicodemus asked.
“You are Israel’s teacher,” said Jesus, “and do you not understand these things? Very truly I tell you, we speak of what we know, and we testify to what we have seen, but still you people do not accept our testimony. I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe; how then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things? No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man. Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, that everyone who believes may have eternal life in him.”
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that their deeds will be exposed. But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what they have done has been done in the sight of God.
John Testifies Again About Jesus
After this, Jesus and his disciples went out into the Judean countryside, where he spent some time with them, and baptized. Now John also was baptizing at Aenon near Salim, because there was plenty of water, and people were coming and being baptized. (This was before John was put in prison.) An argument developed between some of John’s disciples and a certain Jew over the matter of ceremonial washing. They came to John and said to him, “Rabbi, that man who was with you on the other side of the Jordan—the one you testified about—look, he is baptizing, and everyone is going to him.”
To this John replied, “A person can receive only what is given them from heaven. You yourselves can testify that I said, ‘I am not the Messiah but am sent ahead of him.’ The bride belongs to the bridegroom. The friend who attends the bridegroom waits and listens for him, and is full of joy when he hears the bridegroom’s voice. That joy is mine, and it is now complete. He must become greater; I must become less.”
The one who comes from above is above all; the one who is from the earth belongs to the earth, and speaks as one from the earth. The one who comes from heaven is above all. He testifies to what he has seen and heard, but no one accepts his testimony. Whoever has accepted it has certified that God is truthful. For the one whom God has sent speaks the words of God, for God gives the Spirit without limit. The Father loves the Son and has placed everything in his hands. Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on them.
Jesus Talks With a Samaritan Woman
Now Jesus learned that the Pharisees had heard that he was gaining and baptizing more disciples than John— although in fact it was not Jesus who baptized, but his disciples. So he left Judea and went back once more to Galilee.
Now he had to go through Samaria. So he came to a town in Samaria called Sychar, near the plot of ground Jacob had given to his son Joseph. Jacob’s well was there, and Jesus, tired as he was from the journey, sat down by the well. It was about noon.
When a Samaritan woman came to draw water, Jesus said to her, “Will you give me a drink?” (His disciples had gone into the town to buy food.)
The Samaritan woman said to him, “You are a Jew and I am a Samaritan woman. How can you ask me for a drink?” (For Jews do not associate with Samaritans.)
Jesus answered her, “If you knew the gift of God and who it is that asks you for a drink, you would have asked him and he would have given you living water.”
“Sir,” the woman said, “you have nothing to draw with and the well is deep. Where can you get this living water? Are you greater than our father Jacob, who gave us the well and drank from it himself, as did also his sons and his livestock?”
Jesus answered, “Everyone who drinks this water will be thirsty again, but whoever drinks the water I give them will never thirst. Indeed, the water I give them will become in them a spring of water welling up to eternal life.”
The woman said to him, “Sir, give me this water so that I won’t get thirsty and have to keep coming here to draw water.”
He told her, “Go, call your husband and come back.”
“I have no husband,” she replied.
Jesus said to her, “You are right when you say you have no husband. The fact is, you have had five husbands, and the man you now have is not your husband. What you have just said is quite true.”
“Sir,” the woman said, “I can see that you are a prophet. Our ancestors worshiped on this mountain, but you Jews claim that the place where we must worship is in Jerusalem.”
“Woman,” Jesus replied, “believe me, a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem. You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews. Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”
The woman said, “I know that Messiah” (called Christ) “is coming. When he comes, he will explain everything to us.”
Then Jesus declared, “I, the one speaking to you—I am he.”
The Disciples Rejoin Jesus
Just then his disciples returned and were surprised to find him talking with a woman. But no one asked, “What do you want?” or “Why are you talking with her?”
Then, leaving her water jar, the woman went back to the town and said to the people, “Come, see a man who told me everything I ever did. Could this be the Messiah?” They came out of the town and made their way toward him.
Meanwhile his disciples urged him, “Rabbi, eat something.”
But he said to them, “I have food to eat that you know nothing about.”
