Universal Salvation

[NickHassan]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 15 2007,23:50)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 15 2007,22:39) Hi W, The Spirit of God manifests God in the sons of God and as the episode in Acts 5 shows must be treated with the same respect as God Himself. But God is in heaven and His spirit is as His  FINGER reaching out to help men. NH From your view God must be disfigured for if his “Body” (which of course he is Spirit), is bigger than the universe and his finger lives in me(of course there is no scripture that says such nonsense). Where is the scripture that says the finger of God lives in me? Are you making inferrence and denying a boat load of scripture that says God is in us? Man made doctrines, believe the scriptures my friend.

Hi W,
God is not said to have a body.
God is a spirit being.

[TimothyVI]

Quote (kenrch @ Mar. 16 2007,01:30)

Rev 13:7  And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. Rev 13:8  And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. “And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him,… Taken in context “him” in verse 8 is the antichrist that's why the people on the earth “whose names are not written in the book of life” worship him (the antichrist) Right?

Hi Ken,

You are correct. For satan is the lord of this world.
But in the end, “Rom 14:11 For it is written, [As] I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.”

Every knee will bow to Jesus and confess Him God.

Tim

[TimothyVI]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 15 2007,23:48)

Hi Tim, Knowing is not ” knowing of.” It would give men an excuse perhaps if they had not heard of Jesus. Rom 1 “18For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; 19Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. 20For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: 21Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

Hi Nick,

I have always had problems with that particular scripture.
Except for a died in the wool atheist, anyone should be able to see the hand of God in creation. It is too awsome to have come about without God.
However, just recognizing that God created the universe, doesn't necessarily tell you without a doubt, which God did it.

People have worshipped Gods since the beginning of time. But unless the true God is revealed to them, they have to make up gods to worship.

Is it their fault that God chose not to talk to them as He did Moses?

Tim

Tim

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 16 2007,01:49)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 15 2007,23:50) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 15 2007,22:39) Hi W, The Spirit of God manifests God in the sons of God and as the episode in Acts 5 shows must be treated with the same respect as God Himself. But God is in heaven and His spirit is as His  FINGER reaching out to help men. NH From your view God must be disfigured for if his “Body” (which of course he is Spirit), is bigger than the universe and his finger lives in me(of course there is no scripture that says such nonsense). Where is the scripture that says the finger of God lives in me? Are you making inferrence and denying a boat load of scripture that says God is in us? Man made doctrines, believe the scriptures my friend. Hi W, God is not said to have a body. God is a spirit being.

Then how does he have a finger?

Which you are so adament about!

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 16 2007,00:26)

Hi W, you say “Gods Spirit is also his arm and his hands and his feet and his legs and his eyes and his ears!” really? Scripture please,

NH

His Arm

Deut 5:15
And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day.

His Hand

Eze 37:1
The hand of the LORD was upon me, and carried me out in the spirit of the LORD, and set me down in the midst of the valley which [was] full of bones,

His Eyes

Prov 15:3
The eyes of the LORD are in every place, beholding the evil and the good.

Zech 4:10
For who hath despised the day of small things? for they shall rejoice, and shall see the plummet in the hand of Zerubbabel with those seven; they are the eyes of the LORD, which run to and fro through the whole earth.

His Ears

1 Pet 3:12
For the eyes of the Lord are over the righteous, and his ears are open unto their prayers: but the face of the Lord [is] against them that do evil.

His Legs and Feet

2 Cor 6:16
And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Hiow can he do these things. Because he is Spirit, and he sees all and knows all and has all power and can show himself at any time in the way he wants because there is NOTHING to hard for him!

[NickHassan]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 16 2007,18:50)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 16 2007,01:49) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 15 2007,23:50) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 15 2007,22:39) Hi W, The Spirit of God manifests God in the sons of God and as the episode in Acts 5 shows must be treated with the same respect as God Himself. But God is in heaven and His spirit is as His  FINGER reaching out to help men. NH From your view God must be disfigured for if his “Body” (which of course he is Spirit), is bigger than the universe and his finger lives in me(of course there is no scripture that says such nonsense). Where is the scripture that says the finger of God lives in me? Are you making inferrence and denying a boat load of scripture that says God is in us? Man made doctrines, believe the scriptures my friend. Hi W, God is not said to have a body. God is a spirit being. Then how does he have a finger? Which you are so adament about!

Hi W,
How did the rich man see in hades?
God does not need a physical body to minister to us.
But we know no living finger is separate from the person it represents.

