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Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 06 2013,01:26) Hi Journey42, Why would Eve complain about no offspring, if Abel had some?
which, by the way, none are mentioned anywhere in Scripture.“And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called
his name Seth: For God, said Eve, hath appointed me another
SEED instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.” (Genesis 4:25)God bless
Ed J
Hi Journey42,Cain was not necessarily the offspring of Adam, there
are many who suggest Cain was the seed of the serpent.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (kerwin @ Mar. 05 2013,14:44) Journey, Quote When God said “Let there be light” on the first day,
where did this light come from?
The sun obviously.There are many sources of light in our universe alone but many of them including the Sun are written to have been created on the forth day.
Do you believe heaven has a night and day and a source or sources of light?
Kerwin.There can not be day without the sun.
Those people back then would not have the knowledge
regarding different sources of lights.Common sense tells us that the sun has to be created first.
There can not be any life form without sunlight.Genesis 1:14 And God said, Let there be **lights** in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for **signs**, and for **seasons**, and for days, and years: THIS IS ABOUT LIGHTS.(STARS AND THE MOON FOR SEASONS).THE SUN IS FOR THE DAYS,DO YOU NOTICE IT SAYS **DAYS**.the sun was was there on the first day.
Genesis 1:15 And let them be for **lights** in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.(LIGHTS AT NIGHT). LIGHTS AS PLURAL.
Genesis 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light **to rule the night**: he made the stars also. (GOD MADE THE MOON AND THE STARS ON THE 4TH DAY).THE SUN WAS ALREADY MADE ON THE FIRST DAY. THE MOON CAN ONLY BE SEEN AT NIGHT BY REFLECTING SUNLIGHT.THE MOON ITSELF HAS NO LIGHT.
Genesis 1:17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, (LIGHT ON EARTH AT NIGHT TIME).
Genesis 1:18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.(TO RULE THE DAY WOULD BE THE SUN, AND TO RULE THE NIGHT WOULD BE THE MOON AND STARS).
Genesis 1:19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
Since the sun was there already on the first day;It would be
fair to say that on the 4th day, the stars and the moon were created.wakeup.
Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 06 2013,02:01) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 06 2013,01:26) Hi Journey42, Why would Eve complain about no offspring, if Abel had some?
which, by the way, none are mentioned anywhere in Scripture.“And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called
his name Seth: For God, said Eve, hath appointed me another
SEED instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.” (Genesis 4:25)God bless
Ed J
Hi Journey42,Cain was not necessarily the offspring of Adam, there
are many who suggest Cain was the seed of the serpent.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EDJ.If that was the case, then why is satan not put in prison with the other fallen angels?
Why is he free?
The book of enoch says that Adam and Eve begat two bulls,
one red bull and a black bull. The black bull gores the red bull,and the red bull is no more.wakeup.
Wakeup,
You say:
Quote There can not be day without the sun.
Those people back then would not have the knowledge
regarding different sources of lights.The people back then knew of the heavens. They had different sources of light in different rooms. From there you can figure out that heaven has a source of light and earth has another source of light.
Quote Common sense tells us that the sun has to be created first. There can not be any life form without sunlight. There were plants:
Genesis 1:10-13
King James Version (KJV)10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.Which had not yet grown on earth as it is written:
Genesis 2:5
King James Version (KJV)5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.
So where did the plants created on the 3rd Night and Day grow?
Quote THE SUN IS FOR THE DAYS,DO YOU NOTICE IT SAYS **DAYS**.the sun was was there on the first day. The Sun is for the days of earth. The sun was not there on the first Night and Day as it is written about the fourth that:
Quote God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light **to rule the night… Quote (david @ Mar. 05 2013,12:11) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 04 2013,22:41) Quote (journey42 @ Mar. 04 2013,11:15) Genesis 1:5 And the evening and the morning were the first day.
Genesis 1:8 And the evening and the morning were the second day.
Genesis 1:13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.
Genesis 1:19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
Genesis 1:23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
Genesis 1:31 And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.The earth is already orbiting around the sun from day one, or there would be no evening or morning. This is how we get our days.
Genesis 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night, and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for DAYS, and YEARS.
Hi Journey42,The Earths rotation (or axes spin) begun on Day 1,
the Earths orbit (around the sun) began on Day 4.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Not necessarily“In the beginning, GoD created the heavens and the earth”
I would understand this verse to be, like the Big Bang, GOd creating matter, everything.
Think of it like a painter throwing all his paint onto a canvass. And once the paint is there, he will play with it and fine tune it.
As for the creation of day and night, for me, it seems that these days are viewed in the order that they would appear to a person if they were on earth.
