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Quote (Colter @ Mar. 16 2013,04:12) The Adam & Eve story as well as his descendants was already known outside of Judaism. They couldn't whack off his descendants, they had to fill the gap.
Colter
Well, according to the OT, Noah is only the 10th from Adam. And that surely doesn't add up to 39,000 years of offspring, right?So flood or not, the OT scribes apparently whacked off a lot of Adam's ancestors – according to the UB.
And since that is the case, the flood story does nothing one way or the other to link Abraham to Adam. In other words, the OT ancestry would be the same with or without the flood.
I believe this shows the UB to be flawed – because they claim the scribes invented the flood story as a way to link Abraham to Adam, right? And it is obvious that the flood story is unnecessary to do that.
Quote (Colter @ Mar. 16 2013,04:31) Please see the life of Jesus, that's how a mature Son of God acts.
And so it is your claim that God only created perfect, “mature” sons?How then do you explain Satan – or the other ones that your UB says rebelled against God?
Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 16 2013,07:17) Technically each and every man on earth is descended from Adam. The link you speak of is already established by that fact alone.
Good point, Kerwin.Why “invent” a flood story to link Abraham to Adam, when, even according to the UB, Adam was the first human on earth, and all other humans, including Abraham, are subsequently linked to him anyway?
Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 16 2013,14:15) God has the power to make 1 billion years pass in a earth night and day and none would know the difference.
Another good point.There was no man to til the ground then God created adam. How do u undrstnd that verse mike? Was there a man before adam? Make ur own bible boy. Your words are non sense
The UB Explains that man has been on the earth for 1 million years, that's why we keep digging up bones and civilizations that are far older then the bibles young earth.
The UB reveals that Adam & Eve were incarnate celestial Sons of God on a populated earth.
Jesus was a revelation of the Father, he didn't act like the sadistic God created in the Gen narratives.
Satan was formerly a brilliant angel of light, he was a free will being, he fell into rebellion and sin quite on his own then set out to fool the whole world.
Life evolved on earth but it was believed during the age of the Samarians that Adam must have been the first man based on the belief in the young earth creation story.
Colter
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 17 2013,03:04) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 16 2013,00:29) The sons of God, Israel, noticed that the daughters of men, Gentiles, were good looking…………
So the daughters of the Hebrew people were NOT “daughters of adam“?How can this be, if the Hebrews were descendants of Adam?
Even if you don't believe the book of Enoch is legit, the story of the angels mating with humans, as recorded in Enoch, tells you how the people of that day understood Gen 6:4, right?
Do you know of anyone else who thinks the daughters of the Hebrews were not “daughters of adam”?
Mike,Adam is a son of God.
Abel is a son of God.
Seth is a son of God.
Cain was a son of God until he was cut off for slaying Able.
So the question is was Cain disowned by God and Adam?
What evidence exists that he was?
What evidence exists that he was not?Was Adam disowned by God?
What evidence exists that he was:
What evidence exists that he was not?Luke 3:37-38
King James Version (KJV)
37 Which was the son of Mathusala, which was the son of Enoch, which was the son of Jared, which was the son of Maleleel, which was the son of Cainan,
38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.and
Genesis 5
King James Version (KJV)1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.
3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, and after his image; and called his name Seth:Quote (Colter @ Mar. 17 2013,05:13) The UB Explains that man has been on the earth for 1 million years, that's why we keep digging up bones and civilizations that are far older then the bibles young earth. The UB reveals that Adam & Eve were incarnate celestial Sons of God on a populated earth.
Jesus was a revelation of the Father, he didn't act like the sadistic God created in the Gen narratives.
Satan was formerly a brilliant angel of light, he was a free will being, he fell into rebellion and sin quite on his own then set out to fool the whole world.
Life evolved on earth but it was believed during the age of the Samarians that Adam must have been the first man based on the belief in the young earth creation story.
Colter
Coltier,Homo antecessor was the “man” around 1 million years ago according to scientists. Anatomically modern humans are claimed to be traced to 200,000 years ago.
Are you doubting them now?
Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 16 2013,19:22) Cain was a son of God until he was cut off for slaying Able. So the question is was Cain disowned by God and Adam?
What evidence exists that he was.
What evidence exists that he was not.
Kerwin,In the absense of scripture that says Cain WAS disowned, I think we need to assume he wasn't.
Besides, that doesn't answer my point. Are you saying that because Adam is called “the son of God”, his female offspring were not “daughters of adam”?
Of course they were “daughters of adam”, both qualitatively, and literally.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 17 2013,13:24) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 16 2013,19:22) Cain was a son of God until he was cut off for slaying Able. So the question is was Cain disowned by God and Adam?
What evidence exists that he was.
What evidence exists that he was not.
Kerwin,In the absense of scripture that says Cain WAS disowned, I think we need to assume he wasn't.
Besides, that doesn't answer my point. Are you saying that because Adam is called “the son of God”, his female offspring were not “daughters of adam”?
Of course they were “daughters of adam”, both qualitatively, and literally.
Mike,Why are believers called the sons of God though they are the sons of Adam?
