Virgin birth

[gollamudi]

Hi all,
Here are different thoughts on virgin birth of Jesus our Lord;

“Behold a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.” — Isaiah 7:14

“Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise; when as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.” — Matthew 1:18

Why must Jesus Christ bypass ordinary human conception and be Virgin Born?

Many Christians do not really know the answer to the question. To them, it seems that it was “just a proof” that Jesus Christ was a Son of God. Nevertheless, the reason should now be obvious to you if you have seriously studied the preceding paragraphs.

The blood of man was involved in the Fall. Therefore God had to choose BLOOD in his Redemption plan as His Own law requires it (Gen.9:6; Exo.21:23-25 cf. Heb.13:12). Jesus Christ had to bypass ordinary human conception and be Virgin Born because the blood of man is sinful (polluted) before God. If Jesus was born by ordinary human conception, He would surely be “shapen in iniquity; and in sin” (Psa.51:5). Then the work to redeem mankind would fail, for God requires only PURE innocent BLOOD.

In the Old Testament, God required the innocent blood of certain animals to be shed for the atonement of the soul. Read Leviticus 17:10-14. The BLOOD of Jesus Christ must need be INNOCENT to be accepted for the atonement of our souls (Mat.27:4; Eph.2:13; Rom.3:24, 25; 1Jhn.1:7).

BLASPHEMOUS TEACHING: Some denominational preachers are treading on dangerous ground in teaching the people to believe that Jesus was born of Mary's egg and God's spermatozoon. They believe that to be so because Jesus was a GOD-MAN, prophetically recognized as the “seed of the woman”, and had an earthly genealogy as well; and being a God-man He had to be born of a sperm cell from God and an egg from Mary. Now, if this be true, then Jesus the Christ was in sinful flesh instead of being “in the likeness of sinful flesh” to be made sin for us (Rom.8:3; 2Cor.5:21). He would then be born a sinner because every man born into the world is a sinner by reason of the Fall which took place in the Garden of Eden. Thus, if Mary's egg was involved in the creation of the Body of Jesus, then Jesus had a sinful nature.

However, that certainly was not so! The Body of Jesus, a body of a man, was the very creation of God. God created both the sperm cell and the egg cell, and overshadowing Mary, planted the fertilized Seed in her womb. Mary, blessed of the Lord, was appointed as the mother to bring the Saviour into the world. As a mother she was to cradle, suckle and nurture the Holy One. The theological term “seed of the woman” is derived from such Scriptural verses as Genesis 3:15 and Isaiah 7:14. It refers to a conception not of man but of God (Luk.1:31,32,34,35).

Not only was Mary's egg not involved in the creation of the Body of Jesus, her sinful blood also did not contaminate the BLOOD of Jesus while He was a baby in her womb. (The baby in the womb of its mother has his own blood circulatory system. The mother's blood does not pass through the placenta into the baby's blood.)

So we see then that the whole genetics belonged to God alone. God had caused Jesus to be virgin born for a purpose: that His Blood might be Pure and Sinless in order to redeem mankind. It was totally a new creation, so to speak, to bring about a “new heart” and a “new spirit” for the repentant souls as prophesied in Ezekiel 36:26-27. Jesus Christ was God's ultimate conception in the Master Plan of God.

And because of the prophecies and promises of God as spoken through His prophets, God provided the genealogical records to correctly identify the Saviour. That's the purpose of the genealogy of Jesus Christ.

Please gothrough it and submit your valuable comments.
Thanks and peace to you
Adam

[NickHassan]

Hi GM,
Who is this demigod you expect us to follow?
Jesus was a man a real ordinary man.

He overcame sin in the flesh that we might see the way.

[gollamudi]

So brother Nick the same anology I have related to Arianism earlier stating that a preexisting spirit being entering the womb of Mary is still a myth to Judaism.

[NickHassan]

Hi GM,
Judaism is relevant?

[gollamudi]

Because Judaism is the key to understand monotheism of the Bible.

[NickHassan]

Hi MK,
If you deny the virgin birth then you deny the veracity of scripture.
God needed Mary to be a virgin to prove His parentage against possible other claims.

