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Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 13 2013,05:57) Mike, Genesis 6:4
King James Version (KJV)4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
I believe the KJV uses the “;” to indicate the “after that” is when the sons of Gods mated with the daughters of men.
I cannot claim that I am an expert at punctuation.
I guess I always understood “and after that” as a parenthetical phrase:There were Nephilim in the earth in those days (and also after that) when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men……….
In other words, I understand it like this:
There were Nephilim in the earth in those days – when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men……….(oh, and btw, these Nephilim, which originated BECAUSE the sons of God came to the daughters of men, were also around for a long time AFTER the sons of God came to the daughters of men).
After all, aren't the Nephilim the PRODUCT OF the sons of God mating with the daughters of men? How then, were they in the earth BEFORE the sons of God mated with the daughters of men? I believe the “after that” must refer to AFTER the sons of God originally mated with human women.
peace,
mikeQuote (Wakeup @ Mar. 13 2013,09:30) Jesus own words:
Luke 11:51 From the blood of *ABEL* unto the blood of Zacharias, which perished between the altar and the temple: verily I say unto you, It shall be required of this generation.Abel was the first murder in history,after Adam sinned.
Good scriptural point, Wakeup! It seems that even Jesus (according to Colter's post) was duped by these lying, exiled scribes.Colter?
Colter,
Here is a page that speaks of many. High mounds or water vessels were the means of survival. 8 survivors in the land of Mesopotamia and its known world. Their are other legends that claim other survivors in other places. Story tellers take artistic liberties with their stories.
The Scientists you now insist are correct at first insisted Pangea never exited but have since come to believe that there was one land and that the seas were gathered together.
Quote (Colter @ Mar. 14 2013,05:38) ………as the Hebrew priests in Babylonian captivity sought to trace the Jewish people back to Adam, they found great difficulty in piecing the story together; and it occurred to one of them to abandon the effort, to let the whole world drown in its wickedness at the time of Noah’s flood, and thus to be in a better position to trace Abraham right back to one of the three surviving sons of Noah.
That doesn't make sense, Colter……. because Noah is traced back to Adam.Why make up a flood story for the purpose of tracing Abraham back to Adam, when a flood story isn't even needed to do such a thing?
Quote (Colter @ Mar. 14 2013,05:38) He brought much ridicule upon himself by going up and down the river valley advocating that all houses be built of wood, boat fashion, and that the family animals be put on board each night as the flood season approached. He would go to the neighboring river settlements every year and warn them that in so many days the floods would come. Finally a year came in which the annual floods were greatly augmented by unusually heavy rainfall so that the sudden rise of the waters wiped out the entire village; only Noah and his immediate family were saved in their houseboat.
Surely Noah wasn't the only person living on that river that had noticed the ever increasing seasonal flooding, right?So why do you suppose these other riverside dwellers would laugh at Noah's most sensible idea?
Were they all so stupid that they allowed themselves to be washed away – and only Noah was smart enough to realize that building a FLOATING house could save them?
Colter, I have to say that it makes more sense that a massive, UNEXPECTED flood of global proportions would catch more of us off guard than a seasonal flooding that we are all used to year after year.
If the UB story is true, Noah must have lived among complete idiots.
I don't buy it.
Quote (Colter @ Mar. 14 2013,16:16) No, the narrative is written ABOUT Moses, not by him and in Hebrew, which didn't start until 4-500 years after Moses lived.
I don't know about the beginning of the Hebrew language, but I agree that Moses himself did not write all of the pentatuech. There are many place names in those five books that weren't even named until much later.I don't doubt that Moses STARTED the story – or did the rough outline. But it is obvious that other writers have added to it over the years.
Colter, what is your source for the age of the Hebrew language?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 15 2013,06:34) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 13 2013,05:57) Mike, Genesis 6:4
King James Version (KJV)4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
I believe the KJV uses the “;” to indicate the “after that” is when the sons of Gods mated with the daughters of men.
I cannot claim that I am an expert at punctuation.
I guess I always understood “and after that” as a parenthetical phrase:There were Nephilim in the earth in those days (and also after that) when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men……….
In other words, I understand it like this:
There were Nephilim in the earth in those days – when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men……….(oh, and btw, these Nephilim, which originated BECAUSE the sons of God came to the daughters of men, were also around for a long time AFTER the sons of God came to the daughters of men).
