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I am not the one in error you are and the error is so plain
I am in error according to kerwin because I believe this:
Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is the Messiah, the Lord.
It doesn’t say he will become the savior, messiah, Lord. No he was born as such which clearly contradict the view of Nick, kerwin, and Gene.
That is because they feel the need to protect a pet doctrine that doesn’t fit with this truth.
I will continue to defend this truth in scripture regardless of the detractors.
The word ‘today’ and ‘born’ are the big hints here.
It will be clear to the readers who are not brainwashed as to who is defending this and who is against it.
Personally, I feel it is foolish to go against that angel’s message.
But everyone is free to choose to believe or not. Even Gene is free to believe or not.
I can see that you guys are frustrated at that scripture and angel. But there is no need to be frustrated. Just believe what it says and you will be set free.
Hi t8,
Is it appropriate to rely on carnal logic in the interpretation of spiritual words?
Time to move on.
Nick Nick Nick, how long must we suffer your spirit. Why do you accuse, condemn, and act adversely?
When will you repent and be born from above and love men as the second greatest motivation in your life?
Do not follow the great adversary who condemns God’s children before God and others.
There is hope Nick, it is not too late at the moment, but grace is not eternal for the hard of heart.
T8…..We are not saying that at berth it not Jesus’ DESTINY TO BE Lord and Savior, But anyone with common sense knows Jesus was not a lord or savior untill he actually performed the very act of salvation, and actually give his position as lord, by GOD later as scriptures plainly show us. How could Jesus be our savior before he ever diesfor the sin of the world. None of us are saying that was not his destiny at berth,but come on it didn’t happen untill it happened right?
Another think you failed to deal with my point in ISAIAH either.
peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene
Gene, he was the savior, messiah, and Lord at least from the day of his birth.
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If you agree, then we can move on because that is what I have been saying all along. No need to oppose me anymore.
Hi t8,
No need to shout and bluster.
Nobody is accusing you of anything.
But open your eyes and ears and realise you are yet to understand the purposes of God.
His is the glory.
T8…..No one is saying that was not his destiny at berth, but he was not those things till it “actually” happened. WHER you ar e wrong imo is that you are trying to make as if at his berth he had alread become those things, so i disagree with that. I am not denying he was to became all those things, which he did, but to say he already was those thing at berth is wrong T8.
I gave you an example in ISAIAH, WHERE THE WORD “IS” shows a present tense, but was not that, but was actually speaking of a future tense. TRYING to show you how in your view that scripture would have already taken place. The same applies with the scripture you are saying alread happened , when in fact it hadn’t.
I believe you need this view to help support your prexistence views.
peace and love to you and yours. …….gene
Hi t8,
How can you move on if you cannot see the word is prophetic?
God has anointed me to preach the good news to the poor…this prophecy is fulfilled today in your hearing.
Nobody is accusing you of anything.
But open your eyes and ears and realise you are yet to understand the purposes of God.
But you just accused me of not yet understanding the purposes of God.
In your world you understand. Have you considered how small each of our lives are? We are too small to judge as you do.
That is God’s job. All that you are accomplishing is laying down a hard measurement of judgement against yourself as God uses the measure you use.
This is so funny. Everyone gets upset because I believe and teach this.
Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is the Messiah, the Lord.
It has come down to being opposed for believing the scripture.
Of course I will stick with scripture because I want to be a faithful servant. No one’s going to talk me out of believing the truth about Jesus Christ as recorded in scripture. Especially that one. It was an angel of God that delivered it. Clearly all detractors are wrong.
T8…..We are not saying that at berth it not Jesus’ DESTINY TO BE Lord and Savior, But anyone with common sense knows Jesus was not a lord or savior untill he actually performed the very act of salvation, and actually give his position as lord, by GOD later as scriptures plainly show us. How could Jesus be our savior before he ever diesfor the sin of the world. None of us are saying that was not his destiny at berth,but come on it didn’t happen untill it happened right?
Another think you failed to deal with my point in ISAIAH either.
peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene
Gene let’s examine for a moment the logic you postulate:
According to YOUR LOGIC we can assume God wasn’t God
then until He actually created something to be “GOD” over.
So YOUR LOGIC then begets this question… (Please answer)Do you believe God wasn’t God until He created something to be “GOD” over? y/n
(Please do not dodge)
“Yes” – “No” – “I don’t know” questions
are great! Thanks T8 for inventing them!
Providing us a tool to differentiate truth from error!Good one Ed J.
I will continue with Gene’s logic.
A fireman is not one till he puts out his first fire.
On his first day he is just called a man. If there is no fire the next day, he is still a man. If there has been no fire for 3 months he is still a man.
When a fire occurs and he puts the fire out, he becomes a fireman.EDJ…..GOD WAS ALWAY GOD scripture says he has no beginning or ending of days. what does your query have to do with the subject matter we were discusing anyway. whats your point?
T8…..YOU logic would be, because a fireman became a fireman he was one when he was born, no, he became a fireman after he passed the test and meet all the requirements needed to be a true fireman. THE name of fireman applies to all who have been trained as such and passed their requirements or they can not becalled a fireman, the are called rockies not firemen, untill the achieve that requirement.
NO one is born a fireman before he or she have achieved that goal. again common sense 101.
peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene
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