Then his disciples said to each other, “Could someone have brought him food?”
“My food,” said Jesus, “is to do the will of him who sent me and to finish his work. Don’t you have a saying, ‘It’s still four months until harvest’? I tell you, open your eyes and look at the fields! They are ripe for harvest. Even now the one who reaps draws a wage and harvests a crop for eternal life, so that the sower and the reaper may be glad together. Thus the saying ‘One sows and another reaps’ is true. I sent you to reap what you have not worked for. Others have done the hard work, and you have reaped the benefits of their labor.”
Many Samaritans Believe
Many of the Samaritans from that town believed in him because of the woman’s testimony, “He told me everything I ever did.” So when the Samaritans came to him, they urged him to stay with them, and he stayed two days. And because of his words many more became believers.
They said to the woman, “We no longer believe just because of what you said; now we have heard for ourselves, and we know that this man really is the Savior of the world.”
Jesus Heals an Official’s Son
After the two days he left for Galilee. (Now Jesus himself had pointed out that a prophet has no honor in his own country.) When he arrived in Galilee, the Galileans welcomed him. They had seen all that he had done in Jerusalem at the Passover Festival, for they also had been there.
Once more he visited Cana in Galilee, where he had turned the water into wine. And there was a certain royal official whose son lay sick at Capernaum. When this man heard that Jesus had arrived in Galilee from Judea, he went to him and begged him to come and heal his son, who was close to death.
“Unless you people see signs and wonders,” Jesus told him, “you will never believe.”
The royal official said, “Sir, come down before my child dies.”
“Go,” Jesus replied, “your son will live.”
The man took Jesus at his word and departed. While he was still on the way, his servants met him with the news that his boy was living. When he inquired as to the time when his son got better, they said to him, “Yesterday, at one in the afternoon, the fever left him.”
Then the father realized that this was the exact time at which Jesus had said to him, “Your son will live.” So he and his whole household believed.
This was the second sign Jesus performed after coming from Judea to Galilee.
The Healing at the Pool
Some time later, Jesus went up to Jerusalem for one of the Jewish festivals. Now there is in Jerusalem near the Sheep Gate a pool, which in Aramaic is called Bethesda and which is surrounded by five covered colonnades. Here a great number of disabled people used to lie—the blind, the lame, the paralyzed. [ ] One who was there had been an invalid for thirty-eight years. When Jesus saw him lying there and learned that he had been in this condition for a long time, he asked him, “Do you want to get well?”
“Sir,” the invalid replied, “I have no one to help me into the pool when the water is stirred. While I am trying to get in, someone else goes down ahead of me.”
Then Jesus said to him, “Get up! Pick up your mat and walk.” At once the man was cured; he picked up his mat and walked.
The day on which this took place was a Sabbath, and so the Jewish leaders said to the man who had been healed, “It is the Sabbath; the law forbids you to carry your mat.”
But he replied, “The man who made me well said to me, ‘Pick up your mat and walk.’ ”
So they asked him, “Who is this fellow who told you to pick it up and walk?”
The man who was healed had no idea who it was, for Jesus had slipped away into the crowd that was there.
Later Jesus found him at the temple and said to him, “See, you are well again. Stop sinning or something worse may happen to you.” The man went away and told the Jewish leaders that it was Jesus who had made him well.
The Authority of the Son
So, because Jesus was doing these things on the Sabbath, the Jewish leaders began to persecute him. In his defense Jesus said to them, “My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I too am working.” For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.
Jesus gave them this answer: “Very truly I tell you, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does. For the Father loves the Son and shows him all he does. Yes, and he will show him even greater works than these, so that you will be amazed. For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son gives life to whom he is pleased to give it. Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son, that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him.
“Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life. Very truly I tell you, a time is coming and has now come when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God and those who hear will live. For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son also to have life in himself. And he has given him authority to judge because he is the Son of Man.
“Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice and come out—those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned. By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me.