After all, aren't the Nephilim the PRODUCT OF the sons of God mating with the daughters of men? How then, were they in the earth BEFORE the sons of God mated with the daughters of men? I believe the “after that” must refer to AFTER the sons of God originally mated with human women.
peace,
mike
Mike,I do not believe sons of God means angels in that passage. The book of Job is the only place I know of angels being called the sons of God. In the Law of it is the Hebrews the children of the most high. Those children are banned from marriage to aliens.
Never the less I hear your interpretation.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 15 2013,12:06) Quote (Colter @ Mar. 14 2013,05:38) He brought much ridicule upon himself by going up and down the river valley advocating that all houses be built of wood, boat fashion, and that the family animals be put on board each night as the flood season approached. He would go to the neighboring river settlements every year and warn them that in so many days the floods would come. Finally a year came in which the annual floods were greatly augmented by unusually heavy rainfall so that the sudden rise of the waters wiped out the entire village; only Noah and his immediate family were saved in their houseboat.
Surely Noah wasn't the only person living on that river that had noticed the ever increasing seasonal flooding, right?So why do you suppose these other riverside dwellers would laugh at Noah's most sensible idea?
Were they all so stupid that they allowed themselves to be washed away – and only Noah was smart enough to realize that building a FLOATING house could save them?
Colter, I have to say that it makes more sense that a massive, UNEXPECTED flood of global proportions would catch more of us off guard than a seasonal flooding that we are all used to year after year.
If the UB story is true, Noah must have lived among complete idiots.
I don't buy it.
You don't buy it, a large flood after people living in the flood plain had been warned by a wise man to be careful? But you buy a 500 year old Jewish man rounding up 2 of every living thing on earth, on a boat with his family, floating around for a year, then ending up passed out drunk and naked in his tent, and the world rapidly re-evolves?
? Seriously? The legend had been around for a long time, it was well known, that's how the Hebrew priest could incorporate it into their new miraculous, exaggerated history of the Israelite's.
Colter
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 15 2013,12:14) Quote (Colter @ Mar. 14 2013,16:16) No, the narrative is written ABOUT Moses, not by him and in Hebrew, which didn't start until 4-500 years after Moses lived.
I don't know about the beginning of the Hebrew language, but I agree that Moses himself did not write all of the pentatuech. There are many place names in those five books that weren't even named until much later.I don't doubt that Moses STARTED the story – or did the rough outline. But it is obvious that other writers have added to it over the years.
Colter, what is your source for the age of the Hebrew language?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HebrewAlso see how they date the OT to the captivity period:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Documentary_hypothesis
Colter
Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 15 2013,11:47) Colter, Here is a page that speaks of many. High mounds or water vessels were the means of survival. 8 survivors in the land of Mesopotamia and its known world. Their are other legends that claim other survivors in other places. Story tellers take artistic liberties with their stories.
The Scientists you now insist are correct at first insisted Pangea never exited but have since come to believe that there was one land and that the seas were gathered together.
The first clue Kerwin is that God is never disappointed in anything he has done, that's a human author speaking.Second, the author was clear. “Every living thing on the face of the earth was wiped out; people and animals and the creatures that move along the ground and the birds were wiped from the earth. Only Noah was left, and those with him in the ark.”
Colter
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 15 2013,11:56) Quote (Colter @ Mar. 14 2013,05:38) ………as the Hebrew priests in Babylonian captivity sought to trace the Jewish people back to Adam, they found great difficulty in piecing the story together; and it occurred to one of them to abandon the effort, to let the whole world drown in its wickedness at the time of Noah’s flood, and thus to be in a better position to trace Abraham right back to one of the three surviving sons of Noah.
That doesn't make sense, Colter……. because Noah is traced back to Adam.Why make up a flood story for the purpose of tracing Abraham back to Adam, when a flood story isn't even needed to do such a thing?
Smile, It makes sense if you realize that Adam and Eve were much older, 39,000 years, the new story fill's the genealogical gap and shortens time. They elevated themselves to Gods chosen people instead of Melchizedek's predicted people.Colter
Quote (Colter @ Mar. 15 2013,19:22) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 15 2013,11:47) Colter, Here is a page that speaks of many. High mounds or water vessels were the means of survival. 8 survivors in the land of Mesopotamia and its known world. Their are other legends that claim other survivors in other places. Story tellers take artistic liberties with their stories.
