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WorshippingJesus said to JA:
Quote So your analogy is the builder “IS Jesus” but then you say the Father is the Owner. God built the house, but wait, Jesus is the builder, Hello! Does it ring a bell yet?
Keith,I have pointed out to JA that Jesus is both the Builder and the Owner in the text but he has his head buried in the sand:
3 For this One has been counted worthy of more glory than Moses, inasmuch as He who built the house has more honor than the house. 4 For every house is built by someone, but He who built all things is God. 5 And Moses indeed was faithful in all His house as a servant, for a testimony of those things which would be spoken afterward, 6 but Christ as Son over His own house, whose house we are if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm to the end.
Verse 3 says that Christ is counted worthy of more glory than Moses “inasmuch as the builder of the house is counted worthy of more glory than the house.” Then verse 6 CLEARLY and UNDENIABLY says that Christ is the OWNER, “but Christ as Son over His own house, whose house we are….”
It's CLEAR! Christ is both the Builder and the Owner. Read it and weep JA!
This also supports what I have repeatedly said here that in the Hebrew culture the fully investitured Son takes over the family in the place of the Father. Note that Christ is Son while Moses is servant. This goes along with Paul who said that the son differs nothing from a servant as long as he is a child. But at the appointed time of the Father the son is no longer a servant but is the fully investitured heir.
Kangaroo Jack
Hi KJ,
Certainly Jesus is the captain of our salvation.
He is the cornerstone of the house he is building by and for his God.[Eph2]Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 07 2010,18:35) Hi KJ,
Certainly Jesus is the captain of our salvation.
He is the cornerstone of the house he is building by and for his God.[Eph2]
NHWhos building is it Nick?
Whos Body is it Nick?
Whos Temple is it Nick?
The answer is——————>GOD!
Oh but wait, the answer is also————————–JESUS!
WJ
Hi WJ,
Are you confused again?
THE BUILDER OF ALL THINGS IS GOD.
God is at work to will and to do in His Sons[Phil2]Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 08 2010,10:35) Hi KJ,
Certainly Jesus is the captain of our salvation.
He is the cornerstone of the house he is building by and for his God.[Eph2]
Nope! It does not say that He built us “for His God.” It says that we are HIS OWN house! The same truth is found in Titus 2:13 looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, 14 who gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us from every lawless deed and purify FOR HIMSELF HIS OWN special people, zealous for good works. Titus 1:13-14
It says that He purifies us “FOR HIMSELF” & “HIS OWN” Nick. What about this do you not understand?
KJ
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 08 2010,10:43) Hi WJ,
Are you confused again?
THE BUILDER OF ALL THINGS IS GOD.
God is at work to will and to do in His Sons[Phil2]
The builder is God and Christ is counted worthy of the glory of the builder.2 + 2 = 4
KJ
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 08 2010,10:52) Hi KJ,
Did you confuse this building with that of Moses?
I repeat: The builder is God and Christ is counted worthy of the glory of the builder.2 + 2 = 4
KJ
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 09 2010,10:41) Hi KJ,
Ergo, therefore , thus, 2+2Dig deeper than logic[Mt7]
It's funny you should tell me to dig deeper when you are the one here with all the canned answers.KJ
Hi KJ,
We have to reinforce the basics like 'seek first the kingdom' for those who preach false gods and who show they are without understandingQuote (Nick Hassan @ June 09 2010,10:57) Hi KJ,
We have to reinforce the basics like 'seek first the kingdom' for those who preach false gods and who show they are without understanding
So Jesus is a false god???KJ
When we read that Othniel (Judges 3:9) and Ehud (Judges 3:15) are both called “saviour” (same Hebrew word translated “saviour” at Is. 43:11 is translated “deliverer” in KJV – compare ASV), should we really believe they are both Jehovah because “besides [Jehovah] there is no saviour”?
Your point was that Moses was among the saved. So?
I think you forget that it is you who makes the case that Jesus is Jehovah because both are called “savior.” That is your argument. It is a ridiculous argument, but it is your argument, and it is because of that argument that this keeps coming up. But the fact, is that IN ITSELF that does not prove that Jesus is Jehovah, BECAUSE so many others are also called saviors.
The fact that Moses was among the saved does not mean that he could never be called a savior. You always play these weird games with twisted logic.
Either being called “savior” means you must be God, or it doesn't. As it turns out, it doesn't. See examples listed above.
“Duh! If you can't apply your logic consistently then you should dump it.“–Kangaroo Jack, another thread.
LISTEN TO YOURSELF!
Either being called “savior” means you must be God, or it doesn't.
Here are two examples where it DOESN'T: Othniel (Judges 3:9) and Ehud (Judges 3:15).Therefore, KJ, in your words:
If you can't apply your logic consistently then you should dump it
Quote (david @ June 18 2010,17:42) “Duh! If you can't apply your logic consistently then you should dump it.“–Kangaroo Jack, another thread. LISTEN TO YOURSELF!
Either being called “savior” means you must be God, or it doesn't.
Here are two examples where it DOESN'T: Othniel (Judges 3:9) and Ehud (Judges 3:15).Therefore, KJ, in your words:
If you can't apply your logic consistently then you should dump it
David,Your reply is a silly misapplication of words and I have already answered this. Othniel and Ehud were of the judges, that is, military and political leaders. They “delivered” Israel with a military. How does this make them a “savior” like Jesus? Give me a break man!
11 I, even I, am the LORD,
And besides Me there is no savior. Is. 43:11Jesus is repeatedly called “THE SAVIOR” in the new testament. God said, “Besides Me there is no Savior.” Ergo….
Kangaroo Jack
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