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Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 25 2011,17:53) Quote (david @ Aug. 25 2011,17:40) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 25 2011,11:47) 14 Today you are driving me from the land, and I will be hidden from your presence; I will be a restless wanderer on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me.” WHO exactly would have found Cain and killed him as he was wandering on the earth, out of the presence of Jehovah?
Which of Adam's offspring were already out there in the land of Nod, wandering away from the presence of Jehovah?
These are two separate thoughts:You are driving me from the land
and
I will be hidden from your presense.
It's not as if Cain went somewhere where God could not find or see him. It's not as if there was one area on earth where God could not see. those 2 thoughts are connected, but not in the way you seem to suggest.
In answer to your second question, it could have been virtually anyone. We aren't given specifics regarding time here. Maybe Adam and Eve have had hundreds of children, and those children have 1000 children and those children have 10,000 children, and those children have 50,000 children!
They lived a long time. No tv to watch. No birth control. So, cain could have been referring to any combination of relative.
These verses simply arn't very specific.
And again, you make an assumption, that the actual area that Cain went to somehow disabled Jehovah's presense. It was Cain's actions that did that.
Hi David,Excellent post!
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Mike, I also thought this was an excellent post. Thoughts?Quote Noah was 500 years before he had any children. And we know this because Shem, Ham and Japeth seemed to have been his ONLY children. Either that, or the “many” children he begot before Shem just died in the flood, and apparently Noah wasn't too upset or worried about all these dead children of his. But Noah had these three after he turned 500 years old. And although all three of them had wives by the time of the flood, none of them had any children of their own yet……………despite the fact that they were about 100 years old when the rains came.
Now you have my attention. This is an interesting point.
This is crazy. Ya, Noah was 500. He had the 3 sons. (apparently only the 3 sons.) 100 years later, still only those three sons I guess, because they are the only ones on the ark. Bizarre.
And Noah got to be five hundred years old. After that Noah became father to Shem, Ham and Ja′pheth.
If he had children before being 500 why weren't they on the ark?
After that Jehovah said to Noah: “Go, you and all your household, into the ark,
And Noah was six hundred years old when the deluge of waters occurred
Bizzare. It seems in those 600 years, Noah had 3 sons and that's it.?
Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 26 2011,14:34) Quote (t8 @ Aug. 26 2011,19:45) I heard a teaching based on the scripture where God told man to replenish the Earth. The point being that to replenish something indicated that it had already been plenished (is there a such word?) beforehand.
t8I only know this one
Ge 9:7 As for you, be fruitful and increase in number; multiply on the earth and increase upon it.”
Pierre
Hi Pierre.I don't have an opinion here but am open to scriptural truth.
Here are a couple of scriptures in the KJV.Genesis 1:28
And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.Genesis 9:1
And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.Quote (t8 @ Aug. 26 2011,22:20) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 26 2011,14:34) Quote (t8 @ Aug. 26 2011,19:45) I heard a teaching based on the scripture where God told man to replenish the Earth. The point being that to replenish something indicated that it had already been plenished (is there a such word?) beforehand.
t8I only know this one
Ge 9:7 As for you, be fruitful and increase in number; multiply on the earth and increase upon it.”
Pierre
Hi Pierre.I don't have an opinion here but am open to scriptural truth.
Here are a couple of scriptures in the KJV.Genesis 1:28
And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.Genesis 9:1
And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.
t81God blessed Noah and his sons, and said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth. 2
Ge 9:1 God blessed Noah and his sons and told them, “Multiply and fill the earth
9:1 And God blessed Noe and his sons, and said to them, Increase and multiply, and fill the earth and have dominion over it. LXX
there are some version using FILL instead of replenish why ?
Pierre
Quote (t8 @ Aug. 26 2011,15:20) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 26 2011,14:34) Quote (t8 @ Aug. 26 2011,19:45) I heard a teaching based on the scripture where God told man to replenish the Earth. The point being that to replenish something indicated that it had already been plenished (is there a such word?) beforehand.
t8I only know this one
Ge 9:7 As for you, be fruitful and increase in number; multiply on the earth and increase upon it.”
Pierre
Hi Pierre.I don't have an opinion here but am open to scriptural truth.
