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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 19 2007,06:13) Hi kc,
You realise that the book of Paul were written to the saved so when he says ALL he means all of them?
NHBy the way, Eternal punishment is one of those doctrines of “The Great Whore”, the Catholics.
So it seems that you have been hypocritical in calling Trinitarians out for following “her doctrines”.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 19 2007,06:13) Hi kc,
You realise that the book of Paul were written to the saved so when he says ALL he means all of them?
Ro.15:16…for me (Paul) to be the minister of Jesus Christ for the nations (gentiles), …Paul was for the Nations, not just the “saved”.
Hi KC,
Did Paul just minister to the dead gentiles or bring those who responded to the message to Christ and in the power of the Spirit them to life in Christ and then bandage their wounds and help them walk on the path?
Watch him working in Athens in Acts 17 and see how many responded. Such is the way of God.
God respects the will of men to choose to obey or reject His plan.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 19 2007,20:32) Hi KC,
Did Paul just minister to the dead gentiles or bring those who responded to the message to Christ and in the power of the Spirit them to life in Christ and then bandage their wounds and help them walk on the path?
Watch him working in Athens in Acts 17 and see how many responded. Such is the way of God.
God respects the will of men to choose to obey or reject His plan.
God respects the will of men? Now those who are in the flesh are not able to please God. (Ro.8;8)
…to choose? For God locks up ALL together in stubbornness, that He should be merciful to ALL. Ro.11:32
Free will is part of the apostacy, as is the trinity.Blessings, Jerry.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 20 2007,01:35) Hi Jerry,
A very popular man you will be with such a doctrine. Good luck.
Hi Nick, not my doctrine, I quoted from scripture.Jerry.
Hi Jerry,
We meet with a lot of folk walking in very different directions all quoting scripture as they pass.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 20 2007,01:50) Hi Jerry,
We meet with a lot of folk walking in very different directions all quoting scripture as they pass.
Hi Nick, I agree with you there, I enjoy exchanging opinions with you, I feel you are very zealous for God. I do realize that I am one of a very small group that believes in the salvation of all, never-the-less I can't help what I believe. I think that the scriptures, correctly cut, say that.God Bless, Jerry.
Hi kc,
here is Jesus in Jn 3 having a chat with Nicodemus.1There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:2The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.
3Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
8The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
9Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be?
10Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?
11Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.
12If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?
13And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
14And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
15That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
Was he just having a chinwag or was he telling Nicodemus things that were vital to his future?
Hi Nick, interesting scripture you quote.
Nicodemus did not understand the Lords words, he takes literally what is figurative. He should have known from the prophet Ezekiel that Isreal could not enter the kingdom without a new spirit (Eze.36:26). Spiritual regeneration is required and must be aquired to enter the kingdom. All that he concidered vital was physical relationship with the favoured nation. The evangel is always concerned with God and His Christ, never with man and his needs or effort. The new birth is not an evangel in any sense. It makes a demand he has no means of meeting. Man cannot accomplish spiritual regeneration, it is the sovereign work of God's Spirit.
Blessings, Jerry.Hi Nick, The usefull end is that we will all know good. The purpose of Gods plan is that mankind know how good and loving our creator is. He put the tree of the knowledge of good and evil in the garden with the intention that Adam and Eve would disobey and eat the fruit, thus enable them to know good. All knowledge of good cannot be understood except that we experience evil. We would never understand light unless we experience darkness, nor would we appreciate good health, wellness, unless we experienced sickness, knowlegde of natural law comes by experiencing opposites. In Genesis3:22…Then the Lord God said, “behold, the man has become like one of Us, to know good and evil”. Before that they only experienced good, they were in paradise, they never realised how good they had it, because there was nothing to compare it too. God wants us to know good, the loving kindness He will bestow on us at the consummation, the completion of His creation. Gods ways are not our ways, His ways are so far above ours we fail to see His plan. When all is done, all will realise His blessings, He will be All in all.
Blessings, Jerry.Hi Jerry,
What of satan, the beast, the false prophet-these are shown in the fire.