The Scientists you now insist are correct at first insisted Pangea never exited but have since come to believe that there was one land and that the seas were gathered together.
The first clue Kerwin is that God is never disappointed in anything he has done, that's a human author speaking.Second, the author was clear. “Every living thing on the face of the earth was wiped out; people and animals and the creatures that move along the ground and the birds were wiped from the earth. Only Noah was left, and those with him in the ark.”
Colter,God is often grieved by humanity who brings much sorrow to his heart.
The Hebrew word translated to “world” is sometimes translated as “land” because the context reveals its scope is less than the whole world. The translators of some bibles choose the traditional interpretation instead.
The eye witness evidence seems to speak of more world wide survivors.
Maybe this will help, Westerner's of Christendom tend to think of the Israelite experience through the tunnel vision of the Genesis narrative, but that narrative is a retrospective from a certain vantage point in time; it consolidates a long span of history into one line of thinking for a Jewish audience.
Take yourself back in time, Cain and Abel's contributions to the religious order of Adam's religion, what scripture did they have?
What about Seth? What was his “word of God” scripture, his ritual, something comparable to the Leviticus laws?
Enoch?
Abram, what narratives, what rituals, what religion did he practice before and after his covenant?
The captivity in Egypt, what scripture and religious laws did the descendants of Abraham adhere to? We know Moses made great reforms to their previous practices.
We overlook the world view, the theologies, the heritage of these previous cultures, of long spans of history because ALL of it is crafted into a neat package from a certain vantage point of the priestly authors of Genesis…..no matter when one thinks Genesis was written.
The Hebrews had no exclusive right on the ancient oral traditions of Adam and Eve which had to have been widely known by cultures all around Mesopotamia, but they innocently incorporated the creation story into Genesis as part of their explanation of things to the common believer.
Colter
Quote (Colter @ Mar. 15 2013,19:14) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 15 2013,12:06) Quote (Colter @ Mar. 14 2013,05:38) He brought much ridicule upon himself by going up and down the river valley advocating that all houses be built of wood, boat fashion, and that the family animals be put on board each night as the flood season approached. He would go to the neighboring river settlements every year and warn them that in so many days the floods would come. Finally a year came in which the annual floods were greatly augmented by unusually heavy rainfall so that the sudden rise of the waters wiped out the entire village; only Noah and his immediate family were saved in their houseboat.
Surely Noah wasn't the only person living on that river that had noticed the ever increasing seasonal flooding, right?So why do you suppose these other riverside dwellers would laugh at Noah's most sensible idea?
Were they all so stupid that they allowed themselves to be washed away – and only Noah was smart enough to realize that building a FLOATING house could save them?
Colter, I have to say that it makes more sense that a massive, UNEXPECTED flood of global proportions would catch more of us off guard than a seasonal flooding that we are all used to year after year.
If the UB story is true, Noah must have lived among complete idiots.
I don't buy it.
You don't buy it, a large flood after people living in the flood plain had been warned by a wise man to be careful? But you buy a 500 year old Jewish man rounding up 2 of every living thing on earth, on a boat with his family, floating around for a year, then ending up passed out drunk and naked in his tent, and the world rapidly re-evolves?? Seriously? The legend had been around for a long time, it was well known, that's how the Hebrew priest could incorporate it into their new miraculous, exaggerated history of the Israelite's.
Colter
Colter,Abraham came out of Mesopotamia where Noah(Utnapishtim)'s ark is an old story. The legend is far older than the Babylonian captivity.
Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 16 2013,01:38) Quote (Colter @ Mar. 15 2013,19:22) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 15 2013,11:47) Colter, Here is a page that speaks of many. High mounds or water vessels were the means of survival. 8 survivors in the land of Mesopotamia and its known world. Their are other legends that claim other survivors in other places. Story tellers take artistic liberties with their stories.
The Scientists you now insist are correct at first insisted Pangea never exited but have since come to believe that there was one land and that the seas were gathered together.
The first clue Kerwin is that God is never disappointed in anything he has done, that's a human author speaking.Second, the author was clear. “Every living thing on the face of the earth was wiped out; people and animals and the creatures that move along the ground and the birds were wiped from the earth. Only Noah was left, and those with him in the ark.”
Colter,God is often grieved by humanity who brings much sorrow to his heart.
The Hebrew word translated to “world” is sometimes translated as “land” because the context reveals its scope is less than the whole world. The translators of some bibles choose the traditional interpretation instead.
