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- February 10, 2025 at 1:34 am#947224
Berean
ParticipantProclaimer, Can you imagine that the USA (the world’s leading power) is prophesied in the Bible?
YES OR NO?
IF YES, WHERE IN THE BIBLE?
IF NOT, IT SEEMS STRANGE TO ME.
February 10, 2025 at 1:46 am#947225Proclaimer
ParticipantI don’t think so as the Bible is predominately talking about the area around the Great Sea, (Mediterranean). But if I had to choose a scripture despite not being sure about it, I would choose the following as the vessel that God uses to protect the Jews in the last days.
“And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.”
Like I said though, I do not hold to or teach that America is in the Bible excluding the fact that the world is in the Bible and is mentioned many times and America is part of the world.
But go ahead and give me your strongest scripture about America?
February 10, 2025 at 6:15 am#947227Berean
ParticipantYou. …..I don’t think so as the Bible is predominately talking about the area around the Great Sea, (Mediterranean).
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Me
I live nearby and I have a daughter who lives on the shore.
The first beast in Revelation 13 is described as “rise up out of the sea”…
And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast come up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
You are very inclined to say that this is the Mediterranean
..I would say that it is probable…but not a certainty
the word “sea” is symbolic, as is the word “beast”Rev.17 tells us
1)-I will show you the judgment of the great whore who sits upon many waters:
17) And he said to me, The waters which you saw, where the whore sits, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and languages.
The beast rising from the Sea signals a power that arises from a populous region, as is the case with the papacy that arose in the nascent Europe after the fall of the pagan Roman Empire.
I come to the USA
The Declaration of Independence was proclaimed on July 4, 1776, in which the three colonies united to form the United States of America, the first decolonized nation in the world, recognized by Great Britain at the end of the war in 1783.
The United States of America was thus formed shortly before the wounding of the first beast in 1798.
They are described 👉in their rising phase in Rev. 13:11 as being a “beast coming up👉 out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb”
and in their final persecuting phase👉 “speaking like a dragon.”coming out of the earth
“earth” is a symbolic word as well as the word “sea” and “beast”
the meaning of the word earth
On a clue in Revelation 12
And the serpent cast out of his mouth water like a flood after the woman, in order to cause her to be carried away by the flood.
[16] And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth and swallowed up the flood which the dragon had cast out of his mouth.This “earth” which came to the aid of the woman (the persecuted church in Europe)
SYMBOLIZES a sparsely populated nation.
This is the case of North America in the 18th century which was a welcoming land for the persecuted nations of Europe.If you want to know more read this (from R. Wieland’s book: the Gospel in Revelation)
Revelation 13:11-14: And I saw another beast
rising out of the earth, and it had two horns
like a lamb, and it spoke like a dragon. It
exercises all the power of the first beast before it, and it makes the earth and
the inhabitants thereof to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound
was healed. It performs great wonders,
even making fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men. It deceives
those who dwell on the earth by those signs which it
was given to do in the sight of the beast, saying
to those who dwell on the earth that they should make an image to the beast which had been wounded by the sword
and did live.We have already seen how the “sea” represents
large human populations. The “earth” must therefore be
the opposite: an uninhabited part of the world
hence a remarkable new nation
should “arise” at the time when the papacy was being led into captivity at the time of
his “deadly wound” in A.D. 1798.
What great nation was rising to prominence and
power about the time when the 1260 years of papal
supremacy ended in 1798? There was only one
prominent nation arising at that time in a largely
uninhabited part of the world, and that was the
United States of America, which declared its
independence in 1776, and which was experienced
its early beginnings by 1798. This nation arose in
the New World, a vast continent of largely
uninhabited land. The rise of this great republic
from colonial beginnings is one of the most
phenomenal in the history of nations. It has “two
horns like a lamb,” suggesting the youthful
character of the young America, and its twin
principles of civil and religious liberty which
helped so much to develop the nation into a
prosperous world power.
Unlike the horns on the other beasts or
kingdoms, these two horns have no crowns upon
them. The founders of America determined to learn a lesson from Europe’s past history, by creating a
new nation without a king.
But what a pity that its character changes from
that of a “lamb” to a “dragon” who “exercises all
the power of the first beast.” Here we see that
America will yet become a persecuting power, and
will reach out to grasp the hand of the papacy. So
dose will be the union between the two that he will
cause “the earth and those who dwell in it to
worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was
healed.”
The healing of the papacy’s deadly wound has
been a gradual one; but the most significant step
was taken on February 11, 1929, when Premier
Mussolini restored to the papacy its temporal
power, and the pope again became a king. An
official witnessing the signing of the agreement
between Mussolini and the papacy said, “We are
now witnessing the signing of this document. As
the ink flows from these pens it is healing the
wound of 131 years old.”….
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