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t8,
You are implying Jesus’ sacrifice was in vain.
This a basic tenet of Christianity that Jesus laid down his life for to save believers.
Your words are saying that you do not believe that.
Galatians 3:13-14New English Translation (NET Bible)
13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us (because it is written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree”) 14 in order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham would come to the Gentiles, so that we could receive the promise of the Spirit by faith.and
1 Corinthians 6:20New English Translation (NET Bible)
20 For you were bought at a price. Therefore glorify God with your body.
and
Acts 20:28New English Translation (NET Bible)
28 Watch out for yourselves and for all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God that he obtained with the blood of his own Son.
and
Revelation 5:9New English Translation (NET Bible)
9 They were singing a new song:
“You are worthy to take the scroll
and to open its seals
because you were killed,
and at the cost of your own blood you have purchased for God
persons from every tribe, language, people, and nation.How many witnesses does it tale to convince you that Jesus saved us by shedding his blood on the cross?
That act of compassion saved those that believe and so made him the actual savior and not just the one foreordained to be the savior.
Matthew writes it different though the meaning is the same.
Matthew 1:21New English Translation (NET Bible)
21 She will give birth to a son and you will name him Jesus, because he will save his people from their sins.”
Hi t8,
Your trust in your own understanding is impressive
but sadly deceived.
Trust not in your own understanding.
I hear what you are saying Danny, but the problem these guys have is that they are actually saying that Jesus was NOT born the Christ in Bethlehem. This is the issue.
Hi T8 and everyone else,
In more term they say he was not born Christ, but he became Christ.
For me the deal-breaker is Micah 5:2, which says that Christ
came from everlasting to Bethlehem.NOT form everlasting to Jordan. So Nick’s idea
that the Holy Spirit (according to Nick)
is the spirit of Christ is FALSE!Especially since John 14:23 clearly states “WE” will come to them
and make “OUR” abode with them. With the “WE” is listed in Rom 8:9…1. Spirit of God ………… (=God’s HolySpirit)
2. Spirit of Christ …….. (=Jesus’ Christ spirit)Micah 5:2 clearly is the deal-breaker here.
To suggest that Jesus’ spirit was not divine
goes against the clear teachings of Scripture!
How then can they explain Jesus’ sin free nature?_______________
God bless
Ed JHi T8,
Separate issues.
The Word was made flesh in Jesus at the Jordan.
Correct Nick,
Since “The Word” is God’s “HolySpirit”
“The Word” was made flesh in Christ at Jordan.…and you are right that this is a separate issue.
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God bless
Ed JHi t8,
How can you follow what you do not recognise happening in the life of the Messiah?
Hi Nick,
How can you substitute saying the life of the messiah for the life of Jesus,
when you do not believe they are the same? Contradictions upon contradictions.Hi Nick and Kerwin,
If Jesus wasn’t conceived *AS* the spirit of Christ in Mary’s womb,
what then kept him form sinning the first 30 years of his life?Mmmm?
Hi Nick,
your standard line of…
ED,
Why are you confused about prophecy
…has no match for Micah 5:2:”from everlasting TO BETHLEHEM”
since youou believe the spirit of Christ bypassed Bethlehem
lol. I trust in my own understanding because I repeat scripture word for word and rebuke you guys when you say the opposite. It feels like listening to those scientists like Krauss a theoretical physicist who foolishly implied that the universe arose from nothing.
Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
Can you guys not see that you are just clearly and blatantly rejecting scripture when it says one thing and you another. Regardless of how you justify this and regardless of how impressive your reasoning is, you have just said the opposite of scripture itself and then rebuke those who quote the scripture as is. That means you also rebuke the angel who proclaimed that the Christ was born referring to Jesus as a baby in Bethlehem. Are you guys really that blind? Wow!
If it wasn’t so serious it would be absolutely hilarious. I definitely get a kick out that book titled: “A Universe from Nothing” by Krauss. Likewise you guys also give me the same laugh, albeit, it comes with more serious consequences, so it is a laugh at the foolishness of it all, but not at you because your souls are precious.
I guess I should point out that anyone who leads one astray from the truth in scripture, well I can tell you that there is a reward for that, but not all rewards are good.
I will stick with scripture and base my understanding on what that says with the guidance of the Spirit of God. And I know that the Spirit of God will not make me beleive the exact opposite of scripture. I am not interested in the carnal stuff that draws a contradictory meaning to the clear text that was inspired by God.
I am sure that you are capable of understanding what I am telling you.
Hi t8,
Your trust in your own understanding is impressive
but sadly deceived.
Trust not in your own understanding.