The eye witness evidence seems to speak of more world wide survivors.
Kerwin, God knows the end from the beginning, he is everywhere and every-when. God does not regret his work and then kill everything except a descendant of the Hebrew who wrote the story. You can imagine why these stories didn't penetrate far into China with their ancient dynasties……telling them that they are actually Jewish.
Men tend to create God in mans own image, Genesis is men telling a story.
I can appreciate your attempt at rationalizing, some poor young child may half way believe you in a Sunday school class, but you are just being complicit in the absurd.
Colter
Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 16 2013,02:06) Quote (Colter @ Mar. 15 2013,19:14) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 15 2013,12:06) Quote (Colter @ Mar. 14 2013,05:38) He brought much ridicule upon himself by going up and down the river valley advocating that all houses be built of wood, boat fashion, and that the family animals be put on board each night as the flood season approached. He would go to the neighboring river settlements every year and warn them that in so many days the floods would come. Finally a year came in which the annual floods were greatly augmented by unusually heavy rainfall so that the sudden rise of the waters wiped out the entire village; only Noah and his immediate family were saved in their houseboat.
Surely Noah wasn't the only person living on that river that had noticed the ever increasing seasonal flooding, right?So why do you suppose these other riverside dwellers would laugh at Noah's most sensible idea?
Were they all so stupid that they allowed themselves to be washed away – and only Noah was smart enough to realize that building a FLOATING house could save them?
Colter, I have to say that it makes more sense that a massive, UNEXPECTED flood of global proportions would catch more of us off guard than a seasonal flooding that we are all used to year after year.
If the UB story is true, Noah must have lived among complete idiots.
I don't buy it.
You don't buy it, a large flood after people living in the flood plain had been warned by a wise man to be careful? But you buy a 500 year old Jewish man rounding up 2 of every living thing on earth, on a boat with his family, floating around for a year, then ending up passed out drunk and naked in his tent, and the world rapidly re-evolves?? Seriously? The legend had been around for a long time, it was well known, that's how the Hebrew priest could incorporate it into their new miraculous, exaggerated history of the Israelite's.
Colter
Colter,Abraham came out of Mesopotamia where Noah(Utnapishtim)'s ark is an old story. The legend is far older than the Babylonian captivity.
I agree Kerwin, not only was the legend of Noah common, but so was the legend of Adam & Eve.When the Hebrews were compiling their new narratives, during the Babylonian captivity, they put the two together because Adam and Eve were so much older then their ability to trace their blood lines beyond Noah. They took a small flood in Mesopotamia and turned it into a world wide flood. Problem solved…..for a while.
Colter
Quote (Colter @ Mar. 15 2013,21:38) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 16 2013,02:06) Quote (Colter @ Mar. 15 2013,19:14) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 15 2013,12:06) Quote (Colter @ Mar. 14 2013,05:38) He brought much ridicule upon himself by going up and down the river valley advocating that all houses be built of wood, boat fashion, and that the family animals be put on board each night as the flood season approached. He would go to the neighboring river settlements every year and warn them that in so many days the floods would come. Finally a year came in which the annual floods were greatly augmented by unusually heavy rainfall so that the sudden rise of the waters wiped out the entire village; only Noah and his immediate family were saved in their houseboat.
Surely Noah wasn't the only person living on that river that had noticed the ever increasing seasonal flooding, right?So why do you suppose these other riverside dwellers would laugh at Noah's most sensible idea?
Were they all so stupid that they allowed themselves to be washed away – and only Noah was smart enough to realize that building a FLOATING house could save them?
Colter, I have to say that it makes more sense that a massive, UNEXPECTED flood of global proportions would catch more of us off guard than a seasonal flooding that we are all used to year after year.
If the UB story is true, Noah must have lived among complete idiots.
I don't buy it.
You don't buy it, a large flood after people living in the flood plain had been warned by a wise man to be careful? But you buy a 500 year old Jewish man rounding up 2 of every living thing on earth, on a boat with his family, floating around for a year, then ending up passed out drunk and naked in his tent, and the world rapidly re-evolves?? Seriously? The legend had been around for a long time, it was well known, that's how the Hebrew priest could incorporate it into their new miraculous, exaggerated history of the Israelite's.
Colter
Colter,Abraham came out of Mesopotamia where Noah(Utnapishtim)'s ark is an old story. The legend is far older than the Babylonian captivity.