For instance, when he said let there be light, this could have just been a clearing of the atmosphere so that light now reached the ground of the earth…and not meaning that he popped the sin into existence at that moment.
1:1 just says that God created the universe, including earth. Then, we focus on the earth and look at the order that things appeared in, from the vantage point of the earth.
David,No Sun, no moon, and no stars until the forth Night and Day.
Can you account for that in your hypothesis?
Quote (t8 @ Mar. 05 2013,01:58) God created or transformed Earth in six days. This could mean 6 literal Earth days where God is creating a the speed of light, 6 thousands years where God is creating at the speed of light, or 6 stages, where the time could be much greater.
Good point. The Hebrew word “yowm”, which is the word translated as “day” in the creation account, can also mean “year”, or “a time period in general”.Quote (journey42 @ Mar. 05 2013,07:02) I'm only assuming because Cain had no offspring until he was banished. It is clear there are others around, therefore where else would they come from?
My point exactly! Where DID all these “others” come from?
Quote (journey42 @ Mar. 05 2013,07:02) Now it's pointing to Adam fathering his daughters children. Eeek.
Eeek indeed.Quote (journey42 @ Mar. 05 2013,07:02) Yes, and they had many more children who were not recorded either. So just the three main sons mentioned.
Yeah, but Abel was the righteous one of the first two……….. Surely some (or at least one) of HIS offspring would be worth a mention, right?Quote (journey42 @ Mar. 05 2013,07:02) Could it be God was comforting Eve with another son to take away her sadness?
Perhaps…… But why such a big deal about it if she already had hundreds of descendants?Quote (journey42 @ Mar. 05 2013,07:02) There's a lot of questions which I can't answer 100%, but only guess. My answers are not gospel, just trying to sort it out in my head
I can't answer them either. But I got tired of everyone justifying these “others” with the assumption that Adam and Eve and their offspring were multiplying like rabbits – when the ages mentioned in the scriptures support just the opposite. Like I mentioned before, Noah was 500 years old when he had his first child. And each of his three sons was over 100 when they had their first. This doesn't align with “multiplying like rabbits” in my mind. But everyone seems to just accept the “rabbit” theory, as can be seen from your first comment: Abel MUST have had offspring – otherwise where did they come from?Anyway, I started this thread to point out that it's just not as easy as assuming Adam and Eve multiplied like rabbits. Other things don't seem to align with that thought.
peace,
mikeQuote (Ed J @ Mar. 05 2013,08:26) Hi Journey42, Why would Eve complain about no offspring, if Abel had some?
which, by the way, none are mentioned anywhere in Scripture.“And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called
his name Seth: For God, said Eve, hath appointed me another
SEED instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.” (Genesis 4:25)God bless
Ed J
That's how I'm seeing it, Ed. I see the words “to replace Abel”, or “instead of Abel”, and I assume there was only Cain and Abel, and once Abel died, God gave Eve Seth as a replacement for Abel.Anyway, how do YOU understand the “others” in the land of Nod, Ed?
Where do you weigh in on this topic?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 06 2013,11:35) Quote (t8 @ Mar. 05 2013,01:58) God created or transformed Earth in six days. This could mean 6 literal Earth days where God is creating a the speed of light, 6 thousands years where God is creating at the speed of light, or 6 stages, where the time could be much greater.
Good point. The Hebrew word “yowm”, which is the word translated as “day” in the creation account, can also mean “year”, or “a time period in general”.
Hi MikeIn the creation account, from evening to morning was one day. One spin of the earth.
If one day stood for a year, and God created Adam on the sixth day, then by the time God finished resting on the seventh day, Adam would of been 1000 years old!
Adam died when he was 930 years old.Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 06 2013,11:54) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 05 2013,08:26) Hi Journey42, Why would Eve complain about no offspring, if Abel had some?
which, by the way, none are mentioned anywhere in Scripture.“And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called
his name Seth: For God, said Eve, hath appointed me another
SEED instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.” (Genesis 4:25)God bless
Ed J
That's how I'm seeing it, Ed. I see the words “to replace Abel”, or “instead of Abel”, and I assume there was only Cain and Abel, and once Abel died, God gave Eve Seth as a replacement for Abel.Anyway, how do YOU understand the “others” in the land of Nod, Ed?
Where do you weigh in on this topic?