Here are a couple of scriptures in the KJV.Genesis 1:28
And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.Genesis 9:1
And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.
Hi T8,That idea is tied to these other biblical facts.
And the Earth was a waste and a desolation. (Genesis 1:2)תֹּ֫הוּ בֹּ֫הוּ
tōhü bôhüAnd the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face
of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. (Genesis 1:2)The same wording is used Jeremiah 4:23…
23: I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.
24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.
25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.
26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof
were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger.
27 For thus hath the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end.
28 For this shall the earth mourn, and the heavens above be black: because I have spoken it,
I have purposed it, and will not repent, neither will I turn back from it. (Jer.4:23-28)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Aug. 26 2011,20:32) Hi T8, That idea is tied to these other biblical facts.
And the Earth was a waste and a desolation. (Genesis 1:2)
Correct. That was part of the argument.Transliteration:
male' {maw-lay'} or mala' (Esth. 7:5) {maw-law'}
Word Origin:
a primitive root
TWOT:
1195
Part of Speech:
verb
Usage in the KJV:
fill 107, full 48, fulfil 28, consecrate 15, accomplish 7, replenish 7, wholly 6, set 6,re·plen·ishVerb/riˈpleniSH/
1. Fill (something) up again.
2. Restore (a stock or supply of something) to the former level or condition.The interesting point is that God told Noah what he told Adam and in Noah's case there was certainly a need to restock and fill up again.
But how does that relate to Adam.
If the word just means fill, then no need to look further here.
t8
Quote If the word just means fill, then no need to look further here. what else can it mean,it was said all the time at the beginning of a new start, right ?
Pierre
Quote (david @ Aug. 25 2011,22:05) This is crazy. Ya, Noah was 500. He had the 3 sons. (apparently only the 3 sons.) 100 years later, still only those three sons I guess, because they are the only ones on the ark. Bizarre. And Noah got to be five hundred years old. After that Noah became father to Shem, Ham and Ja′pheth.
If he had children before being 500 why weren't they on the ark?
After that Jehovah said to Noah: “Go, you and all your household, into the ark,
And Noah was six hundred years old when the deluge of waters occurred
Bizzare. It seems in those 600 years, Noah had 3 sons and that's it.?
That's what I'm saying!
And not only did Noah only have three sons……………AFTER he was 500 years old, but not one of those three had children of their own by the time they were 100 years old.
And when you read down chapter 5, and notice the ages of these men when they begot what I assume is their firstborn, it seems, at least to me, that people weren't popping out kids at a young age back then.
But this is all conjecture any way. My thought is this:
The first seven days happened as stated in Gen 1. But who's to say that God didn't continue resting for millions of years? And only then did He pluck ONE man out of the many running around and place that particular man in the Garden of Eden, and start His chosen people from that one man only? (Gen 2:8)
It would sure explain the million year old fossils of cavemen and such.
I don't know the answers, guys. There was just some wording about the creation that bothered me. And also some seemingly flawed time lines.
I read it as Cain was the firstborn (although I don't think that's even specifically stated), Abel was their second, and Seth was their third. And I think the “others” that Cain was afraid of were the already existent mankind from chapter 1.
peace,
mikeMike
Quote And I think the “others” that Cain was afraid of were the already existent mankind from chapter 1.
Ge 2:20 So the man gave names to all the livestock, the birds of the air and all the beasts of the field.
But for Adam no suitable helper was found.
Ge 2:18 The LORD God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him.did this not meant that there was no other human for him or no female helper for him ?
i believe their was no other human like him,
”
Ge 2:21 So the LORD God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man’s ribs and closed up the place with flesh.Pierre
Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 27 2011,04:25) t8 Quote If the word just means fill, then no need to look further here. what else can it mean,it was said all the time at the beginning of a new start, right ?
Pierre
Apparently it can mean replenish too. If that is the case then it is saying refill as opposed to fill. And that would make sense for Noah, but not for Adam with the current consenses.Here is a thought. If Adam is called the first adam (man) and Christ the second adam, then is there a -1adam?
Quote (t8 @ Aug. 27 2011,23:31) Here is a thought. If Adam is called the first adam (man) and Christ the second adam, then is there a -1adam?
t8you lost me
Pierre
So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit.