I agree Kerwin, not only was the legend of Noah common, but so was the legend of Adam & Eve.When the Hebrews were compiling their new narratives, during the Babylonian captivity, they put the two together because Adam and Eve were so much older then their ability to trace their blood lines beyond Noah. They took a small flood in Mesopotamia and turned it into a world wide flood. Problem solved…..for a while.
Colter
Coulter,These legends are from the area as are the people that are known to have been their legends long before the Babylonian exile. Even variation of the Laws of Mosses were around when Abram left Mesopotamia.
Genesis 11:31
King James Version (KJV)31 And Terah took Abram his son, and Lot the son of Haran his son's son, and Sarai his daughter in law, his son Abram's wife; and they went forth with them from Ur of the Chaldees, to go into the land of Canaan; and they came unto Haran, and dwelt there.
The Code of Ur-Nammu is claimed to have been first written about the time the family left Southern Mesopotamia.
Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 16 2013,05:03) Quote (Colter @ Mar. 15 2013,21:38) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 16 2013,02:06) Quote (Colter @ Mar. 15 2013,19:14) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 15 2013,12:06) Quote (Colter @ Mar. 14 2013,05:38) He brought much ridicule upon himself by going up and down the river valley advocating that all houses be built of wood, boat fashion, and that the family animals be put on board each night as the flood season approached. He would go to the neighboring river settlements every year and warn them that in so many days the floods would come. Finally a year came in which the annual floods were greatly augmented by unusually heavy rainfall so that the sudden rise of the waters wiped out the entire village; only Noah and his immediate family were saved in their houseboat.
Surely Noah wasn't the only person living on that river that had noticed the ever increasing seasonal flooding, right?So why do you suppose these other riverside dwellers would laugh at Noah's most sensible idea?
Were they all so stupid that they allowed themselves to be washed away – and only Noah was smart enough to realize that building a FLOATING house could save them?
Colter, I have to say that it makes more sense that a massive, UNEXPECTED flood of global proportions would catch more of us off guard than a seasonal flooding that we are all used to year after year.
If the UB story is true, Noah must have lived among complete idiots.
I don't buy it.
You don't buy it, a large flood after people living in the flood plain had been warned by a wise man to be careful? But you buy a 500 year old Jewish man rounding up 2 of every living thing on earth, on a boat with his family, floating around for a year, then ending up passed out drunk and naked in his tent, and the world rapidly re-evolves?? Seriously? The legend had been around for a long time, it was well known, that's how the Hebrew priest could incorporate it into their new miraculous, exaggerated history of the Israelite's.
Colter
Colter,Abraham came out of Mesopotamia where Noah(Utnapishtim)'s ark is an old story. The legend is far older than the Babylonian captivity.
I agree Kerwin, not only was the legend of Noah common, but so was the legend of Adam & Eve.When the Hebrews were compiling their new narratives, during the Babylonian captivity, they put the two together because Adam and Eve were so much older then their ability to trace their blood lines beyond Noah. They took a small flood in Mesopotamia and turned it into a world wide flood. Problem solved…..for a while.
Colter
Coulter,These legends are from the area as are the people that are known to have been their legends long before the Babylonian exile. Even variation of the Laws of Mosses were around when Abram left Mesopotamia.
Genesis 11:31
King James Version (KJV)31 And Terah took Abram his son, and Lot the son of Haran his son's son, and Sarai his daughter in law, his son Abram's wife; and they went forth with them from Ur of the Chaldees, to go into the land of Canaan; and they came unto Haran, and dwelt there.
The Code of Ur-Nammu is claimed to have been first written about the time the family left Southern Mesopotamia.
Yes, I agree, and UR is in the general vicinity of the more ancient civilization of Dilmun, and before that Dalimatia “city of the Gods”, lands of the Nodite settlements hundreds of thousands of years hence.Melchizedek, the visible representative of God on earth, arrived 1,973 years before the birth of Jesus. From his Salem colony he sent forth missionaries to the four corners of the earth. It was Melchizedek who made the covenant with Abram, foretelling of the occupation of the lands of future Israel by his “seed”. Mel. knew of the coming of the Son of God.