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 16 2007,19:40)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 16 2007,18:50) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 16 2007,01:49) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 15 2007,23:50) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 15 2007,22:39) Hi W, The Spirit of God manifests God in the sons of God and as the episode in Acts 5 shows must be treated with the same respect as God Himself. But God is in heaven and His spirit is as His  FINGER reaching out to help men. NH From your view God must be disfigured for if his “Body” (which of course he is Spirit), is bigger than the universe and his finger lives in me(of course there is no scripture that says such nonsense). Where is the scripture that says the finger of God lives in me? Are you making inferrence and denying a boat load of scripture that says God is in us? Man made doctrines, believe the scriptures my friend. Hi W, God is not said to have a body. God is a spirit being. Then how does he have a finger? Which you are so adament about! Hi W, How did the rich man see in hades? God does not need a physical body to minister to us. But we know no living finger is separate from the person it represents.

NH

Are you even reading what I post?

I have been saying all along God is Spirit and you are the one that insist he has body parts!

The reference to a finger is his Spirit of which he is. The reference to a finger is speaking of a measure of the Spirit or power. Did he need his hands that created the universe to cast out a devil? No.

There are no physical parts to God but the hands feet etc is Speaking of a measure of his power. All things are done by the Spirit.

When he sees, hears, talks, holds, walks, or whatever he does he does all by the Spirit, God is that Spirit. “ONE SPIRIT”.

Should be discussed in the Spirit thread!

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 16 2007,19:40)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 16 2007,18:50) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 16 2007,01:49) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 15 2007,23:50) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 15 2007,22:39) Hi W, The Spirit of God manifests God in the sons of God and as the episode in Acts 5 shows must be treated with the same respect as God Himself. But God is in heaven and His spirit is as His  FINGER reaching out to help men. NH From your view God must be disfigured for if his “Body” (which of course he is Spirit), is bigger than the universe and his finger lives in me(of course there is no scripture that says such nonsense). Where is the scripture that says the finger of God lives in me? Are you making inferrence and denying a boat load of scripture that says God is in us? Man made doctrines, believe the scriptures my friend. Hi W, God is not said to have a body. God is a spirit being. Then how does he have a finger? Which you are so adament about! Hi W, How did the rich man see in hades? God does not need a physical body to minister to us. But we know no living finger is separate from the person it represents.

NH

By the way I thought you said humans were not spirits.

So what about the rich man?

[942767]

Hi Nick & WJ:

The body of Christ is God's body in that he dwells in us by His Spirit and his Word.  2 Co. 6:16 which WJ quoted states: “And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols?  for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people”.  “Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God.  He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son”.  (2 John v9)

But of course God is not limited to his body, He a living person who is omnipresent by His Spirit (Psalm 139:7-8), and He is also omnipotent, and omniscient.

God Bless

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (942767 @ Mar. 16 2007,23:00)

Hi Nick & WJ: The body of Christ is God's body in that he dwells in us by His Spirit and his Word.  2 Co. 6:16 which WJ quoted states: “And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols?  for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people”.  “Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God.  He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son”.  (2 John v9) But of course God is not limited to his body, He a living person who is omnipresent by His Spirit (Psalm 139:7-8), and He is also omnipotent, and omniscient. God Bless

94

I agree with you, but if it is Gods body and Jesus is the head of the Body which also is his Body{Body of Christ}, and we have been made to drink into the “ONE Spirit” which is Christ Spirit, then that would make Christ God!

On the other…

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But of course God is not limited to his body, He a living person who is omnipresent by His Spirit (Psalm 139:7-8), and He is also omnipotent, and omniscient.

True, but I have been corrected for using these words on this sight because they are not found in scripture!

Blessings

[NickHassan]

Hi,
God is faithful.
Deuteronomy 7:9
Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations;
1 Corinthians 1:9
God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.
1 Corinthians 10:13
There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.
2Tim 2
” 10Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.

11It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him:

12If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:

13If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself. “

He has bound Himself by His Word.
He will save a remnant

[NickHassan]

Hi,
How can any assume all are saved when we have this warning for those who have ticked the boxes in scripture?
1Cor 10
” 1Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;

2And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;

3And did all eat the same spiritual meat;

4And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

5But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.

6Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.

7Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.

8Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.

9Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.

10Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.

11Now all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.

12Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.

13There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

14Wherefore, my dearly beloved, flee from idolatry.

15I speak as to wise men; judge ye what I say.”