The point is that Adam is the first man. Probably ruling the existence of any man before him.
However, it is written that after the physical body comes the spiritual body. And we know that heavenly angels are spiritual beings. Is it possible that they may have been created lower like us and in time to be exalted like us, leading to the possibility that they could have existed here on Earth pre-man.
Who knows. In the end, such things appear to not be mentioned in scripture and we will know much more in the right season. But all we know is that there was war in Heaven. Does that include the heavens? If so, then the Earth may have a past even before the Earth was dark and without form.
Much is possible because we are given little pertaining to such things. But God reveals to us now what is important for us now. So it is these things that we can be sure about.
Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 26 2011,16:09) Ge 2:20 So the man gave names to all the livestock, the birds of the air and all the beasts of the field.
But for Adam no suitable helper was found.
Ge 2:18 The LORD God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him.did this not meant that there was no other human for him or no female helper for him ?
It means there was not found a suitable helper for Adam within the Garden of Eden, where God placed Adam.It doesn't necessarily mean there were no other humans living outside of the Garden at that time.
Hi All ,
God created Adam (in the garden) and I do believe that in Gen 1 people were created and was to muliply. It answers many questions about Cain and who throughtout biblical history yet we're all guessing about the subject. It comes to ' what do you believe and the understanding of our adversary.' The plan of our Father to lead us all to seek to be spiritual rather than carnal through our Lord of Lords the true son of God , Jesus; through knowledge and wisdom and understandings of our Father.
Well; have we ever considered this question? Why is their an adversary?
Quote (t8 @ Aug. 27 2011,19:35) So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit. The point is that Adam is the first man. Probably ruling the existence of any man before him.
However, it is written that after the physical body comes the spiritual body. And we know that heavenly angels are spiritual beings. Is it possible that they may have been created lower like us and in time to be exalted like us, leading to the possibility that they could have existed here on Earth pre-man.
Who knows. In the end, such things appear to not be mentioned in scripture and we will know much more in the right season. But all we know is that there was war in Heaven. Does that include the heavens? If so, then the Earth may have a past even before the Earth was dark and without form.
Much is possible because we are given little pertaining to such things. But God reveals to us now what is important for us now. So it is these things that we can be sure about.
t8 I don;t think that the Angels ever were like the Human beings, except those that came down to earth and married woman, and created Giants…
They already were created before God created man…. And to be with God they had to be Spirit Beings… IMOGen 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they [were] fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
Gen 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also [is] flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
Gen 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare [children] to them, the same [became] mighty men which [were] of old, men of renown.
Since God did not approve of them, they were not Humans before the creation of man…
Peace and Love Irene
t8
Quote So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit.
this is Paul allegory to explain that Christ is the way to everlasting live ,and that Adam was the process in witch God had locked all human in after his sin, disobedience ,and vanity of the meaning of live ,Quote The point is that Adam is the first man. Probably ruling the existence of any man before him. to me Adam is the first human,and he was created outside of the garden as per Gen;Ge 2:8 Now the LORD God had planted a garden in the east, in Eden; and there he put the man he had formed.he put the man he form
Quote However, it is written that after the physical body comes the spiritual body I believe that this option is only for the 144k
all others will live by the spirit on earth, so that flesh action and works are dead to all
Quote But all we know is that there was war in Heaven. Does that include the heavens? If so, then the Earth may have a past even before the Earth was dark and without form. the war in heaven happen only when Christ when back to heaven ,so it is not related to the beginning of creation or of the earth
the days of creation are not 24 hours days ,nor 7000 years but are periods of time in witch the works of God are performed ,and they could be all different in time ,
but what is good to see is that God made thing in a order so that what was the final creation came last MAN,scriptures also said God did not create the earth to be empty.
and yes we will know more after the judgment day,
Pierre
Quote (thehappyman @ Aug. 27 2011,08:34) Well; have we ever considered this question? Why is their an adversary?
I've always assumed it was because God didn't create “yes-man robots”. He gave us all free will, in the hopes that we would all CHOOSE to follow Him, as opposed to being FORCED to follow Him.As long as there is free will, there will always be the chance that someone like Satan will come along and buck the system……………EVEN in the new world to come. IMO.
What do YOU think, HM?
peace,
mike
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