“THE SALEM RELIGION”
93:4.1 The ceremonies of the Salem worship were very simple. Every person who signed or marked the clay-tablet rolls of the Melchizedek church committed to memory, and subscribed to, the following belief:
1. I believe in El Elyon, the Most High God, the only Universal Father and Creator of all things.
2. I accept the Melchizedek covenant with the Most High, which bestows the favor of God on my faith, not on sacrifices and burnt offerings.
3. I promise to obey the seven commandments of Melchizedek and to tell the good news of this covenant with the Most High to all men.93:4.5 And that was the whole of the creed of the Salem colony. But even such a short and simple declaration of faith was altogether too much and too advanced for the men of those days. They simply could not grasp the idea of getting divine favor for nothing—by faith. They were too deeply confirmed in the belief that man was born under forfeit to the gods. Too long and too earnestly had they sacrificed and made gifts to the priests to be able to comprehend the good news that salvation, divine favor, was a free gift to all who would believe in the Melchizedek covenant. But Abraham did believe halfheartedly, and even that was “counted for righteousness.”
93:4.6 The seven commandments promulgated by Melchizedek were patterned along the lines of the ancient Dalamatian supreme law and very much resembled the seven commands taught in the first and second Edens. These commands of the Salem religion were:
1. You shall not serve any God but the Most High Creator of heaven and earth.
2. You shall not doubt that faith is the only requirement for eternal salvation.
3. You shall not bear false witness.
4. You shall not kill.
5. You shall not steal.
6. You shall not commit adultery.
7. You shall not show disrespect for your parents and elders.Colter
Quote (Colter @ Mar. 16 2013,00:32) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 15 2013,11:56) Quote (Colter @ Mar. 14 2013,05:38) ………as the Hebrew priests in Babylonian captivity sought to trace the Jewish people back to Adam, they found great difficulty in piecing the story together; and it occurred to one of them to abandon the effort, to let the whole world drown in its wickedness at the time of Noah’s flood, and thus to be in a better position to trace Abraham right back to one of the three surviving sons of Noah.
That doesn't make sense, Colter……. because Noah is traced back to Adam.Why make up a flood story for the purpose of tracing Abraham back to Adam, when a flood story isn't even needed to do such a thing?
Smile, It makes sense if you realize that Adam and Eve were much older, 39,000 years, the new story fill's the genealogical gap and shortens time. They elevated themselves to Gods chosen people instead of Melchizedek's predicted people.Colter
Colter.Adam, you say is 39000 yrs old.
Where are the cities he has build.
I mean concrete cities and multistoreys
39000 years riding on camels?
Are they that stupid?What about the millions of years before him?
What has his generation invented?
Not even the wheel.In 5000years we have invented great mind boggling technology.Planes,ships of steel,multistoreys of concrete and steel,concrete bridges over great seas, electronics,cars all made of metals.
Show us some evidence instead of just words.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 16 2013,10:17) Quote (Colter @ Mar. 16 2013,00:32) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 15 2013,11:56) Quote (Colter @ Mar. 14 2013,05:38) ………as the Hebrew priests in Babylonian captivity sought to trace the Jewish people back to Adam, they found great difficulty in piecing the story together; and it occurred to one of them to abandon the effort, to let the whole world drown in its wickedness at the time of Noah’s flood, and thus to be in a better position to trace Abraham right back to one of the three surviving sons of Noah.
That doesn't make sense, Colter……. because Noah is traced back to Adam.Why make up a flood story for the purpose of tracing Abraham back to Adam, when a flood story isn't even needed to do such a thing?
Smile, It makes sense if you realize that Adam and Eve were much older, 39,000 years, the new story fill's the genealogical gap and shortens time. They elevated themselves to Gods chosen people instead of Melchizedek's predicted people.Colter
Colter.Adam, you say is 39000 yrs old.
Where are the cities he has build.
I mean concrete cities and multistoreys
39000 years riding on camels?
Are they that stupid?What about the millions of years before him?
What has his generation invented?
Not even the wheel.In 5000years we have invented great mind boggling technology.Planes,ships of steel,multistoreys of concrete and steel,concrete bridges over great seas, electronics,cars all made of metals.
Show us some evidence instead of just words.
wakeup.
ADAM AND EVE arrived on Urantia, from the year A.D. 1934, 37,848 years ago.after 100 years Eve sinned, then Adam. They repented but lost the use of the tree of life, they lost immortality.
Eve died at 511 years old
Adam died at 530 years old.Civilization once again sank into savagery.
Colter
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