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  • #371036
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    Since we have an avid Urantiaoligist in our midst, I decided to google, 'Urantia errors' and found this document. I have only read 2 pages however.

    http://www.urantology.org/cmsdocs/Errors%20in%20the%20Science.pdf

    #381315
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    Quote (t8 @ Feb. 12 2014,14:09)
    Since we have an avid Urantiaoligist in our midst, I decided to google, 'Urantia errors' and found this document. I have only read 2 pages however.

    http://www.urantology.org/cmsdocs/Errors%20in%20the%20Science.pdf


    Ken is a reader, if you had read further in his paper you would know that some things have been substantiated.

    The revelators already told us there would be apparent errors in the science:

    The Limitations of Revelation

    (1109.2) 101:4.1 Because your world is generally ignorant of origins, even of physical origins, it has appeared to be wise from time to time to provide instruction in cosmology. And always has this made trouble for the future. The laws of revelation hamper us greatly by their proscription of the impartation of unearned or premature knowledge. Any cosmology presented as a part of revealed religion is destined to be outgrown in a very short time. Accordingly, future students of such a revelation are tempted to discard any element of genuine religious truth it may contain because they discover errors on the face of the associated cosmologies therein presented.

    (1109.3) 101:4.2 Mankind should understand that we who participate in the revelation of truth are very rigorously limited by the instructions of our superiors. We are not at liberty to anticipate the scientific discoveries of a thousand years. Revelators must act in accordance with the instructions which form a part of the revelation mandate. We see no way of overcoming this difficulty, either now or at any future time. We full well know that, while the historic facts and religious truths of this series of revelatory presentations will stand on the records of the ages to come, within a few short years many of our statements regarding the physical sciences will stand in need of revision in consequence of additional scientific developments and new discoveries. These new developments we even now foresee, but we are forbidden to include such humanly undiscovered facts in the revelatory records. Let it be made clear that revelations are not necessarily inspired. The cosmology of these revelations is not inspired. It is limited by our permission for the co-ordination and sorting of present-day knowledge. While divine or spiritual insight is a gift, human wisdom must evolve.

    (1109.4) 101:4.3 Truth is always a revelation: autorevelation when it emerges as a result of the work of the indwelling Adjuster; epochal revelation when it is presented by the function of some other celestial agency, group, or personality.

    (1109.5) 101:4.4 In the last analysis, religion is to be judged by its fruits, according to the manner and the extent to which it exhibits its own inherent and divine excellence.

    (1109.6) 101:4.5 Truth may be but relatively inspired, even though revelation is invariably a spiritual phenomenon. While statements with reference to cosmology are never inspired, such revelations are of immense value in that they at least transiently clarify knowledge by:

    (1109.7) 101:4.6 1. The reduction of confusion by the authoritative elimination of error.

    (1109.8) 101:4.7 2. The co-ordination of known or about-to-be-known facts and observations.

    (1110.1) 101:4.8 3. The restoration of important bits of lost knowledge concerning epochal transactions in the distant past.

    (1110.2) 101:4.9 4. The supplying of information which will fill in vital missing gaps in otherwise earned knowledge.

    (1110.3) 101:4.10 5. Presenting cosmic data in such a manner as to illuminate the spiritual teachings contained in the accompanying revelation.

    #381531
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    Page 657.
    “Such gravitational influences also contribute to the stabilization
    of planetary orbits while acting as a brake on the rate of planetary-axial
    revolution, causing a planet to revolve ever slower until axial revolution
    ceases, leaving one hemisphere of the planet always turned toward the sun or
    larger body, as is illustrated by the planet Mercury and by the moon, which
    always turns the same face toward Urantia.”

    Comment:
    In the late 19th century it was concluded that Mercury was in
    synchronous rotation exactly equal to its year of 88 Earth days. Thus there
    would be a dark side always facing away from the Sun. This was brought into
    question in the 1960’s when observations indicated the ‘dark’ side was much
    hotter than it should be. A final answer came in 1974 from photographs taken by the spacecraft Mariner from which the rotational period was shown to be
    58.646 Earth days—hence for Mercury there is no permanently dark side.3

    http://www.urantology.org/

    #381551
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    Early Migration to Britain Summary
    [7/31/08]

    “The Ancient Human Occupation of Britain project (“AHOB project”) was launched in 2001 to revitalize the study of ancient archaeological sites in Britain. By 2005 AHOB researchers were able to establish that primitive man occupied Britain 700,000 years ago. This discovery came as quite a surprise the archaeological community. Prior to this recent development, the evidence for early human habitation only went back 500,000 years.

    The Urantia Book, published in 1955, states that human habitation of Britain began approximately 900,000 years ago. Noting that there used to be a land bridge between Britain and France, it also remarks that, even though most of the evidence of human occupation is now submerged in the English Channel, there are still several sites near the coast bearing evidence of this early occupation. This is where recent discoveries have been made that push back the date of human habitation by 200,000 years. Additional work by the AHOB project is increasingly lending support to this aspect of The Urantia Book’s account of early human history. It is anticipated that this report will need to be updated numerous times in the next several years as the AHOB team continues to make new discoveries.”

    #381552
    Spock
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    Vikings Summary
    [Updated 1/30/08]

    “The Urantia Book states that the Native Americans of North America did not come in contact with the white Europeans until about 1000 A.D. When it was published in 1955, this was a contested issue because no artifacts or other physical evidence of the presence of the white race in the Americas existed from this time period. The story of Christopher Columbus discovering America in 1492 was the predominant theory.