Why are the children of Israel called the children of the most high though they are the children of Seth?
The sons and daughters of God that are human are also know as the sons and daughters of man; just as Jesus is.
About Cain being disowned, Cain was hid from the face of God and left his presence. That implies that he was disowned while Adam who was not hid from God's face was not. Furthermore Seth's line is listed back to God while Cain's is started by Cain.
Genesis 5
King James Version (KJV)5 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.
3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, and after his image; and called his name Seth:
4 And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:Genesis 4:16-18
King James Version (KJV)16 And Cain went out from the presence of the Lord, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.
17 And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.
18 And unto Enoch was born Irad: and Irad begat Mehujael: and Mehujael begat Methusael: and Methusael begat Lamech.The line of Seth is clearly a type of Israel as they were in the presence of God while the line of Cain was a type of Gentile as they were not in the presence of God.
There are clearly two main lines of humanity at then time of the flood. One of those lines dwelt in the presence of God while the other did not. One is traced back to God while the other is traced back to Cain, who Eve called a man.
Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 17 2013,16:57) Quote (Colter @ Mar. 17 2013,05:13) The UB Explains that man has been on the earth for 1 million years, that's why we keep digging up bones and civilizations that are far older then the bibles young earth. The UB reveals that Adam & Eve were incarnate celestial Sons of God on a populated earth.
Jesus was a revelation of the Father, he didn't act like the sadistic God created in the Gen narratives.
Satan was formerly a brilliant angel of light, he was a free will being, he fell into rebellion and sin quite on his own then set out to fool the whole world.
Life evolved on earth but it was believed during the age of the Samarians that Adam must have been the first man based on the belief in the young earth creation story.
Colter
Coltier,Homo antecessor was the “man” around 1 million years ago according to scientists. Anatomically modern humans are traced to 200,000 years ago.
Are you doubting them now?
Kerwin,Why are you portraying me as representing all current scientific belief or theory as being the truth? The UB is at odds with current science in some areas while some science has now validated things from the UB that were at odds in 1955 when the UB was printed.
The UB reveals that Adam and Eve introduced the Violet race to earth, that they had children which blended into the human gene pool. Genetic researchers having no connection to the UB have validated the 1,000,000 age of humans and the 39,000 year old date for the infusion of the Microcephalin gene.
This is a summary of a report done by UBtHenews.com
Adam and Eve Summary
For the most part, The Urantia Book’s story about Adam and Eve differs considerably from the one found in the Old Testament. However, both accounts have three things in common: 1) a specific couple, living a long time ago in the Mesopotamia region, had a significant impact on humanity, 2) this couple behaved in a way that caused a big problem, and 3) the behavior problem precipitated the need to leave their original location.
According to The Urantia Book, which was published in 1955, the first human beings (roughly corresponding to Homo erectus) evolved about 1,000,000 years ago. It also recounts that almost 38,000 years ago Adam and Eve introduced some genetic upgrades into our gene pool, which enhanced brain function and resistance to disease (roughly corresponding with Homo sapiens sapiens). The authors extensively recount the development of the civilization that Adam and Eve started and how their descendants migrated around the world and mixed with other races. The Urantia Book provides specific information regarding time periods, places, degree of admixture with other races, and the impact on language and other aspects of culture.
Starting in 2004 numerous reports started to be published relating to portions of the Y chromosome and the Microcephalin gene. The Microcephalin gene play a critical role in the growth of the brain. The research results closely correlate with what The Urantia Book says about the spread of the genetic and cultural contributions of Adam and Eve. The research into Microcephalin indicates that new genetic material was introduced into the Microcephalin gene about 37,000 years ago and that the rest of the Microcephalin gene was approximately 990,000 years old. None of the obvious explanations for how new material might have been introduced fit well with the results of the research. It then spread into most of the human population quite rapidly, excepting sub-Saharan Africa. Similarly, Y chromosome related studies also document how some types of mutations or other changes occurred around 40,000 years ago, originating in the Mesopotamia region, and spreading quickly into most of humanity, excepting sub-Saharan Africa.
Colter,
Let us ignore the badly informed UBtHenews.com claim of homo erectus and cherry pick homo antecessor, who scientists claim was the “man” around 1 million years ago. Scientist claim anatomically correct human beings appeared on the scene 200,000 years ago. 39,000 years ago is a reasonable estimate of the introduction a derived form of small head gene, haplogroup D. The range of possibility is said to be 14,000 to 60,000 years ago. There appears to be a correlation with tonal languages, which brings to mind the tower of Babel legend.
Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 18 2013,00:53) Colter, Let us ignore the badly informed UBtHenews.com claim of homo erectus and cherry pick homo antecessor, who scientists claim was the “man” around 1 million years ago. Scientist claim anatomically correct human beings appeared on the scene 200,000 years ago. 39,000 years ago is a reasonable estimate of the introduction a derived form of small head gene, haplogroup D. The range of possibility is said to be 14,000 to 60,000 years ago. There appears to be a correlation with tonal languages, which brings to mind the tower of Babel legend.