Lol. Here is my understanding. Feel free to rebuke me more.
“for today in the city of David there has been born for you a Savior, who is Christ the Lord.”
Sorry that I do not believe the opposite like you want. But I cannot do that. It would be wrong. I trust the scripture over your ability to reason. I would rather say sorry to you than God.
Micah 5:2 clearly is the deal-breaker here.
Yes that is a deal breaker. But for me, and even bigger deal breaker is teaching the exact opposite of what the angel declared about Jesus Christ the Lord, being born that day.
Wow, what arrogance to challenge an angel of God and teach the opposite to the words he delivered about Jesus.
Ed,
Hi Nick and Kerwin,
If Jesus wasn’t conceived *AS* the spirit of Christ in Mary’s womb,
what then kept him form sinning the first 30 years of his life?Mmmm?
Jesus is not the Spirit of Christ though when a person speaks of him in the Spiritual sense the Spirit is refereed to as him, but so are believer and so is God.
Nick has never explained why Jesus did not sin before he was immersed in the Jordon. That is part of my disagreement with hum. I believe he was appointed as the first to receive the Spirit of God and that he received it before he could be tempted by the flesh. He then lived by faith from first to last throughout his mortality as an example to the world so that they to would change their ways and do the same.
Having the Spirit to walk by does not make one Christ or every believer would be Christ. Scripture does teach us that Jesus was given the gifts to preach and to do good works. The later describes the miracle he performed during his mortality. After his death others were appointed to be the light of the world as he came into his kingdom. He was not truly king until he did. The title Christ means anointed to be king. Scripture is not clear when that even happened but it is clear about when he became king.
t8,
Are you dodging my explanations?
Do you prefer Scripture to be simple so you do not have to meditate on it?
Many seem not to want to think but prefer to be told what to think by others but I thought you were beyond that.
Do you wonder why Jesus often chose to speak in obscure figures of speech?
John 16:29New English Translation (NET Bible)
29 His disciples said, “Look, now you are speaking plainly and not in obscure figures of speech!
I do even though he tells us.
T8….You are not seening JESUS as a “prophsied” human being, you are seening him as a preexisting being, morphed into a human body. When he as, a “prophesied” person, finly came into his “existence” as that “prophesied” person, all those prophesies about him were to take place over time. He was born to die for our sins, does that mean he was born dead?, no, neither does it that he was the christ untill it actually happened, even though it was his flesh destiny. He was born to take away the sin of the world, but when did it occur, before or after his death on the tree or cross. Jesus could not have been all those things at berth, even though it was his “prophesied” future andtheydid take place.
Another point you are not seening, is that denying JESUS’ comming into existence as a flesh human being, is antichrist, because it has to be a human being that is “anointed”, in order to be a CHRISTO’S OR MESSIAH, human. You can’t be a born christo’s, you have got to be a already existing flesh being, inorder to recieve the ANOINTING SPIRIT ON YOU, you are not born with it, you, after a flesh berth, receive it.
The same thing applies to us, we after our “flesh” berth can recieve it also, just like JESUS DID AT THE JORDAN RIVER. NO HUMAN WAS EVER BORN WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT at berth in scripture, as far as i know, and that includes Jesus. So if a person says JESUS WAS “BORN” A CHRIST THEN HE IS DENYING THAT THE “christo’s” came in the “FLESH”, CONSEQUENTLY HE OR SHE IS, ANTICHRISTO’S , MEANING YOU DON’T BELIEVE THE CHRISTO’S, ACTUALLY CAME TO BE, IN THE FLESH MAN JESUS. YOU ARE SAYING THE SAME THING T8, you simply do not yet see it brother. T8, you are making JESUS out to be, what he actually “ASPIRED” TO, AS IF HE “ALREADY” WAS. Your view about Jesus gives no hope to his fellow brothers and sisters, because you drive a wedge between him and us and the rest of mankind. You are teaching the “DOCTRINE OF SEPERATION” and don’t even realize it. IMO
THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT SUBJECT TO PROPERLY UNDERSTAND, because it can cause many scriptures to fall in place.
peace and love to you and yours…….gene
Are you dodging my explanations?
Do you prefer Scripture to be simple so you do not have to meditate on it?
Many seem not to want to think but prefer to be told what to think by others but I thought you were beyond that.
Do you wonder why Jesus often chose to speak in obscure figures of speech?
No I am not. Kerwin there is simplicity in Christ. There is hot and cold. There is truth and error. Light and darkness. Good and evil. God and Satan.
When an angel declares that Jesus Christ the Lord was born on that day in Bethlehem, then no amount of reasoning away from that simple and clear text is going to sway a person away if they love the truth. You can dress up error in fancy clothes, but it is still error. Like the saying goes, putting lipstick on a pig doesn’t change the fact that it is a pig.