    A small minority of scholars professed a belief, based on writings from around 1300 A.D., that the Vikings landed in North America around 1000 A.D. When a Viking settlement was excavated at L'Anse aux Meadows in Newfoundland, Canada in the 1960's, the issue was finally put to rest. There is now extensive archeological evidence from numerous sites that the Vikings arrived in North America around 1000 A.D and were in contact with the Native Americans.”

    #381553
    Spock
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    Inner Ionosphere Summary
    [Updated 4/13/07]

    “In discussing earth's atmosphere, The Urantia Book states the following, “The lower five or six miles of the earth's atmosphere is the troposphere; this is the region of winds and air currents which provide weather phenomena. Above this region is the inner ionosphere and next above is the stratosphere.” Urantia Book enthusiasts and critics alike have long considered this statement to be a mistake because the longstanding understanding of the earth's atmosphere has been that the ionosphere exists above the stratosphere.

    However, in the late 1980's and early 1990's, over thirty years after The Urantia Book's publication, observation of “blue jets” were conclusively documented and accepted as an atmospheric condition. Notwithstanding that this phenomenon is still not well understood, what has been learned about blue jets indicates that there must be an ionospheric layer below the stratosphere. Blue jets form above thunderclouds and often reach a height of about 25 miles above sea level. The long-recognized ionosphere, which exists above the stratosphere, begins at around 30 miles above sea level.

    Calculations based on videos taken of blue jets, as well as other associated research, indicate that the ionic condition necessary to create their luminescent quality could not have its source in the thunderclouds over which they occur.”

    #381581
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    What about the planet Mercury? Seems to me that they took discoveries in that time and called them revelation. And the preposterous stuff that happened billions of years a ago or whatever are too hard to prove. Like Atheists they both hide behind huge amounts of time and make statements that no one can prove or disprove.

    Explain to me the text about Mercury because the Uranatiatopia espouses an idea that was accepted in that time, but disproved later. What does this tell you?

    #381584
    Spock
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    Quote (t8 @ May 10 2014,21:28)
    What about the planet Mercury? Seems to me that they took discoveries in that time and called them revelation. And the preposterous stuff that happened billions of years a ago or whatever are too hard to prove. Like Atheists they both hide behind huge amounts of time and make statements that no one can prove or disprove.

    Explain to me the text about Mercury because the Uranatiatopia espouses an idea that was accepted in that time, but disproved later. What does this tell you?


    This is a summery in response to this controversy:

    “The Urantia Book states that tidal friction causes the axial rotation of heavenly bodies to slow to a stop (relative to the body around which they revolve) and cites Mercury and the moon as examples. It has long been well established that the rotation of the moon has stopped, and it was also believed at the time of publication (1955) that Mercury's rotation had ceased. Though the widely held belief at the time of The Urantia Book’s publication was that Mercury had stopped rotating, when The Urantia Book addressed the subject of tidal friction slowing orbiting bodies to a stop, it did not state that Mercury had stopped and only portrayed the moon as a body that had stopped rotating due to tidal friction. In 1965 we learned that Mercury does have a slow rotation. The Urantia Book avoided the trap of agreeing with science that was wrong, but widely accepted, at the time of its publication.”

    Read Mercury's Rotation Report…
    Mercury's Rotation Report

    #381585
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    t8, I posted a clip at the top of this page from the UB that explains the “revelation mandate.”

    * in the UB community we are well aware of the apparent errors in the science that the revelators were confined to using on their mission.

    * we are aware of science that was not credible in 1955, but has been proven to be consistent with new discoveries.

    * we are aware of statements that cannot be verified at this time.

    * most importantly we are aware of the spiritual truth content and the historical explanation that greatly illuminates things mentioned in the scriptures.

    I noticed you googled “errors” in the UB, but not truths. Do you take the same approach to the Bible. ???

    #382557
    Charity
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    Where is the celtibeirian summary colter?
    :)

    #382566
    Spock
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    Quote (Mary @ May 16 2014,17:41)
    Where is the celtibeirian summary colter?  
    :)


    :)

    #415625
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    @Colter
    I noticed you googled “errors” in the UB, but not truths. Do you take the same approach to the Bible.

    When approaching a new subject it is sometimes easier to disprove it and that saves time having to read all the stuff they claim is right. Process of elimination.

    I can google the same search terms for the Bible and I am aware of what people consider as error in the Bible. I have looked into most of these and am satisfied that they are not errors at all. But I concede that there are translation errors present, but these are understandable.

    #416580
    seekingtruth
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    @T8
    disprove it and that saves time having to read all the stuff they claim is right

    Even a broken clock is right twice a day

    Just so I’m not misunderstood the overriding fact that the clock is broke leads one to discount that occasionally it’s right

    #423361
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    Well put seekingtruth.

    #509492
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    Same go’s for the list of so called errors in the UB. I’ve read both the bible and the UB, the bible starts out with mixed up stories, God aborting the world etc.

    #509495
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    Men depart the truth for myths because they like the myth better. It is cooler in their view.

    Nearly every person I have met that follows after myths have a problem with God.

    #509588
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    Men fear confronting the false accusations written about God by the self important Jews because they are moral cowards, biblical idolatry is a “safe” place to hide. Besides, the Hebrew priest made no claim of divine inspiration when they rewrote the OT books in Babylon, converting secular history into a miraculous fiction. Myself, I have a wonderful relationship with a living, loving God. I just have an issue with the concept of God created in the image of the Semitic men who carried out those atrocities, which were later justified by the victors. But every race and culture sees God as their leader in battle.

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