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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 09 2013,05:59) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 07 2013,22:17) Mike, Neanderthals and Denisovans are said to crossbred with Cromagnons. They have some DNA to support the claim.
Fair enough, Kerwin.But my point is: In evolutionary theory, there existed “humanoids” BEFORE there existed what we call “homo sapiens”.
Could there have existed “humanoids” in the land of Nod BEFORE there existed what the Hebrews call “adam”?
Mike,Genesis 1:25
King James Version (KJV)25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
Jehovah did make humanoids; if apes and monkeys are classified as humanoids. Are you instead speaking of more intelligent beasts? If so I know of no evidence one way or another.
The crossbreeding of humanity with beasts is not mentioned. Such crossbreeding is the result of bestiality.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 08 2013,06:57) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 06 2013,03:25) Quote (journey42 @ Mar. 06 2013,19:15)
Hi MikeWhere does it say that there were others in the Land of Nod?
Hi Journey42,What Mike is referring to is who are these people Cain is fearful of slewing him?
Gen 4
..from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to
pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me.
Exactly, Ed.I can't imagine the wording referred to those who were right there with Cain at the time he was being banished. It sounds to me like he is speaking of “others” in the land to which he is being banished.
Mike,Do others include beasts?
Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 09 2013,16:17) Are you instead speaking of more intelligent beasts? If so I know of no evidence one way or another.
Yes I am, Kerwin. And I also don't know of any evidence one way or the other.I just know that Cain was afraid of “others” – seemingly in the land of Nod, and I can't explain who these “others” were, or how they got there.
Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 09 2013,16:24) Mike, Do others include beasts?
If the word “beasts” included everything from rats to great apes, the perhaps it could also included a human-LIKE being, who was not quite “adam”.Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 10 2013,05:41) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 09 2013,16:24) Mike, Do others include beasts?
If the word “beasts” included everything from rats to great apes, the perhaps it could also included a human-LIKE being, who was not quite “adam”.
Mike,Is humanity a hybrid beast/man?
What makes a living soul a man instead of a beast?
mike you talk nonsense
just accept that the first man is adam. stop dreaming boy. it is not good for your health
Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 09 2013,23:48) Mike, Is humanity a hybrid beast/man?
Perhaps those who are from Cain's lineage. I don't know, Kerwin.I started this thread because I had questions that I don't know the answers to.
It all makes more since if you consider the possibility that the Adam and Eve story is from the surviving fragments of a much older story relating to the events of two incarnate celestial beings who arrived on a previously populated earth as part of a redemption mission only to fail due to a flank attack by “the prince of this world” who was much more crafty.
If you consider the possibility that upon the failure of Adam and Eve, and the loss of their own immortality (use of the tree of life) the Son of God decided to make our lowly, dark world, the scene of his incarnation as a babe of the realm on a mission of salvation.
The OT books, which date to the Babylonian captivity period, were written for a more child like mind in a more mystical age to a scattered audience of the Israelite's whom had lost their nation, their national pride and in some respects, the integrity and promise of their traditional religious heritage.
The Hebrew priest DID NOT claim to be writing “the Word of God”, controlling church authority in subsequent ages have promoted that idolatrous idea.
Colter
Quote (Colter @ Mar. 12 2013,17:15) It all makes more since if you consider the possibility that the Adam and Eve story is from the surviving fragments of a much older story relating to the events of two incarnate celestial beings who arrived on a previously populated earth as part of a redemption mission only to fail due to a flank attack by “the prince of this world” who was much more crafty. If you consider the possibility that upon the failure of Adam and Eve, and the loss of their own immortality (use of the tree of life) the Son of God decided to make our lowly, dark world, the scene of his incarnation as a babe of the realm on a mission of salvation.
The OT books, which date to the Babylonian captivity period, were written for a more child like mind in a more mystical age to a scattered audience of the Israelite's whom had lost their nation, their national pride and in some respects, the integrity and promise of their traditional religious heritage.
The Hebrew priest DID NOT claim to be writing “the Word of God”, controlling church authority in subsequent ages have promoted that idolatrous idea.
Colter
Coulter,The laws and the prophecies are the inspired words of God while the historic content was written by godly men.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 12 2013,08:24) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 09 2013,23:48) Mike, Is humanity a hybrid beast/man?