my answer to your inquiry is found in Jesus words

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Hi T8:

Regardless, God does appoint leaders whether they acknowledge him or not.

When God appointed a leader, He did not rely on the people to vote him in as was done in our democracy.

In he NT, he gave Jesus all power of heaven and earth, and he has said that he appoints leaders in the church.  He does not say that he appoints the leaders of the nations.   He does say that he will show us things to come.

If God’s people pray for a leader that will for example stop the decline of immorality such as abortion and step up security against an invading enemy, then God is more than able to raise up a man to run as a candidate to answer the prayers of his people. In a democracy, people can vote him in or not. Up to them. Not saying this is certainly the case with Trump, but the prophecy in the first post certainly says this and is what this topic is about.

I think too many take risks and must at times attack God himself when they speak badly of people that he has raised up. Personally, I think it is foolish for people to talk evil of someone who might be of God or said something from God especially when they have no proof to the contrary. Why do these people judge themselves unnecessarily. Because they are being foolish is the answer.

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So those words of Jesus negate these words of Paul??? I don’t think so.

First of all, then, I urge that petitions, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgiving be offered on behalf of all men for kings and all those in authority, so that we may lead tranquil and quiet lives in all godliness and dignity. This is good and pleasing in the sight of God our Savior,…

You believe the Bible has contradictions then and Paul is wrong. No other option here. Paul is very clear in what he said here. Of course you can choose to ignore the parts of the Bible you don’t like or disagree with. But I will not be following you. No, I believe that Paul also wrote scripture and treat his words with the respect they deserve because he was an Apostle of God.

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Hi 94.

I watched the video. I am not convinced of this view. There are a number of end time views that are compelling. But I think that the right one will show itself in time.

The Vatican seems like a good candidate for Babylon and so does the USA, but for different reasons. As for the Beast, it comes out of the Great Sea. So I believe you need to look at empires in that location such as the six or seven empires in that region like Rome, Greece, Assyria, Babylon, etc.

[terraricca]

First of all, then, I urge that petitions, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgiving be offered on behalf of all men for kings and all those in authority, so that we may lead tranquil and quiet lives in all godliness and dignity. This is good and pleasing in the sight of God our Savior,…

1. ) I urge that petitions ;?
2. ) prayers ;?
3. )intercessions ;?
4. )thanksgivings be offered     ?    on behalf of all men for kings and all those in authority, so that we may lead tranquil and quiet lives in all godliness and dignity. This is good and pleasing in the sight of God our Savior,…
5.  can you explain what one to four mean in the environment of the congregation ?

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Hi T8:

Did you notice in that video, that in the year 2000 the simpsons had predicted that Donald Trump would win the election, and that Mrs. Clinton would win the next one?

Incidentally, Clinton did win the popular vote, and so, the majority of the people of the United States voted for Clinton.

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As Believers, do we pray for kings and our leaders or not?

I guess no for some of you.

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So Trump didn’t win the popular vote, thus he shouldn’t be the president? We shouldn’t pray for him?

Apparently the electoral system gives all parts of the USA a voice. If it wasn’t in place, the coast would rule and no one would bother campaigning in the heart of America. Their voice would be drowned out.

What if votes were given points on how big the state was in area. Alaska might dominate then.

I find it ironic that many think Trump will be a dictator and they praise Castro at the same time. Many think that democracy should be overridden because Trump was voted in. Many are rioting and destroying America because they think Trump will destroy America.

[Ed J]

Marty you appeared to have ignored my posts on page 15 so I will re-post them.

[Ed J]

Hi Marty,

I don’t believe in the principal of we just disagree
and that’s that – because of what the bible says in 1Cor 1:10:

“Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing”

Since I strive for agreement I must back-up to a point of agreement.
If my efforts to find a stating point of agreement are resisted,
then that shows me that THEIR belief is contrary to 1Cor 1:10.

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God bless
Ed J

[Ed J]

Hi Ed:

Whether or not codes verify something or not is dependent upon what codes relative to what things, and so, tell me what you are talking about and I will tell you whether or not I believe that the codes verify what you are saying that they do.

Hi Marty,

942767 needs a password to post on this forum,
That password IS A CODE! A pin number is required
at ATM’s to make withdrawals from bank accounts;
that number IS A CODE! therefore I ask again:

While codes themselves cannot predict anything,
do you believe that codes can be used to verify?

“Yes” or “No”

[terraricca]

t8
As Believers, do we pray for kings and our leaders or not?

I guess no for some of you.
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I would not do anything that Jesus did not do ;for scriptures says “those that are in Christ should walk as he walked ,”
Jesus never pray for the world ,for the world has his own god ,

so I stay clean from the world ,

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[942767]

Hi t8:

So Trump didn’t win the popular vote, thus he shouldn’t be the president? We shouldn’t pray for him?

I did not vote for him, but even thou he did not win the popular vote, he did win the presidency by virtue of the system that is in place in the United States, and so, yes, I will pray for him, as the scriptures say that I should.  The scriptures say that God would have all men to come to the knowledge of the truth and to be saved.  The video that you posted says that he, president Trump will be baptized with the Holy Spirit while in the office of President, and I do hope that this comes true.

It does seem to me that if the majority of the people, that is the popular vote. voted for someone, then that person should be the winner, and so, maybe our system that gives the election to him who won the most electoral college votes needs to be revamped.

Nevertheless, it is what it is, and Donald Trump is the president elect of the United States.

Love in Christ,
Marty

 

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