Why would Jesus show us Lk 16?Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 20 2007,06:53) Hi Jerry,
What of satan, the beast, the false prophet-these are shown in the fire.
Why would Jesus show us Lk 16?
Hi Nick, sorry to be so late answering, we must be in very different time zones, I went to bed right after my last letter.
I'm not sure which part of Lk. 16 you were refering to. You were asking about satan, the beast, and the false prophet being thrown into the lake of fire?
I'm not sure how to answer, pehaps I can make these comments…Isaiah 46:10…All My council shall be confirmed,
and all My desire will I do.
46:11…Indeed, I speak! indeed I will bring
it about!
This should make it quite clear that God can and will do anything He wants to.
Isaiah 54:16…And I, I created the ruiner to destroy.
This says that God created satan,
Proverbs 16:14…Yahweh has made everthing for its own pertinet end, Yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.
This says that God makes the wicked.
It is so true when the scriptures say, ALL IS OF GOD.
You see, everything is predestined Eph.1:11 …being designated beforehand according to the pupose of the One Who is operating all in accord with the councel of His will. All is like a play, God is the author, we are the actors. We do not have 'free will' like orthodoxy preaches, but Gods will is done. I think I've said enough for now, but if you will please look at the work of “The Concordant Publishing Concern”, they have a websight “Concordant.org” which has an excellent source of information that I believe is the truth regarding God's Word.
Blessings, Jerry.Hi WJ, you say:
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I agree with you, but if it is Gods body and Jesus is the head of the Body which also is his Body{Body of Christ}, and we have been made to drink into the “ONE Spirit” which is Christ Spirit, then that would make Christ God!
BUT NO, I DON'T AGREE WITH YOU WJ:
Jesus is God's Only begotten Son and His Christ. He is the head of his body. He is the head and we who are born again Christians are the branches or members of his body. He is the anointed Word of God, and he lives in us through his Word which is his spirit. Gal. 2:20 states: “I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ (the anointed Word of God) liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh, I live by faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me”. The Spirit of God the Father, the Holy Ghost which is eternal life, dwells in Jesus and if us also if we have been born again and are striving to obey the commandments that have come to us from God through Jesus. “The last Adam was made a quickening (life-giving) spirit”. (1 Co. 15:45)
God is a living person and he can be everywhere by his Spirit. Jesus is also a living person because He obeyed God's Word, the Word came from God Jesus did not initiate it, without sin even unto death on the cross. “Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead (God raised him from the dead by His Spirit) dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him”. (Rom. 6:9)
“But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ (He is the head of the body); and the head of the woman is man; AND THE HEAD OF CHRIST IS GOD”. (1 Co. 11:3)
I don't understand why this is so difficult to understand. Jesus did not say that he is God otherwise he would be contdradicting what God said about him in Matthew 16:13-17.
I desire God's very best for you and your family.
Quote (Kupchuk @ Mar. 20 2007,23:20) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 20 2007,06:53) Hi Jerry,
What of satan, the beast, the false prophet-these are shown in the fire.
Why would Jesus show us Lk 16?
Hi Nick, sorry to be so late answering, we must be in very different time zones, I went to bed right after my last letter.
I'm not sure which part of Lk. 16 you were refering to. You were asking about satan, the beast, and the false prophet being thrown into the lake of fire?
I'm not sure how to answer, pehaps I can make these comments…Isaiah 46:10…All My council shall be confirmed,
and all My desire will I do.
46:11…Indeed, I speak! indeed I will bring
it about!
This should make it quite clear that God can and will do anything He wants to.
Isaiah 54:16…And I, I created the ruiner to destroy.
This says that God created satan,
Proverbs 16:14…Yahweh has made everthing for its own pertinet end, Yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.
This says that God makes the wicked.
It is so true when the scriptures say, ALL IS OF GOD.