Ok, according to the UB the fist attempt at building Babel (or Bablot or Bablod) was 50,000 years after the death of Nod (of the Sons of God who mated with the daughters of men, The Nephilim) roughly 150,000 BC.The second attempt to erect the tower was 12,000 BC on the ruins of the first tower.
Colter
Although there are some good points above, how about we have a dedicated thread to the UB.
This is about Adam and was he the first man.
And people wanting to know about that, would not expect to find a thread about the UBCheers.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 22 2011,05:27) Hi All, I have pondered this hard and long. I have been scoffed at and reminded that Adam is said to be the first man ever, and that Eve is the mother of all living.
But it never set well with me that when Cain was banished, he was afraid that “others” would kill him; and so God put a sign on him so the “others” wouldn't bother him.
WHO WERE THESE “OTHERS”?
And from where did Cain obtain a wife after being banished?
People are quick to point out that not every child of Adam and Eve were mentioned by name, so they may have had hundreds of children by the time Cain murdered Abel. But WHY were these already willingly living in the land of Nod, since it seemed such a bad punishment for Cain to be sent to that place?
And how does that add up to Eve saying this in 4:25: “God has granted me another child in place of Abel, since Cain killed him.”
That seems to be an odd statement if the couple already had hundreds of unmentioned children.
And I've wondered why the story of man's creation is told once in Genesis 1, and then again, mentioning Adam and Eve, in Genesis 2.
I've always thought in my own mind that these “men” created on the sixth day were more like the cavemen of old. And Adam represented the first man in which God placed His own Spirit.
Any comments?
mike
Adam and Eve were the first man and woman.Cain was their first born and Abel the second born.
Seth was the third born.
A and E must have had many other children besides.
Cain and Seth had to have had sisters to marry.
That would not be dangerous at that point seeing that the genetics were yet quite pure.
After all Eve was made from Adam. Their genetics must have been very close, but pure.
oatmeal
Quote (barley @ Mar. 23 2013,21:46) Adam and Eve were the first man and woman. Cain was their first born and Abel the second born.
Seth was the third born.
Howdy oatmeal,Long time no talk.
I agree with what you said above. But if Seth was the third, and Able was dead before Seth was born, that only leaves Adam, Eve, and Cain, right?
So who were the “others” that Cain was afraid of in the land of Nod?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 24 2013,17:32) Quote (barley @ Mar. 23 2013,21:46) Adam and Eve were the first man and woman. Cain was their first born and Abel the second born.
Seth was the third born.
Howdy oatmeal,Long time no talk.
I agree with what you said above. But if Seth was the third, and Able was dead before Seth was born, that only leaves Adam, Eve, and Cain, right?
So who were the “others” that Cain was afraid of in the land of Nod?
Hi MikeIt doesn't say that there were others in the land of Nod?
Can you show me in scripture.To all,
Genesis 4:14
King James Version (KJV)14 Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me.
Cain is speaking about the future and not the present. He is fearful that those that are alive in the future of his mortality will execute him on sight.
Scripture does not tell us how long Cain lived. It does tell us he was the founder of the city of Enoch.
It informs us Enoch was conceived after Cain's exile, though it hints at Cain's marriage taking place before.
Adam sired both sons and daughters but we are not told when with all of them. Seth would sire his own line and Cain would sire his and so the number of humans would grow in number.
During the rest of his mortality Cain's mark protects him from even the hand of wrath of his own children.
Quote (journey42 @ Mar. 24 2013,08:06) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 24 2013,17:32) Quote (barley @ Mar. 23 2013,21:46) Adam and Eve were the first man and woman. Cain was their first born and Abel the second born.
Seth was the third born.
I agree with what you said above. But if Seth was the third, and Able was dead before Seth was born, that only leaves Adam, Eve, and Cain, right?So who were the “others” that Cain was afraid of in the land of Nod?
Hi MikeIt doesn't say that there were others in the land of Nod?
Can you show me in scripture.
Genesis 4
13 Cain said to the Lord, “My punishment is more than I can bear. 14 Today you are driving me from the land, and I will be hidden from your presence; I will be a restless wanderer on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me.”Do you see how all these things Cain is worried about are in the future? Cain is not saying that right now, as he's talking to God, he is hidden from God's presence, right? Instead, he is saying that AFTER he LEAVES his current place of residence, THEN he WILL BE hidden from God's presence, right?
And he's not saying that he is a restless wanderer RIGHT NOW, right? Instead he's saying that AFTER he LEAVES, he WILL BE a restless wanderer in the land of Nod, right?
And it is at this point, WHEN HE IS A RESTLESS WANDERER, that he is worried about “the others” who might find him and kill him.
Ie: He is NOT worried about someone finding him and killing him RIGHT THERE and RIGHT THEN – while he is talking with God. He is worried about this happening AFTER he is banished out of God's presence. All of these things: “hidden from God's presence”, “being a restless wanderer”, and “someone finding and killing me”, are ALL things Cain is worried about happening AFTER he leaves to the land of Nod.
At least that is the way I understand it.
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