Hi MikeWhere does it say that there were others in the Land of Nod?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 06 2013,11:54) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 05 2013,08:26) Hi Journey42, Why would Eve complain about no offspring, if Abel had some?
which, by the way, none are mentioned anywhere in Scripture.“And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called
his name Seth: For God, said Eve, hath appointed me another
SEED instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.” (Genesis 4:25)God bless
Ed J
That's how I'm seeing it, Ed. I see the words “to replace Abel”, or “instead of Abel”, and I assume there was only Cain and Abel, and once Abel died, God gave Eve Seth as a replacement for Abel.Anyway, how do YOU understand the “others” in the land of Nod, Ed?
Where do you weigh in on this topic?
Hi Mike,It's a mystery and, so far, I haven't heard one explanation I can sign on to as of yet.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 06 2013,11:54) Where do you weigh in on this topic?
Hi Mike,The bible clearly says “Adam” was THE FIRST man.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (journey42 @ Mar. 06 2013,19:15) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 06 2013,11:54) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 05 2013,08:26) Hi Journey42, Why would Eve complain about no offspring, if Abel had some?
which, by the way, none are mentioned anywhere in Scripture.“And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called
his name Seth: For God, said Eve, hath appointed me another
SEED instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.” (Genesis 4:25)God bless
Ed J
That's how I'm seeing it, Ed. I see the words “to replace Abel”, or “instead of Abel”, and I assume there was only Cain and Abel, and once Abel died, God gave Eve Seth as a replacement for Abel.Anyway, how do YOU understand the “others” in the land of Nod, Ed?
Where do you weigh in on this topic?
Hi MikeWhere does it say that there were others in the Land of Nod?
Hi Journey42,What Mike is referring to is who are these people Cain is fearful of slewing him?
Gen 4:13-15 And Cain said unto the LORD, My punishment is greater than I can bear.
Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face
shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to
pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me. And the LORD said unto him,
Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold.
And the Lord set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi Journey42 and others,
Was Cain speaking prophetically about his future siblings? …or is their another explanation?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 06 2013,11:54) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 05 2013,08:26) Hi Journey42, Why would Eve complain about no offspring, if Abel had some?
which, by the way, none are mentioned anywhere in Scripture.“And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called
his name Seth: For God, said Eve, hath appointed me another
SEED instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.” (Genesis 4:25)God bless
Ed J
That's how I'm seeing it, Ed. I see the words “to replace Abel”, or “instead of Abel”, and I assume there was only Cain and Abel, and once Abel died, God gave Eve Seth as a replacement for Abel.Anyway, how do YOU understand the “others” in the land of Nod, Ed?
Where do you weigh in on this topic?
Mike B.And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called
his name Seth: For God, said Eve, hath appointed me another
SEED instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.” (Genesis 4:25)This does not mean that Eve has no sons *before* Abel was murdered.
Genesis 4:1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD. (CAIN THE FIRTST SON).
Genesis 4:2 And she *again* bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground. (ABEL THE SECOND SON).
Genesis 4:3 *AND IN PROCESS OF TIME* it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the LORD.
IN PROCESS OF TIME; SOME TIME HAVE ELAPSED.
MANY COULD HAVE BEEN BORN DURING THIS TIME.wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,
Eve is complaining about having no seed, so where did they come from then?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Mar. 06 2013,15:35) Hi Journey42 and others, Was Cain speaking prophetically about his future siblings? …or is their another explanation?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed J.He was not talking about the present He seemed to be speaking of his father, his mother, and any daughters that had been born at that time as well as the generations to come.
I am assuming he was not speaking of either beasts or angels.
Hi Kerwin,
It seems like the most reasonable explanation to me,
at least I have not heard a better one as of yet.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Mar. 06 2013,20:25) Quote (journey42 @ Mar. 06 2013,19:15) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 06 2013,11:54) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 05 2013,08:26) Hi Journey42, Why would Eve complain about no offspring, if Abel had some?
which, by the way, none are mentioned anywhere in Scripture.“And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called
his name Seth: For God, said Eve, hath appointed me another
SEED instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.” (Genesis 4:25)God bless
Ed J
That's how I'm seeing it, Ed. I see the words “to replace Abel”, or “instead of Abel”, and I assume there was only Cain and Abel, and once Abel died, God gave Eve Seth as a replacement for Abel.Anyway, how do YOU understand the “others” in the land of Nod, Ed?
Where do you weigh in on this topic?
Hi MikeWhere does it say that there were others in the Land of Nod?
Hi Journey42,What Mike is referring to is who are these people Cain is fearful of slewing him?
Gen 4:13-15 And Cain said unto the LORD, My punishment is greater than I can bear.
Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face
shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to
pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me. And the LORD said unto him,
Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold.
And the Lord set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Hi EdCain says “that every one that findeth me shall slay me”.
How does this prove that there are others already living in the Land of Nod?
Have I missed another verse somewhere that implies this?
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