[Kupchuk]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 19 2007,05:01)

Hi, How can any assume all are saved when we have this warning for those who have ticked the boxes in scripture? 1Cor 10 ” 1Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; 2And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; 3And did all eat the same spiritual meat; 4And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ. 5But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness. 6Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted. 7Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play. 8Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand. 9Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents. 10Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer. 11Now all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come. 12Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall. 13There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it. 14Wherefore, my dearly beloved, flee from idolatry. 15I speak as to wise men; judge ye what I say.”

1 Cor.15, 22…For even as, in Adam, all are dying, thus also,in Christ, shall all be vivified.
1Cor.15,28…Now, whenever all may be subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also shall be subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also shall be subjected to Him Who subjects all to Him, that God may be All in all. (not All in some, but ALL in all).
Concordant Literal New Testament.

Please look at web sight “Concordant.org”

[NickHassan]

Hi kc,
You realise that the book of Paul were written to the saved so when he says ALL he means all of them?

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 19 2007,04:51)

Hi, God is faithful. Deuteronomy 7:9 Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations; 1 Corinthians 1:9 God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord. 1 Corinthians 10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it. 2Tim 2 ” 10Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory. 11It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him: 12If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us: 13If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself. “ He has bound Himself by His Word. He will save a remnant

NH

Please show me a scripture where he will only save a remnant!

[NickHassan]

Hi w,
He will only save a remnant of Israel.
Micah 7:18
Who is a God like unto thee, that pardoneth iniquity, and passeth by the transgression of the remnant of his heritage? he retaineth not his anger for ever, because he delighteth in mercy.
Zechariah 8:12
For the seed shall be prosperous; the vine shall give her fruit, and the ground shall give her increase, and the heavens shall give their dew; and I will cause the remnant of this people to possess all these things.
Romans 9:27
Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:
It does not say that about gentiles but instead.
Rom 2
' 11For there is no respect of persons with God.

12For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;

The narrow way is best for all.

[Proclaimer]

The bible says that the wicked shall perish and they will be destroyed forever.

https://heavennet.net/answers/answer26.htm

[TimothyVI]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 19 2007,05:01)

Hi, How can any assume all are saved when we have this warning for those who have ticked the boxes in scripture? 1Cor 10 ” 1Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; 2And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; 3And did all eat the same spiritual meat; 4And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ. 5But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness. 6Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted. 7Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play. 8Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand. 9Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents. 10Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer. 11Now all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come. 12Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall. 13There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it. 14Wherefore, my dearly beloved, flee from idolatry. 15I speak as to wise men; judge ye what I say.”

Hi Nick,

None of that says anything about eternal torture.

Tim

[TimothyVI]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 19 2007,07:54)

Who is a God like unto thee, that pardoneth iniquity, and passeth by the transgression of the remnant of his heritage? he retaineth not his anger for ever, because he delighteth in mercy.

Hi Nick,

If God retaineth not his anger forever, why would he torture anyone forever?
Is it mercy to burn billions of souls for ever?

Tim

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 19 2007,07:54)

Hi w, He will only save a remnant of Israel. Micah 7:18 Who is a God like unto thee, that pardoneth iniquity, and passeth by the transgression of the remnant of his heritage? he retaineth not his anger for ever, because he delighteth in mercy. Zechariah 8:12 For the seed shall be prosperous; the vine shall give her fruit, and the ground shall give her increase, and the heavens shall give their dew; and I will cause the remnant of this people to possess all these things. Romans 9:27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved: It does not say that about gentiles but instead. Rom 2 ' 11For there is no respect of persons with God. 12For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; The narrow way is best for all.

NH

The scriptures you quote for remnant are for Israel.

But we also know that **ALL** Israel shall be saved!

God has always reserved a remnant for himself, the called out from the called, just as the “Ten virgins”, there were five wise and five foolish, but they were all virgins!

If billions of souls are gonna plunge into an blazing inferno forever and ever to suffer, while only a few are saved, then to me that would mean that our God has failed and his word is not true when he says “nothing is impossible to him, nor is anything to hard for him”!

If our God is a God of Love and mercy and it is possible to save all, (which it is because Jesus paid the price for all), then he will save all!

Jesus left the 99 to save the One. Thats 100%.

Phil 3:21
Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

Col 1:20
And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, , whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

1 Cor 15:28
And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

You see NH every knee shall bow and every tongue confess and be saved!

Rev 21
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; (remember hell is in the center of the earth) and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

NH. How could anyone enjoy heaven if they knew their loved ones were somewhere in the new universe in torment and agony forever and ever?

There will be no more sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

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