Perhaps those who are from Cain's lineage. I don't know, Kerwin.I started this thread because I had questions that I don't know the answers to.
Mike,It is plausible and at best hinted at in scripture.
The way I understand it is that interbreeding is a sign of different creatures of the same kind.
In which case these beasts would be humans.
According to the Book of Enoch and where the Bible quotes it, the sons of God sinned against men and beasts. They made flesh corrupt and made flesh devour one another.
God flooded the Earth to destroy these works. He kept Noah because not only was he righteous, but he was also without blemish.
This sort of activity shows things were going on that most people are no taught. And as it says, “There were Nephilim on the Earth in those days and after that”, we then have to assume that pre-Adam, things may have existed that we are not aware of.
Quote (t8 @ Mar. 13 2013,04:17) According to the Book of Enoch and where the Bible quotes it, the sons of God sinned against men and beasts. They made flesh corrupt and made flesh devour one another. God flooded the Earth to destroy these works. He kept Noah because not only was he righteous, but he was also without blemish.
This sort of activity shows things were going on that most people are no taught. And as it says, “There were Nephilim on the Earth in those days and after that”, we then have to assume that pre-Adam, things may have existed that we are not aware of.
T8,Is not “after” the days when the sons of God married the sons of men?
I always understood “after” to be referring to Numbers 13:33 – which says the offspring of the Nephilim were STILL around – even after the flood.
There are SO many questions, but like t8 said, we are obviously not meant to know it all.
Even angels long to look into some of these things. (1 Peter 1:12)
Jesus, explaining his parables, said to the disciples:
Matthew 13
16 But blessed are your eyes because they see, and your ears because they hear. 17 For truly I tell you, many prophets and righteous people longed to see what you see but did not see it, and to hear what you hear but did not hear it.Perhaps some day, we too will be given eyes to see, and ears to hear these things. But for right now, it seems we are relegated to the group mentioned in verse 17.
Quote (Colter @ Mar. 12 2013,05:15) The OT books, which date to the Babylonian captivity period…………..
Hey Colter,I thought about you today while doing my daily Bible reading.
Joshua 6:25
Yet Joshua spared Rahab the prostitute, her father’s family, and all who belonged to her. She lives in Israel to this very day because she hid the messengers Joshua sent to spy on Jericho.If the OT was really written during the exile, then either Rahab lived to a VERY old age (all the way until the exile), or these exiled scribes tried to pull a very deceitful fast one on us.
Quote (t8 @ Mar. 13 2013,09:17) According to the Book of Enoch and where the Bible quotes it, the sons of God sinned against men and beasts. They made flesh corrupt and made flesh devour one another. God flooded the Earth to destroy these works. He kept Noah because not only was he righteous, but he was also without blemish.
This sort of activity shows things were going on that most people are no taught. And as it says, “There were Nephilim on the Earth in those days and after that”, we then have to assume that pre-Adam, things may have existed that we are not aware of.
Hi T8,Are you familiar with Dr. Arnold Murray?
He teaches that there were three Earth ages.
This one, one before this one, and one that is to come.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 13 2013,11:54) Quote (Colter @ Mar. 12 2013,05:15) The OT books, which date to the Babylonian captivity period…………..
Hey Colter,I thought about you today while doing my daily Bible reading.
Joshua 6:25
Yet Joshua spared Rahab the prostitute, her father’s family, and all who belonged to her. She lives in Israel to this very day because she hid the messengers Joshua sent to spy on Jericho.If the OT was really written during the exile, then either Rahab lived to a VERY old age (all the way until the exile), or these exiled scribes tried to pull a very deceitful fast one on us.
Hi Mike,I see the problem you pointed out, there are other “problems” with the OT books as well.
If Moses, the reformer, wrote Genesis then what was the scripture from Adams day up until Moses began writing? What scriptures, laws and priestly rites were being practiced in Egypt that Moses needed to reform? We must assume that the 500 year old Noah had all the history on his IPod and left that with someone before the entire world rapidly repopulated with new races?
If the Hebrew language only dates to 900 BC then how could a much older Moses use language and much later terms???
