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Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 12 2012,01:11) Hi KW,
Would you presume it was?
Why?
Nick,All I know is God created some noble vessels and some ignoble vessels. There were ignoble vessels, such as Lucifer, that existed before the fall. I do not believe that either Adam or Eve were ignoble vessels; but I believe they were instead led to sin because of their immaturity.
In all it seems to me the soul of man was not effected by the fall.
Hi KW,
Were they created ignoble?
Adam and Eve did not have the Spirit of wisdom that gives eternal life.Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 12 2012,02:27) Hi KW,
Were they created ignoble?
Adam and Eve did not have the Spirit of wisdom that gives eternal life.
Nick,I know not whether they were created noble vessels but I do not believe Adam and Eve had the spirit of wisdom as that spirit comes with maturity.
Hi KW,
You really need to be aware of man's weakness and helplessness without the graces of the Spirit.
The flesh profiteth nothingHi Ed J,
Quote Hi Marlin, FALSE! …do you really not know the difference?
Conceived means “pregnancy”, and birthed means to “be born”. …they are not interchangeable terms!I still use the King James and my concordance says “be born”. Which is exactly what He was.
So maybe conceived was the wrong word for the Greek word,
gennaoAV — begat (49)
— be born (39)
— bear (2)
— gender (2)
— bring forth (1)
— be delivered (1)Mary was Jesus mother, because she bore Him, He had none of her DNA.
He came just like the first Adam, created by God.HEB 4:15 † For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
He had no sin, NONE, either inherited or other wish.
God Bless
MarlinHi Kerwin,
You said
Quote I agree with you that Jesus was formed from a cell of Mary. That doesn't agree with what I said at all. Jesus came from a cell formed by God is what I said.
You are wrong in your thinking, that Jesus had to come fallen. If He did, then He didn't save anyone at all, for He was already owned by Satan. It amazes me that anyone would think that He had to come with Sin. What about the first Adam, what sin did he come with.
What about the scriptures that say He had NO SIN, NONE at all.
What, do we just rationalize them away and say inherited sin doesn't count?
Sin is sin to God.God Bless
MarlinQuote (Marlin1 @ April 12 2012,12:06) Hi Ed J, Mary was Jesus mother, because she bore Him, He had none of her DNA.
God Bless
Marlin
Hi Marlin,Why do you make this assumption, does not
YOUR 'assumption' run contrary to Romans 1:3?Romans 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord,
which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; (see Luke 3:23-31)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Nick Hassan @ April 12 2012,03:07) Hi KW,
No wisdom is a gift of the Spirit[1cor 12]
Human wisdom is uselessness
Nick,Luke 2:52
King James Version (KJV)52And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man.
Hi KW,
Certainly man cannot live on bread alone and he was well fed on the Word, the Wisdom of God.[lk 11 49]
But he was transformed at the JordanMarlin,
Quote You are wrong in your thinking that Jesus had to come fallen. If He did, then He didn't save anyone at all, for He was already owned by Satan. It amazes me that anyone would think that He had to come with Sin. What about the first Adam, what sin did he come with? He was a servant of sin according to his inheritance from Adam but he was the first set truly free from sin according to his inheritance from God. That is why he was tempted as is common to man but without sin and why those that are fully mature in him will do likewise.
Quote What about the scriptures that say He had NO SIN, NONE at all. I know of no KJV scriptures that state there is no sin in Jesus. There is one, 1 John 3:5 that states there is no sin in God. I would say there is no sin in Jesus if we are speaking about sinning but not if we are speaking of the sin nature.
Quote What, do we just rationalize them away and say inherited sin doesn't count?
Sin is sin to God.It is written:
Ezekiel 18
King James Version (KJV)19Yet say ye, Why? doth not the son bear the iniquity of the father? When the son hath done that which is lawful and right, and hath kept all my statutes, and hath done them, he shall surely live. 20The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
Hi KW,
You say
“he was the first set truly free from sin according to his inheritance from God.”
How did this happen?
He said he is an OVERCOMER Rev 3.21Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 12 2012,11:45) Hi KW,
You say
“he was the first set truly free from sin according to his inheritance from God.”
How did this happen?
He said he is an OVERCOMER Rev 3.21
Nick,God gave him the Spirit because he delighted in him and Jesus through faith put on the new man created like God in true holiness and righteousness. In this he was the first of many brothers.
Hi KW,
He proclaimed Jesus Christ as His new Son in whom He delighted after the Jordan.
The NEW MAN is formed by obedience to and transformation by the Spirit.Christ is GOD. he made the earth and his hands made the sky.
heb 1.8O Lord, in the beginning you made the earth,
and your hands made the sky.he is truly GOD and not created
Quote (jammin @ April 13 2012,00:58) Christ is GOD. he made the earth and his hands made the sky.
heb 1.8O Lord, in the beginning you made the earth,
and your hands made the sky.he is truly GOD and not created
Hi Jammin,I don't mean to sound like a 'nitpicker',
but “Christ” means God's anointing.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Nick Hassan @ April 12 2012,13:32) Hi KW,
He proclaimed Jesus Christ as His new Son in whom He delighted after the Jordan.
The NEW MAN is formed by obedience to and transformation by the Spirit.
Nick,Hebrews 5
King James Version (KJV)5So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee.
6As he saith also in another place, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.Matthew 3
King James Version (KJV)16And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
17And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.Matthew 4
King James Version (KJV)14That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying,
15The land of Zabulon, and the land of Nephthalim, by the way of the sea, beyond Jordan, Galilee of the Gentiles;
16The people which sat in darkness saw great light; and to them which sat in the region and shadow of death light is sprung up.
17From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.Luke 4:18
King James Version (KJV)18The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
2 Peter 1
King James Version (KJV)17For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. 18And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.
Matthew 17
King James Version (KJV)5While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.
I agree that he was anointed into the priesthood at the Jordon. His new man existed previous to the Jordon as he was already created like God in true righteousness and holiness. I am not sure what the account of the mount accomplished; but included it because the similarity of God's words to the ones he used as the Jordon.
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