[meerkat]

Nick,

I don't believe in the complete inerrancy of the scripture (I believe they are mostly reliable) – there are obviously things amiss with some of the scripture we have in that you can take some of the scriptures to support the trinity and a lot more of the scriptures to support NO trinity – somewhere along the way a few pieces of scripture have been tweaked to reflect dogma that 1st, 2nd,3rd,4th, etc century theologians wanted to promote.

I don't think that God does need to prove anything to us but he does reveal His plans to us through his prophets

Amo 3:7Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.

[NickHassan]

HI MK,
Are the words of the prophets reliable?
What of Jesus Christ?

You will meet many who have more faith in their own.

[meerkat]

Nick,

How can Jesus be a real ordinary human being if his father was the Holy Spirit  – I believe that the trinity doctrine needed for there to be a virgin birth because for Jesus to be God the Son he could not have a mortal father, and a follow on of that is Mary needed to be sinless as well (hence the Roman Catholic immaculate virgin Mary).

[meerkat]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 09 2008,17:42)

HI MK, Are the words of the prophets reliable? What of Jesus Christ?   You will meet many who have more faith in their own.

Jer 8:8How do ye say, We [are] wise, and the law of the LORD [is] with us? Lo, certainly in vain made he [it]; the pen of the scribes [is] in vain.

The word vain means
H8267
שׁקר
sheqer
sheh'-ker
From H8266; an untruth; by implication a sham (often adverbially): – without a cause, deceit (-ful), false (-hood, -ly), feignedly, liar, + lie, lying, vain (thing), wrongfully.

Also 2 Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

What legacy have they left?

As I said I believe most is reliable.

[NickHassan]

Hi MK,
Why believe these words if none are proven true?
I agree scripture is truth and God shows us what adjustments men have made.

[Jodi]

Quote (meerkat @ Dec. 08 2008,23:18)

Nick, How can Jesus be a real ordinary human being if his father was the Holy Spirit – I believe that the trinity doctrine needed for there to be a virgin birth because for Jesus to be God the Son he could not have a mortal father, and a follow on of that is Mary needed to be sinless as well (hence the Roman Catholic immaculate virgin Mary).

Hi Meerkat,

I believe this is very possible too, that the text was altered to make Mary have a miraculous virgin birth.

I also think it's MORE then likely the Roman Catholic Church destroyed the original biblical texts.

[GeneBalthrop]

Jodi……i agree there are many things that have been altered to push the false teaching of the Trinity. The book on,( Misquoting Jesus) Show many alteration and addition that have been put in our bibles by the Trinitarian influences over time, Very good book.

love and peace to you and yours………………………..gene

[NickHassan]

GB,
Sadly such an approach causes many to attack scripture when it throws light on their own foolish doctrines.

[NickHassan]

Hi,
If someone rightly rejects teachings such as trinity as being unscriptural how can they reject the virgin birth if it is scriptural? No evidence of any quality has been produced to prove it was added to scripture.

Scripture is not a punching bag to be used to justify our stance when it serves us.

If we treat scripture like that then who is our real god?

[meerkat]

Nick

The Messiah was promised to be of the SEED of his Father David – then when you get to the NT he is the son of Mary and the Holy Ghost and we are told that he is the adopted son of Joseph – is there not a conflict here

[NickHassan]

Hi mk,
The lack is always in us.
If God says so it is true, but we have to work out how, if we can.
It is not always possible but understanding is not as important as trust anyway.[2 Peter3.15f]

[meerkat]

1 Jn 2:27 1Jo 2:27But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

2 Th 2:10 2Th 2:10And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

2Th 2:11And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

john 16:3 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, [that] shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

[NickHassan]

Hi MK,
Yes many assume this is true for them.
But the work of the Spirit is to remind us of what is written.
The Spirit does not teach new things because he does not speak of His own initiative.[jn14-16]

We must be careful to remain within the teachings of Christ[2Jn9]

[meerkat]

Nick,

Yes I agree and it cuts both ways – YOU need to be wary about seaching scripture to support theology.

God has said it will be Davids SEED that will produce the Messiah, God raised Jesus from the dead BY THE HOLY SPIRIT

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