The elite Hebrew priest class that redacted the OT books were trying to save the faith of the scattered Israelite's, they never claimed to be writing Gods Word.
Colter
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 13 2013,06:47) I always understood “after” to be referring to Numbers 13:33 – which says the offspring of the Nephilim were STILL around – even after the flood. There are SO many questions, but like t8 said, we are obviously not meant to know it all.
Even angels long to look into some of these things. (1 Peter 1:12)
Jesus, explaining his parables, said to the disciples:
Matthew 13
16 But blessed are your eyes because they see, and your ears because they hear. 17 For truly I tell you, many prophets and righteous people longed to see what you see but did not see it, and to hear what you hear but did not hear it.Perhaps some day, we too will be given eyes to see, and ears to hear these things. But for right now, it seems we are relegated to the group mentioned in verse 17.
Mike,Genesis 6:4
King James Version (KJV)4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
I believe the KJV uses the “;” to indicate the “after that” is when the sons of Gods mated with the daughters of men.
I cannot claim that I am an expert at punctuation.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 13 2013,11:47) I always understood “after” to be referring to Numbers 13:33 – which says the offspring of the Nephilim were STILL around – even after the flood. There are SO many questions, but like t8 said, we are obviously not meant to know it all.
Even angels long to look into some of these things. (1 Peter 1:12)
Jesus, explaining his parables, said to the disciples:
Matthew 13
16 But blessed are your eyes because they see, and your ears because they hear. 17 For truly I tell you, many prophets and righteous people longed to see what you see but did not see it, and to hear what you hear but did not hear it.Perhaps some day, we too will be given eyes to see, and ears to hear these things. But for right now, it seems we are relegated to the group mentioned in verse 17.
Noah's flood story was the adaptation of a localized legend involving a much smaller flood in Mesopotamia.The purpose of the flood story was to trace the bloodlines of the Israelite's back to Adam (who was believed to be the first man by people living in that age). That's why they had to bring the Nephilim forward, their own editing caused problems for beliefs and narratives already in existence. Notice that they had Noah sin again, drunk, naked in his tent, bringing original sin forward after the dubious flood.
Because Adam was much, much older, the priestly redactors decided to “drown the whole world in it's own wickedness”. Problem solved, at least in that age, but now we know better.
With every edit the priest left clues of the previous written records or oral traditions like the numbering of Israel or the two differing accounts of making David king.
With the Urantia revelation we now know who the “sons of God” were that mated with the daughters of men. They predate Adam by 500,000 years and went into rebellion with the “prince of this world” or “crafty beast” roughly 200,000 years ago. Adam arrived about 39,000 years ago in the garden location prepared for them by Van and his followers.
Colter
Quote (Colter @ Mar. 14 2013,00:57) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 13 2013,11:47) I always understood “after” to be referring to Numbers 13:33 – which says the offspring of the Nephilim were STILL around – even after the flood. There are SO many questions, but like t8 said, we are obviously not meant to know it all.
Even angels long to look into some of these things. (1 Peter 1:12)
Jesus, explaining his parables, said to the disciples:
Matthew 13
16 But blessed are your eyes because they see, and your ears because they hear. 17 For truly I tell you, many prophets and righteous people longed to see what you see but did not see it, and to hear what you hear but did not hear it.Perhaps some day, we too will be given eyes to see, and ears to hear these things. But for right now, it seems we are relegated to the group mentioned in verse 17.
Noah's flood story was the adaptation of a localized legend involving a much smaller flood in Mesopotamia.The purpose of the flood story was to trace the bloodlines of the Israelite's back to Adam (who was believed to be the first man by people living in that age). That's why they had to bring the Nephilim forward, their own editing caused problems for beliefs and narratives already in existence. Notice that they had Noah sin again, drunk, naked in his tent, bringing original sin forward after the dubious flood.
Because Adam was much, much older, the priestly redactors decided to “drown the whole world in it's own wickedness”. Problem solved, at least in that age, but now we know better.
With every edit the priest left clues of the previous written records or oral traditions like the numbering of Israel or the two differing accounts of making David king.