And yes I understand your position. It is that he was only prophetically that but technically not which is just a fancy way to say that he was not the Christ when he was born right. But I have to side with that angel of God on this one. And it was you guys opposing me when I declared that Jesus was born the Christ and the Lord. When I was only repeating the truth in scripture. How you view it is quite irrelevant in the sense that the elephant in the room is that your testimony of Jesus birth is quite different to the one we read of in scripture. Unless you were an eye-witness of the event, then you like me have the gospels to draw upon. If your testimony is different to that, then were is your hidden knowledge coming from? Are you capable of just believing the words of that angel or are you too clever even for an angel?
t8,
You are implying Jesus’ sacrifice was in vain.
This a basic tenet of Christianity that Jesus laid down his life for to save believers.
Your words are saying that you do not believe that.
Excuse me. Where does this accusation come from? I believe the angels message about Jesus Christ the Lord being born in Bethlehem on that day, and now through the mighty powers of your reasoning, I am supposedly implying that Jesus sacrifice was in vain?
Wow! What next? Maybe I deny that Obama exists because I ate an apple.
Hi t8,
Your trust in your own understanding is impressive
but sadly deceived.
Trust not in your own understanding.
Okay, I guess you are right, Jesus Christ the Lord was not born on that day in Bethlehem. What was born was just Jesus the man, the Christ came at the Jordan. Yes that angel was not technically correct and he probably got a demotion when he returned to Heaven.
Happy now? lol.
Yes of course I am joking. But just want to highlight how silly you guys are acting. Do you really want to draw people away from the declared truth and message in scripture for your own understanding. And then have to give an account for that. I bet you really do not want that deep down in there somewhere.
T8….You are not seening JESUS as a “prophsied” human being, you are seening him as a preexisting being, morphed into a human body.
Although he existed in the form of God, he emptied himself and took on flesh. Being found as a man he was humble, obeyed God, died for humanity, rose from the dead, and was taken up to be with God in the glory that he had with him before the cosmos. Amen!
This is good news.
The same thing applies to us, we after our “flesh” berth can recieve it also, just like JESUS DID AT THE JORDAN RIVER. NO HUMAN WAS EVER BORN WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT at berth in scripture, as far as i know, and that includes Jesus. So if a person says JESUS WAS “BORN” A CHRIST THEN HE IS DENYING THAT THE “christo’s” came in the “FLESH”, CONSEQUENTLY HE OR SHE IS, ANTICHRISTO’S , MEANING YOU DON’T BELIEVE THE CHRISTO’S, ACTUALLY CAME TO BE, IN THE FLESH MAN JESUS. YOU ARE SAYING THE SAME THING T8,
Luke 1:35
And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.The holy God was his Father. His Spirit took part in his conception. Jesus was holy from conception. He is not like you in that respect Gene. This is how the true Jesus was conceived. The one you talk about is a different one. Closer to the Muslim Jesus perhaps.
Luke 2:10-11
But the angel said to them, “Do not be afraid; for behold, I bring you good news of great joy which will be for all the people; for today in the city of David there has been born for you a Savior, who is Christ the Lord.Gene 2:10-11
So if a person says JESUS WAS “BORN” A CHRIST THEN HE IS DENYING THAT THE “christo’s” came in the “FLESH”, CONSEQUENTLY HE OR SHE IS, ANTICHRISTO’SSo that angel is Antichrist because he certainly declared that Jesus was born the Christ and the Lord.
1 John 4:2-3
By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God; and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world.See that. Jesus Christ came in the flesh. You believe that what came in the flesh was a man called Jesus. You missed out the Christ part. It was Jesus Christ who came in the flesh. That is a huge fail for you Gene that has some huge consequences.
THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT SUBJECT TO PROPERLY UNDERSTAND, because it can cause many scriptures to fall in place.
Agreed. If we do not believe that Jesus Christ came in the flesh, then we are Antichrist. Likewise if you do not believe Jesus is the Christ, includes that baby that was born in Bethlehem (Jesus), then that is further proof of the Antichrist spirit. Finally, we are told about how the birth of Jesus the Messiah came about: His mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph it says. It doesn’t mention the Jordan regarding how Jesus Christ came to be. Likewise the angel declared: “today in the city of David there has been born for you a Savior, who is Christ the Lord”.
Scripture is used for reproof and correction Gene. But you can brush it off and go your own way. That is your decision. I wouldn’t advise it. You cannot change the past, only the future. This is the opportunity that is presented to you.
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