You see, everything is predestined Eph.1:11 …being designated beforehand according to the pupose of the One Who is operating all in accord with the councel of His will. All is like a play, God is the author, we are the actors. We do not have 'free will' like orthodoxy preaches, but Gods will is done. I think I've said enough for now, but if you will please look at the work of “The Concordant Publishing Concern”, they have a websight “Concordant.org” which has an excellent source of information that I believe is the truth regarding God's Word.
Blessings, Jerry.
Hi kc,
You ask about Lk 16
23″In Hades he lifted up his eyes, being in torment, and saw Abraham far away and Lazarus in his bosom.24″And he cried out and said, 'Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus so that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool off my tongue, for I am in agony in this flame.'
25″But Abraham said, 'Child, remember that during your life you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus bad things; but now he is being comforted here, and you are in agony.
26'And besides all this, between us and you there is a great chasm fixed, so that those who wish to come over from here to you will not be able, and that none may cross over from there to us.'
27″And he said, 'Then I beg you, father, that you send him to my father's house–
28for I have five brothers–in order that he may warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.'
So this is not the lake of fire but only the place of waiting , Hades, which is later thrown into the lake. Even this does not look like a barrow full of laughs. But then you say all are forgiven… Voila!
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 21 2007,02:21) Quote (Kupchuk @ Mar. 20 2007,23:20) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 20 2007,06:53) Hi Jerry,
What of satan, the beast, the false prophet-these are shown in the fire.
Why would Jesus show us Lk 16?
Hi Nick, sorry to be so late answering, we must be in very different time zones, I went to bed right after my last letter.
I'm not sure which part of Lk. 16 you were refering to. You were asking about satan, the beast, and the false prophet being thrown into the lake of fire?
I'm not sure how to answer, pehaps I can make these comments…Isaiah 46:10…All My council shall be confirmed,
and all My desire will I do.
46:11…Indeed, I speak! indeed I will bring
it about!
This should make it quite clear that God can and will do anything He wants to.
Isaiah 54:16…And I, I created the ruiner to destroy.
This says that God created satan,
Proverbs 16:14…Yahweh has made everthing for its own pertinet end, Yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.
This says that God makes the wicked.
It is so true when the scriptures say, ALL IS OF GOD.
You see, everything is predestined Eph.1:11 …being designated beforehand according to the pupose of the One Who is operating all in accord with the councel of His will. All is like a play, God is the author, we are the actors. We do not have 'free will' like orthodoxy preaches, but Gods will is done. I think I've said enough for now, but if you will please look at the work of “The Concordant Publishing Concern”, they have a websight “Concordant.org” which has an excellent source of information that I believe is the truth regarding God's Word.
Blessings, Jerry.
Hi kc,
You ask about Lk 16
23″In Hades he lifted up his eyes, being in torment, and saw Abraham far away and Lazarus in his bosom.24″And he cried out and said, 'Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus so that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool off my tongue, for I am in agony in this flame.'
25″But Abraham said, 'Child, remember that during your life you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus bad things; but now he is being comforted here, and you are in agony.
26'And besides all this, between us and you there is a great chasm fixed, so that those who wish to come over from here to you will not be able, and that none may cross over from there to us.'
27″And he said, 'Then I beg you, father, that you send him to my father's house–
28for I have five brothers–in order that he may warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.'
So this is not the lake of fire but only the place of waiting , Hades, which is later thrown into the lake. Even this does not look like a barrow full of laughs. But then you say all are forgiven… Voila!
The message was based on the Lord's ressurection from the dead. Those recieving the five-fold testamony correspond to the five brethern. Yet, even as the Lord fortold, they did not as a nation, repent. Some of their sufferings, until the terrible tragedy of the siege of Jerusalem, are recounted by Josephus. To this very day the Jew is being tormented in the flames of national hatred. But the time of thier restoration is drawing near (Ro.11) But before their torment ceases it will be much intensified in the terror of the greatest of all Jewish persecutions.Hi kc,
So nothing like Hades? Funny Jesus did not say so. Abraham's bosom just another myth I suppose?Hi Nick, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. We'll find out when we will be with the Lord.
Bye for now, Jerry.
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