With the Urantia revelation we now know who the “sons of God” were that mated with the daughters of men. They predate Adam by 500,000 years and went into rebellion with the “prince of this world” or “crafty beast” roughly 200,000 years ago. Adam arrived about 39,000 years ago in the garden location prepared for them by Van and his followers.
Colter
Hi Colter.You obviously worship God and Jesus with your lips.
Believing in God but denying the power.
That is why you go for strange flesh rather than the flesh of Christ.Jesus came in the name of God ,and you dont believe him.
But some one else came in his own name, and you embrace him.In latter times some depart from the faith;giving heed to seducing spirits.
Jesus own words:
Luke 11:51 From the blood of *ABEL* unto the blood of Zacharias, which perished between the altar and the temple: verily I say unto you, It shall be required of this generation.Abel was the first murder in history,after Adam sinned.
Before Adam there was no living soul. God fashioned adam with his own hands; in his own image. none else but Adam,and Eve.Satan has *thousands of years* to infiltrate every single thing that is holy. He created all sorts of religions,and wrote all sorts of books,by the hand of his boys.
And you got sucked in,because of lack of spiritual knowledge.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 14 2013,02:30) Quote (Colter @ Mar. 14 2013,00:57) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 13 2013,11:47) I always understood “after” to be referring to Numbers 13:33 – which says the offspring of the Nephilim were STILL around – even after the flood. There are SO many questions, but like t8 said, we are obviously not meant to know it all.
Even angels long to look into some of these things. (1 Peter 1:12)
Jesus, explaining his parables, said to the disciples:
Matthew 13
16 But blessed are your eyes because they see, and your ears because they hear. 17 For truly I tell you, many prophets and righteous people longed to see what you see but did not see it, and to hear what you hear but did not hear it.Perhaps some day, we too will be given eyes to see, and ears to hear these things. But for right now, it seems we are relegated to the group mentioned in verse 17.
Noah's flood story was the adaptation of a localized legend involving a much smaller flood in Mesopotamia.The purpose of the flood story was to trace the bloodlines of the Israelite's back to Adam (who was believed to be the first man by people living in that age). That's why they had to bring the Nephilim forward, their own editing caused problems for beliefs and narratives already in existence. Notice that they had Noah sin again, drunk, naked in his tent, bringing original sin forward after the dubious flood.
Because Adam was much, much older, the priestly redactors decided to “drown the whole world in it's own wickedness”. Problem solved, at least in that age, but now we know better.
With every edit the priest left clues of the previous written records or oral traditions like the numbering of Israel or the two differing accounts of making David king.
With the Urantia revelation we now know who the “sons of God” were that mated with the daughters of men. They predate Adam by 500,000 years and went into rebellion with the “prince of this world” or “crafty beast” roughly 200,000 years ago. Adam arrived about 39,000 years ago in the garden location prepared for them by Van and his followers.
Colter
Hi Colter.You obviously worship God and Jesus with your lips.
Believing in God but denying the power.
That is why you go for strange flesh rather than the flesh of Christ.Jesus came in the name of God ,and you dont believe him.
But some one else came in his own name, and you embrace him.In latter times some depart from the faith;giving heed to seducing spirits.
Jesus own words:
Luke 11:51 From the blood of *ABEL* unto the blood of Zacharias, which perished between the altar and the temple: verily I say unto you, It shall be required of this generation.Abel was the first murder in history,after Adam sinned.
Before Adam there was no living soul. God fashioned adam with his own hands; in his own image. none else but Adam,and Eve.Satan has *thousands of years* to infiltrate every single thing that is holy. He created all sorts of religions,and wrote all sorts of books,by the hand of his boys.
And you got sucked in,because of lack of spiritual knowledge.wakeup.
Wakeup,I see you still have more faith in Satan then God, and you still make the same accusation that the enemies of Jesus made.
You have a narrow and limited mind, it is impossible for you to hear or learn anything because of your proud fetish worship of the books the priest wrote.
The OT books themselves still have traces of the ancient Nodite civilization but you are simply to invested in the easy path of book worship rather then the faith path of following truth. You are therefore an intellectually dishonest person, craving conformity, one who cowers in superstitious fear.
There simply is no difference between you and those who rejected Jesus' Liberal gospel of spiritual salvation.
We don't have anything in common to discuss.
Colter
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